Are you a law-abiding citizen?

No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.

[citation needed]
- Can confirm; am vampire
- Can also confirm, killed vampire last week. Tree.
- Can confirm, no warrent carrying vampires have gotten into my house without permission from someone inside.
- So if I'm walking towards my house after giving one a ride I can't tell her to come on in?
So you need a non-vampire judge to enter the house and produce the warrant from inside, got it!
If I’m outside the house and pulling weeds and a vampire walks up and I told them to come on in and motion them in the house first can they go in?
- Why would they need to, are you anemic and lacking in blood? 🧛‍♂️
What is a pwrson? What if the vampire git a comouter program to intrude every system it could and make every speaker it got access to invite them in?
- What if the vampire limitation extends to the digital world? What if a vampire can't be a hacker because they need permission from the admin on the target system?
but jesus is everywhere

!vampires@lemmy.zip

Y'all this one is simple.

Legally, yes.

Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.

This is the answer I choose to accept.
“Can I enter your home to arrest you?”
“I don’t know officer squints eyes ..can you?”
- "I am not resisting arrest. I am merely standing inside my home to be arrested. Why would I step outside to be arrested?
What if they're serving an eviction notice and it's no longer your home?
- Then you don't have the authority to grant them entrance

Kicks down the door with his non-vampire partner who enters first .... non-vampire steps inside the building and tells his vampire friend to come in

I see you too have played in a World of Darkness game. 😜
- We are all playing in a World of Darkness game on this glorious day.
You're adding policemen to the question. This is null.

Legally? Yes. Physically? No.

Yes, you agreed to the Terms of Service (aka Social Contract). For people in the USA, that includes the 4th amendment, which explicitly allows law enforcement (living or semi-living) to enter with a warrant. Therefore you have granted permission to enter.

If they don't have a warrant, or if they messed up the paperwork somehow, then they burst into flame.

Permission isn’t an invitation. They need to be invited in, not have permission to enter.
- Can a vampire not break and enter? Would an invitation work if they were out of town and needed the vampire to cat sit for a weekend? Does you being in the house have an effect on the invitation or it deed based? How are renters handled? So many questions!
  If you’re like me, you’re frustrated with vampire law. Here at Vampire Law, we help to keep your invitations clear and any misunderstandings cleared up.
- I don't know about that. So, if they ask, "can I come in?" and you say, "Yes." then they still can't come in?
But if you're born in the USA, you didn't agree to any ToS it was forced upon you at birth. Never chose to accept/agree to them, but obligated to follow them or face punishment.
A contract signed under duress is invalid.
- While birth is certainly a state of duress for everyone involved, the term would have extreme difficulty in just about any court (glances at the current state of US judicial system uh. mostly.) — though I get where you're coming from and don't entirely disagree.
  What a world it would be if those cosplaying porklets burst into flames simply by acting outside the Rules As Written. 🤩🥓🔥🤣 ACAB.
- If you’ve voted, you’ve essentially agreed to the ToS
What if im an illegalist who doesnt pay taxes and reinforces my home's exterior?
- I am not a vampire lawyer, but vampire courts do tend to side with the vampire when these types of questions come up after the fact.
The protection is usually framed under the natural right to be safe at home, it has nothing to do with legal entitlements. i.e. someone considering a dwelling home makes it safe, not an arbitrary paper.
- natural right to be safe at home
  So nobody who lives under a state is protected?

The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.

However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?

Being as that god is typically considered to be the Christian God, then the dogmatic principle of, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" should come into play, at least in the western world. Their invitation is from the true owner of the home, the state, which supersedes the current occupants authority as, "all nations are created by God".
However there may be some concept of primacy of house and home that in God's eyes turns out to be more important than the political societal contract we live under that has an exemption for protection from evil supernatural entities, as otherwise a long-lived vampire could simply manipulate the population to get themselves elected as a ruler and cause the citizens to lose one of their fundamental protections from the denizens of the night.
That being said, most law-abiding homeowners would probably permit the entry based on the existence of the warrant by default, so it's likely a moot point.

No. The vampire is bound by a supernatural barrier not even the likes of Dracula can defy. Otherwise Dracula would be a judge to issue warrants for his fellow vampire officers.

I actually think you've just described the current political climate in the US.

similar question.

do vampires need visas to enter a country?

can they cross borders freely?

if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?
- I think it's the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it's not the house that prevents them. It's the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories...that's what gives the threshold power.
  IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it's way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.
- I doubt that this would affect vampires at all. The rule is that they can't enter your house without being invited, not that they have to move if you build a house around them.
- wait
  is property lines the same as a house?
  can you sublet a room on your house and hide there?
  can you surround a vampire with houses and he cannot escape?
- Well by that logic, if you found a vampire's lair /tomb while they slept, and then three a tent over it, wouldn't that cause them to die?
  I'm def of the opinion its all about entering a building (not necessarily about being in one).
Depends on the fictional mythology. For instance the show Tuee Blood says it only applies to homes owned by a human, not businesses and such. That show has so many plot holes... But that idea they almost stick to. So I would say if the entire country was owned by 1 person and they lived there and had no businesses in it, sure.

Must be dumb friends. The answer is no.

A warrant isn't permission from the owner, or anyone inside the house.

but it's a cop so likely won't be following the rules even for a vampire
- Lol, well you have a point there.
- Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.
  I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.
What if you're renting? What if the house was appropriated? What if there's a land dispute? What if the land was appropriated? What if it fall under imminent domain? What if it's split ownership? What if there's a dissociative personality involved?
There's so much to be straight up dismissive as "they're dumb friends".
[In the US] A warrant is permission from the representative of a governmental entity that is ultimately in charge of the land and could legally take it from you, so if theydo take it from you, do you still own it? Even if you can't get it back? By that logic does the US own any of the land, since it was first the land of a different peoples?
- Ability to seize isn't the act of seizure nor by that definition is any land owned because most everything has been taken by force at some point.
  Renting wouldn't change anything unless they got permission from the owner.
- All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don't apply if they aren't in the house.
  This is really that simple.
But what is ownership? Ownership is the society-recognized right to the exclusive use of property. But society establishes certain limitations on those rights, including requirements to allow the lawful access by law enforcement to the property.
You intrinsically give law enforcement permission to access property if they have a warrant. It's just part of the bargain of land ownership.
- I can see how this mere question can end friendships...
Actually the answer is yes, you mention ownership as a key thing for your logic. Hence ownership is transferred to owners, managers of managers, bosses of bosses, etc. Hence yes they would be allowed.
You however misunderstand the implications of vampires. Vampires are essentially a criticism of the old who have lived to long, grown withered and cold. Husks of man with no life or soul left to gleam joy.
However they still don the mask of man and must weave within society. They are bound to be polite as they are not to arouse alarm, the alarm will be the corpse they leave behind. The youth they have sapped and the decrepit infection he has implanted.
Come on man, seems like an obvious metaphor for old men being polite and exploiting young women for the sake of 'new blood' or allusions to virginity. The yes is not about ownership, it is about concent.
- If the owner isn't in the house, then they don't have any right to give permission.
  Vampires don't care about mortal laws.

A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

No they wouldn’t tbh
- Needs reasoning

A job doesn't change or define what you are. A vampire would not be able to enter.

I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven't known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow "traditional" rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

Vampires are older than property law, I think the power that keeps them out comes from physically dwelling in the place. As long as they're still living there, regardless of what a judge decided, it's their home as far as a vampire is concerned. Otherwise they could just ask each other for permission to enter someone else's house. I'm trying to remember if this came up in Buffy...
- What if they are renting?
I think hearth magic doesn't work that way. When you live somewhere and set up a presence, it becomes your domain. A warrant doesn't take that away from you. You need permission to travel safely into someone's domain.

he could enter but he wouldn't without permission as his vampyrical torment exists deeper than his protect and sever police man gentle nudges.

My wife asked me this just this week! I said that it would depend on how far the vampire is 'removed' from vampires "tradition". As in, if they were a more recent conversion, maybe more archaic methods like legalistic language wouldn't be enough and a vampire cop could enter with just a warrant. But I think an older vampire-cop who would be more bound by whatever lore suits the trespassing curse/stigma, would still be unable to enter your home without your express permission. Its about domain, not so much ownership.

Police don't typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

In this same vein, if a vamp-cop's partner entered the home, then invited the vamp-cop in, would the vamp-cop be able to enter then?
- Only the people living there can invite a vampire in.
- Good question, and I dunno, but I wouldn't think an invitee has the power to invite others. Seems kind of dodgy.
But what if I trust the vampire cop more than the cop? At least the vampire cop admits he's a bloodsucker.
- your call

Now I'm thinking about a homeless schizophrenic guy living in his mind palace forcing vampires out is "house" through sheer belief since that seems to have some effect on vampires depending on the lore

Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately 'owns' your property; if it didn't, then it couldn't kick you out and seize it if you don't pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn't have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.
Vampires make better cops than real ones?!
So the State seizing land and demanding tax was really just a ploy to support their vampire masters. I knew it!
Ability to tax isn't ownership
- It's not about ability to tax, it's about ability to sieze. If the government didn't own your land, then taking it without your permission would be theft. Since it isn't theft if they take your land without your permission, it stands to reason that they own it. You don't own the property, you own a piece of paper saying you're allowed to live and build there.

A... Men... Let's start with grammar.

Syntax*
- syntax is part of grammar and refers to word order. a man/men refers to numerical agreement. both are grammar, but this is not about syntax.

If we're going by carpe jugulum rules - yes.

Carpe Pulmonum? Carpe Phlebolum?
IIRC, "carpe" in its original definition was closer to "molest" than "grasp", and the phrase itself carried a more vulgar implication of violent dominance in its theme.
- Not my Latin ;)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_Jugulum?wprov=sfla1

I believe that a vampire is a representation of exploitative forces that you invite into your own life but could avoid if you chose to. A policeman is hard to avoid, especially if they have a warrant. Therefore, a vampire cannot be a policeman in the first place, since the state of being a policeman overwhelms the state of being a vampire.

Or vice versa, according to Blade.
Bram Stoker had a different take
- Writers need to be interpreted, because it's unlikely that they actually understand what they wrote. Therefore, when employing a novel to address a problem, my interpretation is probably more important than the original work.
  I took them some of the most elaborate passages in their own writings, and asked what was the meaning of them - thinking that they would teach me something. Will you believe me? I am almost ashamed to speak of this, but still I must say that there is hardly a person present who would not have talked better about their poetry than they did themselves. That showed me in an instant that not by wisdom do poets write poetry, but by a sort of genius and inspiration; they are like diviners or soothsayers who also say many fine things, but do not understand the meaning of them.
  It's not even clear that Bram Stoker had a good understanding of the word "Dracula": https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2467&v=BvFwqVzEsfw

You know, maybe Vimes had a point.

We need a landlord to weigh in on this.

An antideluvian, even.
Wait, aren't landlords de facto vampires?

Ok but what if I only invite him into my shed and then keep him chained up in there?

that depends on the setting you're writing.

I think it would be more interesting to instead say yes or no, and then explain why it's that way in your setting.

if yes, perhaps the law is magic in its own right, or perhaps the state is ordained by god. If the vampire is a protagonist, then perhaps the story might be interestes in exploring the necessity of due process and the consequences of not doing that.

If no, perhaps it is because the police are a corrupt institution lacking support of any higher supernatural power. Our vampire cop might feel forced to use increasing sinister methods of gaining entry to suspects homes.