'Homegrowns are next': Trump doubles down on sending American 'criminals' to foreign prisons
'Homegrowns are next': Trump doubles down on sending American 'criminals' to foreign prisons
We knew they wanted to go in a fascist direction, but I doubt many of us imagined they'd have the concentration camps up and running within three months. Bukele says he won't return anyone, even if innocent, from this prison in El Salvador, and the director of the prison says that no one who goes in will ever return to their community. So how do you keep shipping prisoners into a camp without any of them coming out, and without the camp filling up? Maybe we're further along with the Nazi program than most people realize.
We're on pace with Nazi Germany. If you use that as a template you'll expect:
Now a lot can change between now and then and Trump isn't a young guy, but that's the blueprint to watch.
You want to talk about concentration camps? We're already expanding our own Black Site.
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
Our most famous black site, Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120, but that's about to change. HitlerPig has already signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 billion contract has been awarded. This will be in a remote corner of an island controlled by a hostile enemy, far out of the prying view of the courts, or the media. Anything could happen there, and nobody at home would ever known about it.
So they are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That's nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is already about 8 times larger than average. Clearly, they are intending to incarcerate far many people that they already do. I wonder who those people will be?
Perhaps the most worrisome piece of news is this: It is expected to be finished in 2030. Why would HitlerPig commit to such a facility if he wasnt going to be able to use it? Perhaps he expects to still be in power in 2030.
We're much further ahead than them. Unlike Nazi Germany we're already the world's undisputed hegemon and all of the world's most advanced economies are aligned w us.
Even though some are starting to learn to regret it; they're still more skeptical of China or Russia than they are of us and our military presence within their borders and their dependence on our financial system ensures that they won't stray unless the bombs literally start flying and, by then, it'll be too late.
Did you account for how much faster everything is happening? He's only been in office for nearly three months.
No. No I’m not allowing “I doubt many people knew this would happen” no. Plenty of us did nothing but scream for decades. You shooed us away. You sided with them because we were inconvenient to you.
You're saying "you" to the people that were shouting it. You're shouting into an echo chamber. Maybe go say it to them
I mean even people who were screaming didn't think American democracy would start falling this quickly. I mean did you expect him to start arresting dissenters within a month and a half of his inauguration?
Some of are still screaming and being unheard.
Plenty of us did nothing
excuse me for trying to save our democracy from tankies that were trying to delegitimize it
I will say, even despite me being the one constantly yelling about the incoming american fascism, I also though it'd take at least a little longer
But here we are, with most institutions and companies just rolling over. Sure, I figured it would happen, but I at least thought it'd take more than a year. Not.. 3 months
It's.. I lack words, even. This is straight up nazi Germany, except we have the hindsight of history, and yet it's still all for naught. Incredibly incredibly scary
wtf has everyone been doing the last decade to not see this coming
No, not quite "won't return anyone even if they're innocent". It's more old-school witch hunt circular logic than that. It's "if they're in the prison, it's because they're a terrorist, and I will never let a terrorist free".
Isn’t Trump a convicted criminal? There would be a lot of happier people if they just sent him to El Salvador.
It's not for people who were convicted. No due process allowed.
I thought Trump was expanding it to everyone. Probably including people in other countries he doesn’t like.
This is getting out of hand
With none of that pesky due process to determine who these "criminals" are I suppose.
This is already what has been happening. No "suppose" about it.
Yes. That's literally the only reason why you would do it.
No need to worry about that. Daddy Trump will just tell us who the criminals are!
Thank fuck i dont live in that shit hole
Please send help
We need to help ourselves.
my reddit account of 11 years got permabanned last week for saying something similar
Badge of honor
Imagine, I used to regularly be thankful I wasn't a USA citizen before 2016. Now it comes to mind multiple times a day.
Yeah, that makes me happy too.
Honestly I've never felt as grateful to be in Canada than I do now. But we are potentially in for some serious trouble soon too. Election in like 2 weeks and it's stressful af
And of course we will never see these people again. This is so blatently illegal its fucking mind blowing.
47 doesn't GaF. He's already ignoring UNANIMOUS scotus rulings. The law has failed. Nobody in power is willing to enforce anything.
He *IS" a convicted, homegrown, American criminal himself! Literally.
Sure, the dems deserve it just like a woman deserves what she gets for wearing that revealing dress in that bar, right? Because that's what you are doing. Blaming the victims.
Instead of blaming the Republican party and people who didn't vote, you make fun of the only people who tried to stop them. Which tells us all exactly the type of person you are.
Someone who would rather make fun of "THE DEMS" instead of Trump and the Republican party. You're the problem, not "the dems".
at what point is this not just a reactionary coup - the president's complete disregard of the Supreme Court's ruling and the Constitution means the United States of America is over, no? I mean, whatever this government is, it's no longer operating by the fundamental rules and laws that established this country, that define this government - this is a new, autocratic government operating by different rules.
Does anyone else feel so un-motivated at work ever since Trump became president? I can't sleep sometimes with the anxiety. I don't even want to try to be anything in this American society anymore if it means a criminal can be President. What's the point? Bad always wins. Good always suffers.
2020 i woke up every morning expecting to see a mushroom cloud over the nearest city. Every. Single. Morning.
My depression has depression at this point.
Americans, either fix your shit, or start thinking about how to get out, before the big beautiful wall keeps you in.
The existential threat is real, but also entirely unnecessary and avoidable.
nah, man. i say get out. if you're not fully on board with what they're doing, be proactive and at least decide where and how you're going to live your life in exile.
I’d love to leave but I’m poor
They're working on it. Other side has a tremendous surveillance apparatus, as well as corporate media. They are treading carefully.
Buy a gun. Train.
Get connected with others. Make sure they get armed. Train with them.
Ya dude. It's easy to say. Military has been training everyday for quite a long time with fully automatics
Asymmetrical urban warfare is death for all. The last few decades have shown us this.
I keep seeing this advice but honestly I'd rather spend years in a El Salavadorean prison wrongly convicted with the hope of being freed than die immediately in a hail of bullets, or be rightfully imprisoned for life for killing a cop.
You can imagine being freed from a concentration camp but can't imagine successful community defense.
Cops don't want to die in a hail of bullets either. There are more of us than them.
You'd change your mind on this while you go through torture
The official stance is that nobody will ever get out of that prison alive. Literally. It's one very specific prison, and it's reduced El Salvador's violent crime rate to damn near zero because of how fucked up that prison is, and how little due process you'll receive if you even just get caught having gang tattoos. They don't need to connect you to any specific crime.
You'll share the cell with like 40 other dudes, and you all share one communal water barrel and one communal shit pit. The food is specifically designed to not be nutritious enough to sustain any muscle mass. You'll wish for death in there, but you can't even commit suicide by another inmate. Even suicide by guard is hard to pull off.
I'd honestly take the bullet over CECOT.
I mean, if by "years" you mean less than a year, killed, and buried in a mass grave in El Salvador than sure.
You don’t come out alive from those prisons and it’s gonna hurt more than bullets
Death is far from the worst thing that can happen to someone. We all must walk with the reaper some day. I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. CECOT is not living, it is Hell. I would infanetly prefer to go to Valhalla than CECOT.
What if I told you it won't be very many years, and it'll also be the rest of your life?
All part of the Orange Turds plan for America. MAGAts have turned America into a horror movie.
Yep, Project 2025 wasn't exaggerated at all. We all knew this would happen.
But I'm gonna blame Biden, Harris and AIPAC for blowing up the liberal-progressive coalition and alienating working class Americans with high inflation.
How do you lose 6 million voters from 2020 to 2024. That's just insane.
Half of them went to Trump, the other half stayed home.
Madness
Yeah...I hate how much I hate magasites AND the DNC. I mean, I definitely hate one more than the other, but geez, I just really would love to love at least a majority of the candidates churned out by at least one of the parties.
They removed mail in voting, removed many people from voting registries
The economy was fucking great and inflation going up happens under capitalism. Like I don’t really know what the fuck you want?
Magats deserve to be treated like the subhuman trash they are
He can declare them criminals with his mind. More efficient than a trial.
This is very much how it's going to happen.
MAGA are going straight to Krystallnacht, but it’s ok because Bernie went to Coachella.
Was his set good?
Kristallnacht, but as that is the Nazi term and euphemistic at that, pls use the official term Reichsprogromnacht
What else do you expect from a shit hole country
Hey we should all discuss it at length yet not actually do anything about it. Go team 'murica.
Discussing begets knowledge, and knowledge is half the battle.
Bro's talking about himself
This will also trigger a break down in law .... it's basically capital punishment ... break the law and you're out.
So to many people who see the writing on the wall .. if you're going to be punished severely, why not do as much as possible while you can before you're ejected ... or ride the lawbreaking for as long as you can until you get caught because you're screwed anyway
America is going down in flames
You don't even have to break the law.
I was thinking of those poor young men and women who are already at the bottom of society and have no chance. I'm Indigenous Canadian so I know what it feels like to be at the bottom of the pile and I've lived with and know many young men and women who faced a life of prosecution. At one point you lose hope and give up and realize that no matter what you do, you're going to get punished. Most people have a survival instinct that kicks in and says hang on and keep hoping for something. But I've also seen people lose hope and then just go out in a blaze of glory and kill and destroy as much as they can on their way out.
This is why capital punishment of any kind doesn't work ... once you take away people's hope, then they become reckless and give up on following any social norms or laws.
How does this not anger the domestic prison industrial complex?
It's not actually that powerful. Private prisons are all at the state level, and only some states.
They are opportunistic, not monopolistic, and the political pushback reversed the trend toward privatisation in most of the country.
Private prisons are a stain on our national character, they need to be shut down. but we have bigger shit to worry about right now.
We utilize them before people are sent to cecot so they're still happy...
Where and when do we meet to stop this bullshit?
on April 19th there will be protests nationwide in every city.
I plan to be at the one where I live, with as many people as I can get to come with me. attending is the bare minimum i can do, but until we collectively get up enough courage for large scale civil disobedience, simple protests are a starting point to get you connected with local allies and movements.
attending is the bare minimum i can do, but until we collectively get up enough courage for large scale civil disobedience, simple protests are a starting point to get you connected with local allies and movements.
Simple protesting are not a starting point. Using protests to agitate and sell your community on more radical action is a starting point. I'm not saying you're like that, but many people think that protesting is enough or the most they can do, or that they just need to "put pressure on their representatives" or win the midterms. Those people are, in fact, not even at the starting line. The idea of "this isn't enough, but it's a good start" is dangerous because it invites inaction with the assumption that action that is "enough" will happen eventually. It won't; you need to make it happen. Many, if not most, in this nascent resistance movement don't understand the urgency of the situation or the scale of action necessary to fix it and will have to be dragged by people like you to effective resistance.
If you're wondering why I keep saying you and not we, it's because I'm armchair strategizing/agitating from the other side of the world.
Everywhere, continuously. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ is a good start. Find your local org, meet the people, make connections.
SRA might be an option if you think future direct action might be necessary.
I was looking at states guard and wondering if blue states should be bolstering up their organized armed militias. State guard, as opposed to national guard, cannot be called upon by the federal government and are solely under the direction of the state governors.
One big downside, is many of the state guardsman are members of the national guard as well, as being in the state guard does not preclude you from the national military. There seems to be a lot of training from the national guard to the state guard.
Just meeting won't stop it. Spread within your community the idea of a general strike. Given Americans' poor showing so far it will be necessary.
Join your local indivisible group.
On voting day months ago.
Trump should be first in prison shouldnt he....
Isn't this EXACTLY what that orange windbag was saying other countries do to the US? It's always projection with these assholes.
I guess we already filled up all of the for profit prisons in The Land of the Free.
Fuck man, how did we get here?
I know how we go here but this timeline seems so quick.
Conservative wanted revenge or whatever it is.
We all saw this coming, right?
Please build that wall so you stay where you are
Is El Salvador going to be the next Australia?
No. It's not a prison colony, it's just a prison.
Not a prison, a death camp.
homegrown immigrants....?
Homegrown criminals. He wants to deport US citizens (explicitely rather than "accidentally")
Edit: And don't fool yourself, this will happen without due process.
"Criminal" just means the Trump administration accuses you of being a criminal, rather than it actually needing to be proven in court that you broke the law.
England 2.0
Be expensive as hell
MAGA！
Kill yourself.
literally millions of Americans organizing nationwide protests and resistance events, uniting with friends and co-workers to strategize, with larger and larger turnouts with each passing week....
🤔🤔🤔
Oooh are they holding signs?
Which is not nothing but there's a point there.
When people rise up without a clear plan or shared vision, they often end up reinforcing the very system they’re trying to challenge. That’s because the people in power already control the tools that shape our thinking—like the media, schools, and pop culture.
If we want real change, we need more than just passion. We need a shared understanding of what kind of world we’re trying to build. Otherwise, we risk repeating the same mistakes and rebuilding the same broken system in a different costume.
Capitalist ideas have had centuries to take root and evolve. They’ve got a head start and powerful platforms to keep spreading—TV, textbooks, social media, movies, everything. To challenge that, we need a complete shift in how we think about power, community, and freedom.
So here’s the big question: Is this shift happening? Can we see it in the protests, mutual aid networks, labor strikes, and grassroots organizing across the country?
If we believe it’s possible, then now’s the time to act—together, intentionally, and with clarity. Let’s build a new vision of society—one not handed down by the powerful, but created by us. Start by asking: What do you really want the future to look like? And who’s with you in building it?
An entirely spontaneous movement will end up reproducing the dominant ideology in a given society, because the dominant class has the means at its disposal to propagate and reproduce the dominant ideology.
So a revolutionary movement must know in advance what its revolutionary theory is; it must be united around a particular vision of society, a particular theory of revolutionary change, or it will simply reproduce the society that it is acting against.
Ideas that support capitalism have been around much longer than alternative ones, are more refined, and have way more tools to spread themselves—like the media, schools, and culture. A drastic change in structural thought is necessary.
Where is the evidence that this change in structural thought is actually occurring in the United States? How is this present in the dissent that has manifested thus far?
I haven’t seen a future for this country for a while now
I hear this all over Lemmy. So which improvised weapons have you crafted to oppose this regime? It's like you expect the rest of us to do it. Give your nutsack a tug and lead on.
Why improvise? I can walk into a store and leave with a rifle and armor piercing rounds
Well, this would be a noble start: Guerilla Shotgun
I suppose one could start hoarding glass bottles and gasoline/styrofoam gel.
I've done neither of those things, but I have read Mila 18 a bunch of times, so I guess there's that. Oh, and I do have at least one board with a nail sticking out of it somewhere behind the shed.
I'd say but I don't want a visit from the alphabet boys
So what are you doing as an American?
You expect the rest of the world to act for you, while you sit back and disparage people talking about a solution.
I think the "smartest" thing the administration is doing is not giving us local targets in our cities. Much as I hate the local police, they aren't complicit by default until it happens here. Once there are clearer local targets, you'll see far more action.
is this an option against the militarised police?
No. It is not weapons that will be effective, but tactics. I think the closest analogue would be the IRA, or any insurgency against the US in the middle east for more recent examples.
To be fair, organizing is tough and the United States is fucking big.
That said yeah more people should be mad.
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