Donald Trump says America should “forget about” the separation of church and state
Donald Trump says America should "forget about" the separation of church and state - LGBTQ Nation
As if the fucking Christian indoctrination wasn't already bad enough here.
No. It's the woke that was doing the indoctrination.
Now, against the wall so we can inspect your purity.
You haven't seen anything yet. They're trying to build their own Saudi Arabia.
It is not going to teach Christianity but to end it.
What about kings and emperors?
Fuck no, not even wannabe ones like Turd.
What about kings and emperors?
Witcher 2 opening scene comes to mind. (time stamped)
there's a lot going on in this article, but this part in particular is... uhh ... a really special form of religious virtue...
I wish had no scruples because then I could sell people angels for $1,000
I love how the most devout Christians are always always complete shitheads
Easy to forget that Bush and Reagan also had these Faith Based Initiative and religious themed cabinet positions. And they were also primarily about funneling state money to religious demagogues. And then Clinton/Obama kept them around because they didn't want to offend the religious extremists.
The large network of Crisis Intervention Centers that effectively exist to abuse young people with poor grades, substance abuse issues, and non-conforming gender/sexual preferences were all originally bankrolled by Reagan/Bush Era pilot programs and church kickbacks.
Also I remember Bush saying he talked to god and was chosen by god and blah blah blah
Only a matter of time until he declares himself Holy Roman Emperor. And silly me was under the impression, he's trying to emulate an entirely different era of German history.
Leaning into grifting. Like always. He is just dipping into the Christian side of the grift.
Donald Trump signed an executive order yesterday establishing a “religious liberty commission” at the Department of Justice (DOJ) to investigate and present strategies to eliminate “threats to domestic religious liberty.” During his comments on the order, Trump said that he doesn’t know if there’s a separation of church and state and that we should “forget about that for one time.”
Words alone simply fail to adequately describe my disgust and rage at this travesty.
Time to get to work Satanic Temple.
They can only do work if the courts are actually following the law.
All of this is spelled out in project 2025. If you want to know what's coming next, just look at their website.
Just wait until they start banning porn. It's already started in some states tbh.
Canada almost had the same thing happen, but thankfully Poilievre didn't win PM, and even lost his seat too as a bonus.
I've been warning people about the setup to martial law. That's the final step of project 2025 that officially and completely destroys democracy. There will be no going back and no voting in the future. I keep being called an alarmist, but I was called an alarmist in late 2015 when he announced his run. It's also perfectly spelled out and they've been doing every project 2025 has step by step.
I'm curious what will happen when they try to abolish the Federal Reserve.
Christianity has done more harm to modern society than drugs could
Religion is a plague
Religion in general. It's what will bring humanity to extinction
tips hat
To be fair Christianity isn't the problem. Christian nationalism is the problem. Most Christians I know aren't this shitty. I say this as a hardcore atheist.
They'll be all about "forgetting" about that separation, all the way up until someone opens Beezlebubs Intermediate School of the Damned - then they'll be up in arms again.
By uniting church and state they can claim that “beezlebubs intermediate School of the Damned” goes against the official religious doctrine so it is banned but “holy Christ of the saints of Peter school for conservative belief” is allowed and gets taxpayer dollars
What's that? Did I hear somebody say Beelzebub's Advanced Rifle Academy?
hope this project 2025 is as successful as his casinos
It’s already more successful
To be fair the casinos are a pretty low bar, but yeah...
That's only because he isn't the one handling the business, but those choads that wrote Project 2025. They just keep shoving EOs in front of him and he signs them.
Sooner forget about the separation of his head from his shoulders but that ain't happening either
Raytheon, deliver us.
Religion is more powerful in countries with low education standards.
With the US government actively dismantling its education system, this is part of that bigger picture of wanting a dumber population so they're more easily controlled - through fear.
A shame to see America go so regressive so quickly.
To be fair, the Republican/conservative project against the United States has been decades in the making.
I cannot respect any "Christian" that voted for Trump. Least Christ like person on the planet, quite possibly.
He's literally the antichrist. I'm not being hyperbolic, he fulfills most of the prophecies. I'm no christian, but it's honestly creepy.
That's what these nut jobs want: the rapture. I'm no Christian loon but if I recall the end days that these dumb fucks follow starts with/in Israel and ends with the return of Jesus. It's so fucked up their own beliefs warn them about tRump, almost to the letter like you point out, yet they voted for him and put him in power. They support Israel STARTING THE THING, FFS...
I have always loathed the hypocrisy of Christians, but now I'm actively rooting for the end of organized religion starting with Christianity.
A common theme of MAGA is inventing problems that they can solve.
The idea that Christianity in the US is under threat and needs additional protections, is some epic persecution complex.
I had an old boss tell me that Christians are the most persecuted people on earth. They truly believe it and get off on it. All while existing in a country where you almost have to be Christian or at least Jewish to be elected to national office. It's pure mass delusion propaganda.
Under threat? Because it's declining in popularity? Sounds like the will of the people if you ask me.
That and the least amount of their privilege being questioned/ignored/dethroned is what they hate the very most.
They don't WANT people to have a right to choose to ignore their little book club. They don't believe in this country, which is secular. They want xtian Shariah law to be the law of the land, which violates the very principles of this country.
I am a religious person even and this is insane. Do these people not read the Good Book? Trump is clearly the antichrist. And still all these chodes have... simp-pathy for the devil (because they simp so hard. I tried really hard to make that joke work this is the best I can do.)
Unfortunately, this is no joke. This needs to stop, or it will end very poorly.
100%, but gallows humor is my favorite kind
I'd like to just forget about the church altogether
But you dont even follow the teachings of Christ?
The man should be investigated first for the most flagrant violations. I don't know if holding a bible upside-down counts, but we can go on from there.
Most kings, dictators, emperors in history claimed to be gods themselves or at least to have been chosen by whatever gods were popular in their territories.
Generally none of these guys were big on following the moral teachings of "their" religion, more to claim that what they want is a direct emanation of the will of the gods, so it must just be accepted.
That's why separation of Church and State is a thing in a working democracy and that's (of f-ing course) why it's now being targeted
The people who claim that America is a "Christian" nation don't ever read anything about the values the founders had. Most of them followed a deist philosophy.
And Thomas Jefferson went out of his way to emphasis the separation of church and state.
I'm starting to feel that Donald Trump might not entirely live up to the bar set by Thomas Jefferson.
Not to mention, the King was considered to have a "Divine Right" to rule. I can see why the Founding Father'a weren't too keen on mixing religion and government.
Oh lovely, a christian theocracy. How long before they start talking about having morality police?
I give it six months. Gotta hit em hard and fast.
It will be ICE. US becomes a christian nation. Non-christians are no longer citizens. I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.
Yesterday I watched the documentary "Hail Statan?", about The Satanic Temple. Not a bombastic documentary but shows a bit what they are, what modern satanism is and what they do in the US. They do mostly require an intact legal system to fight christian overreach so maybe its over for their legal battles
cant kill an idea, thats what matters most.
The final form of conservative regimes always resorts to imposing religion and rigid moral codes in order to suffocate any form of dissent. Conservatives have been painting themselves as the "rebels" in their manufactured culture wars and the warriors of freeze peach, but in the end it always funnels back to this: Bible authoritarianism. They will use this argument for push for more censorship, information control, stripping away rights and oppressing every community they deem against their dogmas. The writing has been on the wall for a decade now.
I am hoping that America's new implementation of this "Christian state" proves to be grotesque enough to serve as a warning for the rest of the world that even had the fleeting thought of going down this route. And I while am not very hopeful for Americans, I wish they find the strength to resist and revolt against this movement.
Bible authoritarianism.
Based on one very specific "interpretation" of the Bible that nobody is allowed to argue against.
We are going to be required to interpret the bible as justifying conservative power hierarchies, which requires ignoring surface level interpretations of most of the book.
The fascists have done a damn fine job of consolidating power in the church by grossing out most of the leftists into not attending, now the physical place designated for moral and ethical debate and community organization in society is dominated by the right.
If you are a self proclaimed leftist in America i implore you to get your butt into a church pew and integrate with their community, only tithe if you are confident the money is serving the community, and lead everywhere you can.
Meanwhile the vast majority of the leaders don't give a shit about christianity except when it comes to elections and a means to an end. Anyone who tries to say Donald Fucking Trump is a christian is in a cult.
Well okay, trump is an adulterer and we have clear instructions about what we need to do about that.
Community stoning......I'm down
Isn't separating church and state really important?
Only if you care about the constitution, freedom, and/or democracy. It's very clear MAGA does not care about any of that so here we are.
This is a complete upheaval of the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment of the Constitution per Wikipedia's entry on Separation of church and state:
Jefferson and the Bill of Rights
In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.[6]
Jefferson was describing to the Baptists that the United States Bill of Rights prevents the establishment of a national church, and in so doing they did not have to fear government interference in their right to expressions of religious conscience. The Bill of Rights, adopted in 1791 as ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States, was one of the earliest political expressions against the political establishment of religion. Others were the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, also authored by Jefferson and adopted by Virginia in 1786; and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and of the Citizen of 1789.
The metaphor "a wall of separation between Church and State" used by Jefferson in the above quoted letter became a part of the First Amendment jurisprudence of the U.S. Supreme Court. It was first used by Chief Justice Morrison Waite in Reynolds v. United States (1878). American historian George Bancroft was consulted by Waite in the Reynolds case regarding the views on establishment by the framers of the U.S. constitution. Bancroft advised Waite to consult Jefferson. Waite then discovered the above quoted letter in a library after skimming through the index to Jefferson's collected works according to historian Don Drakeman.[30]
As an atheist that agrees more with Buddhism and Paganism than any organized religion this infuriating. I went to Catholic Church and school for 18 years of my life, I know what it's like to be "forced" to believe in something you don't.
Are they going to keep records of who goes to what churches and arrest people if they don't go to the correct church at the correct time and day?
I don't give a shit what anyone believes as long as they are not an asshole, that's their own business. I've had people try to shove their religion on me and it's not fun. If I had the financial means to leave this country I absolutely would now even if I was a Christian and went to church every Sunday.
This is REALLY freaking dangerous and scary on top of all the REALLY freaking dangerous and scary other bullshit Orange Man and his Disciples of Dumbasses have been doing since January 20th.
Pro tip: he doesn't give a shit about the rest of what's in the 1st either. (Freedom of religion, speech, and the press)
This is the kind of separation needed!
So I occasionally check the Fox News site just to see what the idiot commenters say because I find it sad yet entertaining...anyway for the article that was posted about htis issue several people were like "this is a good thing, because sepration of church and state isn't in teh constitution" like bruh have you read the constiutuion? It's literally stated in teh first amendment xD
Amendments aren't part of the constitution... except the 2nd!
Well then Allah be praised!
/S
Let's just forget about the right to bear arms
Yeah! Let's arm all the bears! My favorite one is the shotgun bear.
Some people like the Kodiak or Polar bears. Me, I like my Browning Bears with .50 BMG (Big Mean Grizzly)
Christian here.
Trump can fuck all the way off with that bullshit.
The separation of church and state protects the church from the state at least as much as the state from the church. Christians should fear a "Christian" state.
Something I'm confused about: if Republicans believe government policy should be based on Christian values, why are they against government programs helping the poor?
They believe in the bible/Christianity insofar that it affirms their preconceived notions.
They just believe in the most hateful parts they can cherrypick to fit their ideology. Putting women, gays, blacks and the non-believers in their place.
Lmao this dickhead who probably can't recite a single Bible verse.
It’s been proven on live television he cannot.
"so are you an old testament guy or a new testament guy?"
"the Bible. It's great, you know that? So many verses, so many. Many that I know. You want verses? I could give you verses but I'm not gonna do that. Love the Bible."
-Trump, probably.
What the ever loving fuck?!!!!
If your god loving right now punch your balls for me. You did this. And for what? I don't see me believing in your fucking Jesus anytime soon when you keep fucking around with my science. I much rather you not take advantage of any science so you can be pure to your stupid fucking retarded ways:
Drop this phone carefully so others can use it.
Cancel every single subscription.
No LEDs, LCDS, chips of any kind for you
No refrigeration for you.
No cars for you.
No glass for you.
No insulation for you.
No plastics or fuel for you... You may burn animals or wood.
So take off your clothes fucker, you're wearing animal skins wool or silk and you're paying for that shit.
No elevators for you, you asshole!
No metal parts of any kind, all those use science.
Prescription glasses? Not for you fucker. Taken off...
No aspirin or meds of any kind. Make some tea you asshole, maybe Jesus will heal you.
Cement? Asphalt, nope, you're gonna go chop wood by hand using a piece of flint to cut it and you'll live happy because that's what Jesus did for a living.
No electricity or batteries, those things are based on science... No motors or lights, no compass or GPS. No.mosquito repellent or shark repellent or bear repellent or sun screen or bicycles or telescopes or microscopes. And here's your covid back asks Jesus if he wants you dead a little to the left or a little to the right.
I'm totally fine if you want all that for yourself.
That's because Trump thinks that he is god
Maybe if they bring back the church into politics he will learn who this Jesus guy is who everyone is talking about. Might be surprised that he was a "radical leftist"
White supply-side Jesus is different from biblical Jesus which is different from historical Jesus.
There's a pretty radical idea going on in wiccan circles right now that believes the "Jesus" these Christian Nationalists are worshipping is actually something called an egregore. Now, an egregore is a non-physical entity or "thought form", created by the shared beliefs, emotions, and intentions of a group. What's more, I've met people who claim to have interacted with this being.They claim that it truly believes it is Christ and wants you to believe it, too. It desperately wants into Heaven, and it is vain, and narcissistic, and ugly. It butters you up with false flattery, empty promises and lies, and, if the true spirit of Christ is with you, it calls that spirit Satan. If you recognize it for what it is, instantly like a toxic person it flips to anger and threats to scare you into getting it to believe.
He means American evangelist Christianity. Which is just capitalism with god. They are more interested on social control of masses and collecting tithe than any actual idealism.
It's far bigger than tithe. The article explains that the white house god office is run by someone who will take $1000 payments to send angels to people. They brought on that fucking moron Ben Carson too, which makes me think this is more about persecution if gay and transgender people than anything else. Other than that they're just making sure all the grifters (religious and MAGA) on the same team.
well he does also want to become pope. maybe he wants to multi class but what we really wish is if he dual classed.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
-President Trump, just this year.
He never meant it. And all of the cons hate ACTUAL freedom. Meaning, the kind of freedom that includes freedom FROM religion. Not just the "freedom" to select from a set of talibangelical cults.
He didn't even touch the Bible when he swore in this time. I doubt that means anything "legally speaking", but I'm sure it meant something to him
Trump needs a bunch of people willing to believe anything told to then and the religious crowd seems to have an endless appetite for rage inducing bullshit.
I'm gonna teach about how church molests everything it touches. I'm going to teach how religion uses "peace and love" as a rouse to get you to trust them, like a predator. I encourage the state to do this
Ruse*
[Sorry for being pedantic.]
"Our Country." Is just his White America/Klansmen base. We need that separation more than ever.
It's incredible that the U.S. is having this discussion again. What's the point—bringing creationism back to schools or stoning prostitutes?
The point is replacing a somewhat transparent legal system with an arbitrary mess which makes everyone that isn't exactly on the politically desired line feel uneasy all the time due to uncertainty of state actions.
GOP politics and agenda are all about control. And religion historically has always been a means of control. Add a more aggressive form of indoctrination instead of education in schools so that you have young people just smart enough to profitable but brainwashed into not being free thinkers who go tribal against anyone against their tribe. Once you have people replacing morality with religion you can alter that religion to match what ever you want as a means of control.
The Christian Right wants to make Christianity supreme and use it as the basis to take away rights of minorities including Muslims and LGBT. They want this as cover to take away sex ed and ban pornography and rap music and a long list of other stuff. Project 2025 laid it out pretty explicitly.
Watch some of the people they interview in The God Who Wasn't There. One of the guys thinks you should be able to execute homosexuals. Just casually talks about it and you realize how the people that talked about the Nazis and the banality of evil, you are watching it.
Old-ish movie now, but if someone wants to get an idea of what we are dealing with, the interviews with some of the xtians are off the chart...if you don't talk to xtians much, or live in a different country, or live in a more metro area that is not filled with this kind of delusion, this might be the first time someone comes across this kind of thing.
Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI
Full thing:
Yes.
He should forget about 4 year terms. He can be removed at any time.
Donald: That one from Pulp Fiction is pretty good.
I only know Genesis 21:6... For reasons.
....to investigate and present strategies to eliminate “threats to domestic religious liberty.”
Right, so this will be a group who will make sure that any other religious will disappear, and soon. Atheisrs will as soon as possible be persecuted
Tell me I'm wrong and why.
I wonder who paid him to say that. Trump is just a muppet.
Please don't insult muppets like that. Trump's a puppet, absolutely, but he lacks the warmth to be a Jim Henson creation.
I'll give you 3 guesses, starts with "P"
God damned pedophiles
This is not minecraft, so I do not advise the murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
American Christians will martyr themselves for their silly beliefs. But not before murdering a bunch of people.
It's fascinating how the new world now desires to be just like the old.
Like we should listen to this asshole.
Yeah, let's just ignore the First fucking Amendment and basically any freedom that actually matters. Go fuck yourself.
What the actual fuck.
There is this global retreat from rationality it seems.
Why do I need a church?
Of course he does. We are not allowed to talk about killing.
He REALLY wants to be pope
Can he be pope on a rope?
"Under His eye. "
.....but I'm Jewish....
........
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What happens when you're the wrong version of Christianity? That's a paddlin..
I will never forget.
Donny, you’re out of your element.
Maybe HE should worry about the separation of his head from his body.
Maybe after religion has been abolished.
Country with a second amendment refuses to use it.
You first. Unless there's some reason you're keen for others to risk their lives but not your own.
Plenty of reasons to ask others to risk their lives without being willing to risk your own.
At the most basic level, that's how specializations work: do you whip out your own drill when your tooth hurts? Or do you ask someone with the means and expertise to get the job done to do it for you?
If you're a US tax payer, then you're actively paying a shit ton of people to risk their lives on your behalf. All of those people swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all threats foreign and domestic - they are literally oath bound to engage Donald Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the US. Why shouldn't we ask those people to do their fucking job?
The 2nd Amendment is a last-ditch effort kind of thing, but the longer we get nothing but crickets from the previous paragraph the more relevant it becomes. Fortunately (in this very specific context at least) the US is stuffed with absolute enthusiasts for the 2nd Amendment - why condemn someone for asking one of those people to act on their passion? These fuckers' wet dream is to swoop in with their trusty ol' boom stick and make themselves a national hero by slaying a home-grown tyrant. So go on, Cletus: make us proud ya wraskly ol' cowboy!
In any case, we have a fuck ton of people either obligated or enthused to be the one to single-handedly step up and solve the Trump problem. As someone who's neither obligated nor enthused, I don't see any issue with calling on either of those two crowds to put their money where their mouth is, knowing full well that I'm not personally willing to risk my own life or freedom.
You might be shocked to learn that other countries exist and that the internet works in those countries and that your joke of a fucking constitution doesn't apply there.
Hint: I live in such a country.
Country with a second amendment refuses to use it.
Donald Trump has a First Amendment-protected right to say this. It may be irresponsible or outrageous, but the First Amendment protects irresponsible and outrageous speech.
On the outrageous-things-Donald-Trump-has-done list, this is probably one of the more-clearly-legal things that I can think of.
But on my personal list of "thoughts that make me shit my pants" living in a real-world Handsmaid's tale ranks pretty high, though.
When will you folks understand what your first amendment actually means?
I'm not asking your government to silence him. I'm not asking a court to sentence him. I'm not looking for a police force to arrest him.
Nah, first Amendment trump's Trump, regardless of his bullshit, he's a citizen. He can hold an opinion, just like that can be a dead fucking wrong opinion.
Power changes the equation. There is power behind his words. Take him at them and respond accordingly.
True enough!
I wonder what murica will be called in a few years when it ceases to exist?
You mean North Mexico?
Gilead
Each separation of church and State? I was in the impression that the USA was a country that made people sweat on the bible to take a serment, that evocks God in its political speech and discours and even in its moto.
That comment is not sarcastic. I actually feel I miss something to understand the situation.
Swearing on the bible is a choice made by the individual being sworn in. The actual swearing is to the Constitution and the interests of the people. You could swear on a copy of The Origin of Species if you wanted.
The shit about having god on our money, motto, and pledge didn't come about until the red scare of the 1950s. A way to separate the country from the godless communists, and one of the earliest violations of separation of church and state that I'm aware of.
but someone think of the jobs lost in the comedy industry! it is not fair to take away all their jobs. i thought maga would help pick cotton, but no...
I wonder if any of the dumbasses that are still supporting donvict yet understand what this would mean?
Log Cabin twats like Peter Thiel? These motherfuckers will come for YOU eventually, Einstein. Same for the likes of Tammy Bruce - an openly gay lesbian won't be in a position of leadership, what kind of gawdly message is that going to send? The Libertarian dumbfuck techbros still underwriting this shit, that are also hard atheist? You too, motherfuckers! Fast talking fools like Ben Shapiro and Stephen Miller? You guys are Jewish! Are you kidding?
The loudmouth uppity women like Beetlebert and Marjorie Trailer Queen and Kristi "dog murderer" Noem and Karoline Leavitt? You too - the Babble bangers won't be having YOU ruling over men, what are you even thinking? Best you can hope for is marrying some powerful man that keeps a roof over your head while he bangs some younger handmaidens to raise a crop of kids with his superior genes.
How about go fuck yourself.