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if you're ok with recycling I can link you an old comment.

Yes please

we've got a really fucking good chair

I've seen nothing but criticism of Ken Martin

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/19/dnc-chair-ken-martin-infighting-00413409

It's embarrassing how horrifically you have misread this comment thread.

You're being antagonistic with someone who agrees with you.

Their point is that vote blue no matter who is an empty slogan that is only applied when the centrist is the blue candidate. Now that a socialist is the candidate, the Democratic Party will abandon the vote blue no matter who logic. Because it was always just a pretext to force the left into supporting neoliberals, it was never actually about actual party unity

Within the context of US politics, the center left/Democratic Party is the largest political obstacle for socialists. So antagonism towards the center left seems to be rational within that

Democrats hate progressives

Democrats hate socialists. Their job is to ensure that the leftward fringe of the party, and of acceptable mainstream discourse, never moves past progressive/social democracy. The Democratic Party serves capital by ensuring a neutered American left

Hopefully this can be changed

The current structure of society is wrong and is extremely harmful. Oligarchy is an abomination which produces terrible outcomes.

You wouldn't choose this system in a vacuum. Therefore, the system must be fundamentally altered. To oppose this restructuring is both cruel and irrational. It is the epitome of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good - you're so afraid of change that you'd rather keep an evil system in place.

Such paralyzing cowardice is not reasonable, and it is even less reasonable to feel smug about such cowardice. If you are going to protect this harmful system, then the more appropriate emotion to feel is shame.

Lots of people die in the United States as it is. Homelessness is rising drastically. How long until you're next to be put out onto the street? Your employer can't wait until they can automate your job and fire you.

Also, the United States has a long history of carrying out genocide even prior to Gaza. Odd given your fallacious implication that capitalism is peaceful

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

He doesn't focus on any of those things though, and instead talks about prioritizing anti-poverty and anti-hypocrisy.

The line that the Gospels are the why and socialism is the how appears to be apt. Liberation Theology is based on this principle. Which is the sect of Catholicism that clearly has heavily influenced both Francis and Leo

Castro

The currently alive billionaires largely didn't design it; previously alive billionaires designed it and the currently alive ones have refined it.

Which is the way capitalism is supposed to work; it's a society ruled by and for capitalists - aka the billionaires who own the largest units of capital

Regardless, it is this system that is to blame. The actors within the system are also contributors, obviously. But individualizing systemic issues is not an effective way at seeing the solution.

The way to solve the problem of a bad king is not to replace him with a good king; it is to abolish monarchy altogether and replace it with a system wherein the people are the ruling class

It's like saying NFL linebackers don't cause concussions, rather its the rules and protective gear of professional football which cause concussions

Both ways of seeing it are true - the linebacker is the one actually performing the tackle, but he would not be permitted to cause that damage were he not enabled by the inherently dangerous rules and equipment

Same thing here. Clearly the billionaires are the ones directly causing the harm. But they are only able to do so (and only able to become billionaires in the first place) because of the existing system

This is not an informed opinion on Marx or Lenin

The median American seems to disagree with this assertion based on recent election results.

Which could be because they read at a 6th grade level.

But, regardless, scolding and ostracization and negative reinforcement are not effective ways to educate children. They seemingly are also not effective ways to educate adults who possess the intelligence of children

Social accountability (meaning being called out on social media, being fired from a job, or being boycotted)

These are not effective means of achieving social progress because they result in incredible reactionary counter movements. As is evidenced by the success of Trump/Republicans/Fox weaponizing woke as an attack.

The median American hates scolds and prudes (despite, hypocritically, largely being a scold and prude themselves.)

If the goal is to achieve social progress through popular support and democracy, then these tactics of scolding and ostracization are counter productive. Other methods must be used

If the goal is to achieve social progress through more revolutionary means, then Lenin offers a roadmap. But American liberals are still seemingly opposed to that.

In any event, it seems clear given our current political realities that the "woke" tactics of the past decade have been a tremendous counter productive failure that has contributed to our present fascist regime. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences; the consequences of 2010s social justice online scolding is the Trump regime and the collapse of American liberal democracy

He's an expert in kitchen appliances

Extremely poor taste "joke"

The above comment already explains how the intelligence agencies enforce and perpetuate western oligarchic control and exploitation.

https://a.co/d/2xNcOKi

https://a.co/d/837DzqO

For reference

Fascism is the open dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital, used as a tool by the ownership class to crush the working class and revolutionary movements when their rule can no longer be maintained through "normal" parliamentary democracy. It is capitalism in decay and crisis, resorting to extreme violence, nationalism, and repression to preserve class dominance.

The CIA and broader U.S. intelligence apparatus from George W. Bush to today function as instruments of the ownership class, increasingly showing fascistic tendencies as capitalism faces deeper internal crises. After 9/11, intelligence agencies expanded mass surveillance, covert operations, and political manipulation — not just abroad but domestically — to suppress dissent, manage working-class unrest, and defend imperialist interests. Under both Republican and Democratic administrations, the intelligence state has blurred the line between “security” and repression, normalizing extraordinary executive powers, criminalizing protest, and targeting leftist, anti-imperialist, and labor movements — all while intensifying nationalist narratives to justify it.

She is a fascist. She worked for torturers

Neoliberalism's erosion of the welfare state and GWB's brutal and bumbling advancement of American Oligarchy via the War on Terror are why we are currently living under outright fascism. Those who caused this current crisis must be cast out as arsonists who lit the current inferno

Anti-fascists must be united and must avoid factionalism. She is not an anti-fascist, which is why she supports our ruling class of oligarchs. Because she is not a part of our movement, but is a deceiver who literally works for the spies of the American Oligarchs, we must not accept her as on "our" side

1- I'm not who made the claim

2- How is this distinction a material difference? If she worked for torturers then she is unsupportable

just say that the party opposes ‘kings,'”

This is incredibly dangerous

It argues that a pseudo King like Trump is the problem. That is a lie. It is the oligarchs who prop up dictators like Trump who are the problem

This is an issue of systems, not of individuals. She's intentionally trying to individualize a systemic issue. This is because she serves those oligarchs and is protecting them by attempting to scapegoat Trump.

We must reject this

First she was in the DA not DO at the CIA so she factually was not a torturer as analysts weren’t doing torture rather the spies were.

Your defense of her is that she chose to work for torturers? Why would anyone work for torturers?