Trump deploys National Guard after second day of Los Angeles immigration protests | CNN
Trump deploys National Guard after second day of Los Angeles immigration protests | CNN
It has begun. Trump unleashing the army against the population fighting against his gestapo.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is "mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert." ~ABC News
They are already threatening to send in Marines...
I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.
No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.
Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.
These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.
I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)
Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.
How about "America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version"?
trump isn't the parody version.... he is the logical, and inevitable end point. he is the perfect avatar and representation of what america is, what it stands for, and what it has ALWAYS stood for! trump is the perfect president because he so perfectly encapsulates every single american value: he is lazy, fat, stupid, corrupt, proudly ignorant and scared of anything he doesnt understand.
how do you look at 250 years of american history and not see that he represents exactly what made america 'great'? genocide, slavery, segregation and jim crow laws...
the people downvoting you are morons and i'm not sure why they're even here.
What are you accomplishing right now?
They accomplished saying the people that helped get us here with idiotic false rhetoric can go fuck themselves. I'll add preferably with something sharp.
Nobody claimed that
Literally millions of people claimed that
'cept the entire tankieverse saying that you shouldn't vote for Biden (later Harris) because they're the ones causing the genocide in Gaza. Like yes, they did jack all to fix it, but we all knew Trump would be even worse. Telling that to just about any tankie resulted in "How can it get any worse than genocide? Voting for Biden/Harris means you voted for genocide" or something along those lines.
Didn't take very long for Trump to go "lol Gaza is prime beachfront property tho, let's get em fuckers out" after he got his throne back.
Lol
Are you blind and deaf?
Funny how he doesn't hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn't do shit.
Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.
He was in charge of the lynching
You don't call for a flag on the play when it's your team causing the penalty
Whatever side of this issue you fall on, you should at least know that, tactics-wise, joining with the LAPD to do raids in Eastside LA is not going to work how you think it will. There’s movies, albums, books, historic moments in living memory, etc. that warn about that. Start in Sacramento or wherever. Don’t expect East LA to care about your “authority.”
The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that's not going to solve this. It's just going to start a true resistance.
There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.
As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that's when they kill them.
All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.
The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses
I hope a true resistance is born of this. We need to band together and rise up!
Agreed. If protestor blood is spilled, it will foment a resistance that will build.
One word - drones.
I hope I’m not giving too much credit for a strategy, npbut it might just be an attempt to provoke a reaction. Either California backs down or they resist and there’s an excuse to take over. Look for a bunch of masked thugs to try to arrest Newsom for “treason”
I don't know history well...do tell or link some reads?
This has been going on so long that there’s an 80’s Cheech and Chong parody song about it.
The 1992 riots started in South Central, which is historically African American. East L.A. is sort of the hub of Hispanic “immigrants.” (immigrants in quotes there because America swiped that land after the Mexican-American war; lots of Hispanic Americans didn’t cross the border but had the border cross them).
I don’t live there. I’m just an enthusiastic idiot. I love Los Angeles. So, I can’t do its history justice. Hopefully, someone else can. I have friends there and I go there a fair bit but it’s not my hometown so I don’t want to misrepresent L.A. (I live in New Orleans so L.A. and LA—the postal code for Louisiana—get mixed up a lot. So, I use L.A. for the city. No one else does.)
The Irish resistance is the closest analogue to what that kind of armed resistance would look like.
East LA. The best Pawnshops in America!
These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.
It's not a fucking immigration protest. They didn't deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.
Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.
Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I think Trump is also doing this at least partly to distract from his spat with Musk's Epstein implications. Not to mention Trump's upcoming parade. Also, keep in mind that 2,000 Nat'l guard troops is surprisingly low, especially for an area the size of L.A. In '92 they brought in almost 10,000.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about this, too, but personally I believe people need to keep their cool, here. I'm seeing a lot of doom spiraling and panicking all over the place online and we need to be mindful of how this affects us mentally and emotionally.
We're in the long game.
This is basically my take as well, Californian cities are fucking massive and 2,000 people in LA especially is barely a drop in the bucket. Also these are National guardsmen who may very well be pissed they are being sent to stand around outside in LA during the summer, the concrete and blacktop does not let go of heat easily.
Edit: Bucket not bugget, my auto correct is on bath salts.
No its not to distract from Musk. He is lowballing deployment so if/when it doesnt work and he deploys the actual Army or Marines it will seem "reasonable". He is 100% looking for a reason to fuck California hard and will get it.
I think the lack of numbers is intentional. Trump and the Heritage Foundation want a violent response to justify an even more violent reaction. They’re looking to have the national guard be not enough to make it look like immigrants and the left are a threat to be dealt with and showing them hurting National Guard troops would elevate the narrative to a military threat at the civilian level. They want someone to brick a national guardsmen, I’d wager they want a few guardsmen to die, it would give them everything they need, they could declare martial law and stop elections, then they send in the marines.
There are good odds we'll get an iconic photo out of this, like the Kent State massacre. But I don't know if we're so post-truth that anyone would care.
Photo I'm thinking of is on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
You mean the Man who Deployed Secret Police in his FIRST TERM is Deploying the National Guard in his SECOND TERM? I did NAZI This coming!
If you don't own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.
Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.
Sooo, there’s that.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.
What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it's simply not what you signed up for. Say no
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.
Anyway. GovCo can't win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don't have the numbers.
Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn't handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.
Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry
Says someone from the nation that mainly loses military conflicts with the citizenry....
yeah. not with that attitude.
This is actually insane. Bringing tanks to a knife fight... except it's not even a knife fight it's a thumb war. This is going to cause country wide rioting and Trump's only recourse will be to further up the anti. I feel worried for you guys.
This is all predictable. By next summer, besides more immigration crimes, we'll have food and product shortages, massive tariff-driven inflation, an economy roiling over his constant market manipulation, Luigi's trial, arrests of prominent politicians and resistors, etc. There will be protests against all of these issues and more, and he will use those protests to stir up trouble and create violence.
By next summer it will get really ugly, and he'll declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election, so he can preserve his Congressional majorities.
Without Skum to rig the election, he will have no choice but to go with the Martial Law option.
Ante*
Thabks
"Trump's only recourse" lol don't make it sound like he'll be forced into something he's been working toward all along.
There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.
Well, more than a good reason, it's in the UCMJ and drilled into you in basic.
And rather than fighting against people who can't reach your home, those protestors can strike back. I hope anyone in the military realises that he's putting their own family at harms way. That may very well change the equation. I'm sure they are willing to risk their own lives, but are they also willing to risk the lives of the kids?
The question is what will convince individual troops and units that their orders are illegal. Disobeying orders isn't something the military takes lightly. In theory a court order should be proof enough, but who knows these days.
I'll just leave this here.
https://girightshotline.org/en/military-counseling-news-updates/if-your-conscience-troubles-you/
It's starting!!! The downfall of democracy, we had a good run!
Or its revival. This might become the spark that turns these protests into a revolution.
A new Boston massacre may be in our future
I honestly hope this is the case, that would clearly be the best possibly outcome.
Revolution can also be slow, especially when it comes to tech oligarchs helping to enable to current administration, they can easily help obfuscate the narrative.
Oh, that happened the instant the SCOTUS declared the president above the law and Biden didn't say "fuck you, idiots", fire all the justices who ruled in favor of that decision at gunpoint, appoint all new justices in their place, and then declare that ruling void by fiat. If you're about to say "the president can't do that", the SCOTUS declared the president above the law, he actually can.
It was really hard to watch. SCOTUS created this monster executive with unlimited and almost unchecked powers, Biden declared that Trump was a danger to democracy itself, and then... crickets. It was heart-breaking that he didn't even try to curb the limits of power of the Presidency by doing something SCOTUS was going to rule against, handing the next administration everything.
Really? I think it was when they installed Bush in 2000.
we had a good run!
I'd rank it as 'just OK' compared to how the rest of the western developed world is doing and how many resources and advantages we had from the start. We can do much better next time. I think in the upcoming defederation we are not only going to let the south secede, we will insist on it. Godspeed to texas, florida, and the south.
Given the fact that the US was the first modern democracy, was born from a revolution, and was hobbled by the fucking South from day one is say it did pretty damned good. Seriously it could've failed as early as the whiskey rebellion but it didn't.
Did weeeeeeeee? lol
🤣
Compared of what is to come yes! But I get how you feel, things have been in decline for a long time but this is definitely going to be the darkest chapter yet.
The downfall of democracy is the existence of the US. The downfall of the US is the birth of democracy elsewhere.
I'm not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.
Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder
Reminds me of Victoria BC in Canada, whole place feels like a liberal nightmare. The place is run and populated by champagne liberals who step over homeless addicts on their way to their micro breweries so they can congratulate each other on how progressive they are.
This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It's just pissed off people, not people with a plan.
Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it's just bored people with mob mentality.
What do you think the people's response should be to being black-bagged off the streets by people who don't have badges, don't wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vehicles and wear masks?
This hasn't even begun to get nasty, yet.
how are they supposed to make a strategy? I mean I'm with you 100%, but normal people aren't going to be able to create a war strategy without some sort of funding and support.
I mean, strategy forms as you test the waters and see what response you get. The infancies of rebellions often aren't the most strategic.
This is arguably the most dangerous kind of war, at least for the elites and authoritarians. Angry people without a plan are unpredictable.
"more than lazy, privileged Californians"? wtf are you talking about.
Ah yes, those lazy Californian fake progressives, so fake and lazy to fight in the streets. Unlike those ultra poor in Massachusetts doing nothing to show how progressive they are.
East Coast Beast Coast baby. Bad things happen in Philly don't come around
Ah dude, shut the fuck up.
I love Massachusetts too, but you're very wrong about Californians.
They've been salivating for an opportunity like this. I bet they thought it would have happened already
Hope they like bullets to the head.
2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn't want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.
The goal is to engineer a 'state of emergency' so future elections may be canceled. That's it. The guard could have all stayed home and the process will simply continue as if they'd come out because each step is purely performative to get to the goal.
Shit MAGA creating their version of Tiananmen Square. I guarantee the fucking CCP and Russians are smiling.
Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
Distraction or not, Trump is a coward who thinks deploying soldiers at a protest will make him look tough. It doesn't. It makes him look scared and pathetic.
It's because he is. Him and most of his cronies are at a point where if they do not maintain power until they die, they may face extreme consequences.
The good thing is I guess they know that. The bad thing is, when it's that or maintain power, what lengths will they go to?
Of all the things you could rightly criticize as cowardly actions, brazenly deploying a military force against a civilian population, is not among them.
Edit: It's not bravery/cowardice, it's arrogance.
Really? I’d consider that peak cowardice.
Deploying it in Ukraine against Russia, or in Gaza against Israel would be brave.
Deploying it against his own civilians is cowardly.
How many fakes are in the crowd manipulating the situation for the oppositions political gain?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+spot+an+agent+provacateur+at+a+protest&t=fpas&ia=web
Lots of great results so I didn't pick just one but this helps, too.
Yup. And it's always these guy who are agitating for violence and "burning shiat down" and nobody can remember who this guy is or exactly when he joined the group.
They're called, "agents provocateurs" (google them. They're nothing new). They are government plants whose job is to start shit in peaceful protests to give the government an excuse to crack down violently.
As an overt resistor, my uniform (with ID) and an emblem, a sparrow of hope for a better tomorrow.
Yeah, this is fucking depressing. Anyone wanna fight about Linux distros?
Not much of a fight when I use ARCH
Me too, btw.
But why not Arch with a mix of Rocky in the network acting as NASs and small edge compute nodes?
Linux Mint Master Race, reporting.
It just werks.
I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?
We all know what it takes to remove fascists from power
There would probably be no consequences for him, but the "martial law" would probably be ignored and not happen.
As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.
The law hasn't mattered so far. It is illegal for him to deploy the National Guard without the governor's consent, which was not given. Not only was it now given, but Trump went out of his way to denounce the governor while illegally deploying the National Guard.
The US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is operating under the appearance of one, an appearance that falls apart the closer you look at it.
Hence Trump's verbal war on the judicial branch of our government.
Zero consequences, as usual.
Oh no worries. Trump is such a fan of insurrections he hands out pardons by the thousands for them - every single pardon personally signed by him, and totally not by autopen, I'm sure.
Seriously, though. Can't wait for him to cry victim and pull a surprised pikachu when all this pushback to his antagonization makes it to the steps of the White House. Hope he keeps the surprised face until the bitter end, and that end can't come soon enough.
If you are in USA, is a good time to downloading an "Black bloc manual" in some offline storage
Link?
And so it begins.
yup. next stop: martial law.
Probably the most likely scenario - do ppl remember during COVID & BLM how parts of Portland were reclaimed for a time? There were lots of spontaneous mini-riots all over the place but Trump didn’t declare martial law. Will he this time? Will these protests spread? Is Trump gonna way over react this early, setting off more and more protests?? Is this the start?
Doesn't trump lose horribly every time he goes after CA?
He'd have better luck waiting for something to go down in the Midwest, but yeah, w/e good luck.
Especially in a town known for its history of riots. LA is ready to kick some nazi ass at a moments notice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ocean_Resort_Baja_Mexico
He fucked up every investor by around $200,000.0 each. Lots of love for this guy to go around. Somehow he keeps buying into higher and higher places. Purchasing the seat of the US presidency may not be the end.....China has a heck of a lot of people to fuck with!
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. "- Admiral Adama
Wtf? Why is this the first I'm hearing of this?!?
I was looking at porn while hundreds of other people stood up to the face of fascism.
I mean, how would you know until you know?
Going to be watching this with great curiosity and excitement. Hopefully other places get the idea. Going to be very curious where Newsom comes down on this.
LAPD is already assisting ICE, so take a guess.
So, there's a cool documentary called Winter On Fire that covers the 2014 Maidan revolts in Ukraine. The relevant bit is at the end; after the police open fire on an unarmed march, the protestors announce that by 0900 tomorrow, they're marching on the capitol building and they're all going to be armed with guns (all 90,000 of them), and the cops can choose to be there or not. Well, the cops fucking skipped town that night, along with the president. Nobody has ever accused LA of being a city that is deficient in guns, or if they have, then they're fucking stupid.
Doesn't the California National Guard report to the Governor?
Normally yes, but the president has the power to federalize National Guard troops in extraordinary circumstances. That power hasn't been exercised since 1965 though. Until now.
I mean, only if the National Guard doesn't just decide no it isn't extraordinary circumstances and refuses to mobilize beyond being in the area they were ordered to be generally (as in it is reasonable for the president to be able to take control of national guard unit and order them to deploy, but ordering them to take action against a non-violent entity is a bridge too far).
There are no rules, only choices, people that pretend otherwise are afraid of seeing themselves in the mirror.
Here we go. It’s about to get crazy folks!
This is going to make Kent State look like a fraternity prank.
Tin soldiers and the Donvict's coming. We're finally on our own...
They are all a bunch of Racists. The existence of brown people is simply too much for them
🛎️🛎️🛎️
Rather than addressing the issue. Yet again.
Well that'd a terrble idea that will result in many deaths just like all the other times
I thought the President controlled the US Military but State Guards were authorized by the Gov? Surely Trump isn’t overstepping gave a Newsome because he thinks it gave him. Newsome is part of the problem, right?
Newsom is a neoliberal, but the lesser evil at the very least.
State Guards are controlled by the Governor, the state National Guard isn't the same as the State Guard
Does anyone know how to find out where the protests will take place this week?
Here we go, is this what they have been waiting for?
Yes. Trump desperately wants to enact martial law. He wants power and will do anything to get it.
Dude that’s your entire administration. Have some self-awareness, you orange, sagging, coffin dodging oxygen thief.
Who, Trump the thirty-two times felon?
Never met the guy. We're talking the 34 felony convicted man.
Don’t forget rapist. Probably liked them young, like his buddy Epstein.
The hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. Don't waste your time.
It's not just the red administration, all the government is rigged and most politicians are criminals.
You're both sidesing sending the national guard to a left wing protest?!