The office is empty at 6:30? Preposterous

Imagine being so full of yourself you call yourself a "business angel"

Is he biblically accurate though?
- If full of shit is biblical, yes.
Angel investors are a thing.
- Learning what an angel investor is hasn't really changed my opinion on this guy. My opinion of him as an angel may have changed if the post were closer to "go home at noon today, we've got enough done and you deserve a break." Instead his attitude is "stay later, work harder, and get that sweet sweet return of investment.
Damn guess i must be a business demon

the only people who want to put in longer hours at the office have absolutely nothing to go home to.

they should be pitied instead of being vilified. drop them a "get well soon" message in social media should you encounter them.

Usually they're also the people who don't do anything... I don't know how many I've run into and ask what they're working on, only for them to give me a "catching up on email or cleaning up" response. They're just wasting time, hoping to look good.
- "Catching up on emails" is something you must do and can take a lot of time depending on your role and circumstances, though. My interepretation of this answer would depend on if the answer is for "what I'm doing right now" or "what I've been working on today".
they should be pitied instead of being vilified
Nah. It’s leaders like this moron that are just looking to make money off your hard work. Get going, you have billionaires to please!
Some of us work our asses off because we're passionate, but don't pressure our coworkers to do the same... It's a phase like most things are. If I ever get a management position in my current industry, I won't expect after-hours responses/work...
- Some of us work our asses off because we're passionate
  i'm so sorry to hear that. hope you get something at home which can share in that abundant passion.
  get well soon.

That is the key thing that is wrong with the whole "work ethic" rhetoric. Working longer hours is not good for productivity unless you have a job that basically has no quality metric attached to anything you produce and quantity is just measured in time worked.
Chances are many are still working. They're combining eating with socialising with peers in the hundreds of bars and restaurants and discussing many things, including work related stuff... which is a lot healthier than always eating alone at your desk.

Prosperity comes from inherited wealth.

People who work from a co-working space usually are in no place to lecture others about prosperity.

If you brag about how late you work in the evening, at least tell us when you start in the morning.

That would be a great reply:
"What time did you get in? I didn't see you at all for the 13 hours I was there. Did you just show up to take a picture?"
- Their golf is "business networking" and counts as work. Your bar time with coworkers and other business associates is goofing off.

What if instead of working, I spend two hours making a salty post about people not working?

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Man discovers German labor laws, more at 11.

This is an especially stupid post coming from a guy working in Germany. As far as I know, they see leaving work early as a good thing because you were so productive you didn't need an entire day of work to complete your tasks

Tell me again how hard you’re working while you piss around on social media all day.

Tell me again how hard you’re working when you’re a grown ass adult who needs to stay until 18:30 every day to accomplish anything competitive
- Some of us are nocturnal. His issue is that he thinks that anyone can stay productive for more than about 4 hours a day. That's just an unrealistic expectation created by bullshit jobs that we can autopilot through for 8 hours a day because the dictators up top decided that was the best decision.

The other day I was driving on the Autobahn at 3:30am and there were literally no cars around me. These Germans always go on and on about how the Autobahn is so fucking great, but then they are not using it? You have to be really stupid to not see how that illustrates why the entire country is going to shit

3:30 AM is probably the best time to be driving on the Autobahn, too. Can't believe nobody's using it at that time.

And instead of working himself he spents his so productive working time by writing linkedin posts.

Odds on he went into the office at 18:30 to take a photo of how empty it was so he post on LinkedIn about what a grinder he is.

I mean does anybody other than blowhards full of nothing but air use or care a out LinkedIn? The last job they tried to push on me was working in a local five and dime in the city centre mall. Not disrespectinf the fine people who work there, but how do my master in thermodynamics and 20 years of experience with explosives fit in there?
- It's honestly the best way to connect with tech recruiters.
- Of course! There are also trolls that post outlandish stories and then incredulously post screenshots of said stories to reddit or lemmy
- city centre mall
  how do my .. 20 years of experience with explosives fit in there?
  Have you ever played GTA Vice City?
- If you said that terrorists tired to recruit you, it would kind fit, morbid it may be.

Sounds like a dude who works all day without accomplishing anything and doesn't understand how people can get work done quickly by being good at it.

Actually, he seems to be a guy who's just gallivanting all over the world and posting about it on social media, while others are doing the hard work.
Then again, all I have to go by is his LinkedIn profile...

This reminds me of a person I worked with who would wait until the evening to reply to most emails. I assumed this was so at every morning standup they could say they were waiting on someone else to get back on something.

Pro tip - when replying to an email, schedule it to be sent at 8pm so they know you've got that sigma grindset
- Outlook will display the time "sent" as the time you hit send. Then they receive it at the scheduled time, and will be marked as the "received" time. Two different time stamps.
Sounds like something I'd do lmao

That’s not an office. That’s a hotel lobby. I do not envy anyone who needs to work in this co-working space. It’s like someone took the idea of a loud distracting open concept office, and replaced all the functional furniture and equipment with cushions and wall art.

God I want the four day work week to become a thing. But I think they’ve been talking about it for like two decades now and it never seems to happen…

I the USA the fight for a $15 livable minimum wage has taken so long the living wage is now $25 an hour.
I'd happily work until 6:30 on Thursday if it meant I'd get Friday off completely, with no less pay
Get in a union (while you still can). I've been rocking the 4-day work week (with one day WFH) for years. It's great.
There are too many idiots and bootlickers in the US for progress to be easy.
I have bad news about the election

Overtime work for your own company? If you want, sure. It all comes back to your pocket after all. You do you.

Upset that your staff isn't participating in your non-existent work/life balance? It's only weird if they don't own an equal share of the business with you, or are not well compensated for the inconvenience.

Publicly shaming your staff on LinkedIn for spending time with family? Get ready to lose your top performers.

Edit: another lemming pointed out this is a co-working space. In which case, the above doesn't directly apply to the guy in OP's post, but is a familiar story nonetheless.

His work is probably just sending emails and booking meetings.

His work is THE HUSTLE and NETWORKING with the office manager about getting half-caff pods while she's trying to go HOME to her CHILDREN heh while he's grinding that INBOX ZERO productivity, carefully reading and NODDING INTENTLY - BROW STITCHED IN INTENSE CONCENTRATION as he scans every single business opportunity email and either archives (never delete a lead (NDaL life)) or replies to each one individually. Sleep or inbox zero? The choice is easy for the grinder
- He's a BUSINESS ANGEL and his title is IMPACT, it says so on his LINKEDIN, which is where REAL WORK happens

Having worked in various countries of Europe with various different work cultures, I can guarantee you that at least in Software Development the productivity of working more than 8h a day regularly (you can get away with doing it for a week or two, but no further) is so much less than in with 8h/day or less, that you're literally producing less results with your work in a whole long-hours day of work than you do in an 8h day.

In simple terms, tired people do negative work and people working long hours regularly end up chronically tired.

Maybe it works differently for people doing stuff that's all about salesmanship (like Business Angel) for whom more hours means more "meets", but in my personal experience it definitelly works as I described for people actually doing heavy thinking work that has to actually work rather than merelly doing talkie-talkie with hard to compare results and where efficiency is near impossible to measure.

I understood that when once we decided to stay longer and worked for 12h one day, and then spent the next morning un-fucking what we screwed up during those extra hours.
Or when I spent an hour debugging something late in the day, only to come in the morning and find the problem in 15 mins. At least in software development, effectiveness dramatically drops when you're tired and it's really not worth it killing yourself to do something 2h faster.
I work in IT support, which is basically the next pond over from development. Because the job is so mentally intensive, if I'm working on complex tasks for more than 4-5 hours, my brain is catatonic by the time I hit the end of my shift.
Mental effort, is still effort. Most of the time you can't see that someone is mentally tired, but it is just as debilitating as being physically exhausted.
I can not do my job while mentally exhausted. One screw up from me, and I have the ability to, entirely by accident, take out an entire organizations ability to do useful work.
Some of my clients, I've seen log into the system at 8AM or earlier, and still be online after midnight. I don't understand how they're getting anything useful done by that time.

$100 says he left immediately after taking these photos. Dr.Hustler PhD here is using precious company time to write a chapter's worth of bullshit. Get back on that horse, it's time to work.

Edit: I finally get it! This must have been what Rage Against the Machine meant when they said, "Can't waste the day when the night brings a Hurst." Still not sure how, "Rollin' down Rodeo with a shotgun," fits in this pro corpo anthem but maybe I'm just not a hard enough worker to get it. Bad tradeoff indeed.

Imagine being so pathetic that work is your life. What a loser

That's why Asia, working the longest hours, is the world's most productive region, right?

Japanese office workers are one of the most inefficient workers despite the long hours they spend at the office
- I'd imagine that they're unproductive because of the long hours that they spend in the office. It's been a source of mystery to me (European) how our offices in America manage to put in 60 hour weeks every week, often with a crazy commute before and after, and yet never seem to make fuck all progress on anything. Better to concentrate on how to be as productive as possible for time that you are there, than to fetishise the total amount of time?
- Well I imagine efficiency is measured by the amount of work done divided by the number of hours worked... I know the salary-man culture in Japan is pretty grueling, so I imagine the hours are super high. And since they're so fucking tired (Japanese men sleeping at the office is a meme), the work suffers.
  So they are not only working far more hours than average, but getting the same amount or possibly even less, work complete in that time because of energy levels/morale.
  Simple math that you'd hope even a CEO could grasp.
without looking it up, and in absolute terms? probably?
but in output per worker? lol

More hours weekly correlates extremely highly with a nation's poverty index and unemployment.

The only reason a business would want their workers to work more hours is because the management is lazy and cannot find additional staff to accomplish output goals.

Europe is not behind. It is ahead.

"Putting in the hours" isn't working. It's flexing your masochism

Yeah it’s virtue signaling for free market simps
It's expecting other people in your family to pick up your slack.

i start working at 6:30 and work till 16:30 so i can see my children before they go to bed.

i'm just a burden for my company, right?

That office looks like a hotel lobby. Do people actually work on those couches and coffee tables? They’re probably leaving “early” to go see their chiropractor.

yeah most coworking spaces have plenty of small personal offices. walk through those and you'll probably find at least one poor engineer working unpaid overtime

This guy probably still wonders why he was bullied in High School and College.

He should be bullied now.
- Absolutely. How's that """grind""" helping him find love, or hobbies, or friends? It's not? What a shocker.
Nah he was the bully
- I saw both sides of bullying turn into this guy.

You stay there and work, mr hustler, I have a life to live and enjoy

He probably only arrived at 12:00 and is complaining about everyone that has a live besides work (children, hobbies, volunteer jobs etc) and arrive early.
Considering there's laws in Germany that prevents you from working more than 8 hours a day, hes either in violation of those laws or full of shit.
- Considering there’s laws in Germany that prevents you from working more than 8 hours a day
  That's vastly more complicated, only mostly true and only true for employees, not self-employed people.
  So he might not be full of shit in this regard, but he's clearly full of shitty-hustle-culture-nonsense!

Business owners be like:

How dare these people not give me their labor for free. How greedy of them

And not detect a single drop of irony

It's a coworking space, which means he's not dunking on his employees, just other randos who have a life.
- Good point
  Still such a strange flex to brag about working for your boss for free.
I recently got scolded for saying we shouldn't work nights and weekends for free at work. (Everyone is salary).
The boss was telling me it demoralizes my coworkers to say that. And it "doesn't hurt me if they decide to put in extra time".
The most naive theory of labor, or just lying?

The US has influenced the rest of the world so much. It's quite sad. Hopefully Trump's election will force Europe to put up some figurative walls and stop the flood of bullshit from that country.

The right-wing rot is in Europe too.
- The rot can be more easily excised with less foreign influence.

My office is a ghost town by the time I leave at 5. That’s how I know I’ve found a good place to work. (Also don’t have to be in the office every day)

I only stay that “late” because I get there later than almost everybody else.

I also prefer coming late and leaving late. After finishing my formal education nothing forces me into the rhythm of the morning larks anymore. I've been enjoying it quite a bit.

Sounds like my man needs to get off LinkedIn. Who tf "loves to talk and post about the hustle" in real life ?

I start work at 4 am. I do work 4a - 8p one day a week but some days I'm done by noon. Usually by 1:30pm. I'd love to show up at his office at 4:30 am and post, "where's the hustle?"

Sounds like he's lonely.

All work no play makes Jack the only coworker not invited when everyone meets up for drinks.

That looks like the breakroom. Maybe check the offices?

It looks like an anti-café...
...he rented for his birthday.

It really gets me that "working hard" to increase capital is baked in as one of the strongest morals of our society.

My favorite part is when all these "hard workers" are actually just spending 12 hours/day at the office bullshitting and slacking off
The whole "work hard" being a moral dictum really depends on the country.
I've worked in Portugal, Britain and The Netherlands for about a decade each and whilst the Brits have the "work hard" not just in the sense of long hours but also the bloody slogan and moral commandment, and the Portuguese too have the long hours but "work hard" really doesn't add up to a moral commandment, the Dutch have neither and in fact it's considered a bad thing if people are still at the office after 6 PM (many even come in earlier to leave at 4.30 PM) to the point that a manager is considered a bad manager if their people are still there at that hour (because it means they didn't plan the project properly), quite the opposite of the other two countries were the "bumms on seats" after 6PM are seen as a good think.
Interestingly, of all 3, the Dutch are the most productive, by far - you do a lot more in term of actual results delivered in 8h/day in The Netherlands than you do in 10-12h/day in Portugal or Britain.
- I agree with the Dutch. 99% of the time ive had to work late/extra it's because the project manager wasn't doing their job and panicked at the last second.

Maybe they all leave as early as possible so as to not have to hang out with this dude.

oh nooo people are not making money for their bosses so sad.

More like Max Burnout amirite???

Poor soul.

It's a tradeoff that hurts? Then go home you silly cunt

Desperately trying to justify wasting his life for nothing.

Fuck this idiot.

Yeah that's about the face I was expecting him to be making. It's the "Please knock my lights out" face. The mental agony face.

Working long hours is sometimes justified: but unless you're the CEO you should be getting extra pay or time off in lieu. Anything else is wage theft.

Staying late and going the extra mile... Of course all paid working hours, right? Right?

As a consultant - fuckin rights it is; what's the charge code for this?

Working anti-cyclical in the shared office space is actually a good idea. Less distractions, better use of the heating.

If you want to hustle, you can totally do shift work hours.

What an asshole.

Everybody probably left when they saw him walk in and didn't want to be around him.

Hmm, do you know what I'm doing at 6:30? I'm hanging w/ my family, and then I'll sometimes WFH on my personal projects. If you're actually side-hustling or running your own business, long hours isn't the solution IMO, instead break up those hours w/ other important things, and fit the work around that.

Good work ethic is when you spend every waking moment working instead of spending time with your family, yourself, your pets, your friends, doing self care, cooking for yourself and/or family.

Sounds like a jolly old life that doesn't it? Sure would love to do that every day until I die.

This guy is a certified nutjob.

Work hard and die young, but at least your produced lots of shareholder value.

Imagine spreading propaganda that hard work for someone else will get you anywhere anymore.

Here's a guy who needs an inoperable tumor at the base of his spine, as the late George Carlin would say.

No.

Dear Max

Fuck off

Love the boot I guess, whatever makes you happy

It is not like Berlin is a cultural hotspot in EU and people have things to do in that city.

Oh wait, it is like that. It also applies to MOST of EU capitals. Weird.

"Business angel" 🤮

Good work ethic is when you spend every waking moment working instead of spending time with your family, yourself, your pets, your friends, doing self care, cooking for yourself and/or family.

Sounds like a jolly old life that doesn't it? Sure would love to do that every day until I die.

Maybe theyre working remotely

Part of the grind is that you must have people see you grinding.

Thing is, no one likes to work in a co-working space. Accelerators have these Hip Spaces which are sometimes used (for Meetings and Workshops) but that is just a perk. Main focus is to get multiplication and contacts. Additionally you can join multiple accelerators (as a startup).

I have rarely seen someone working in such a space and IF it was for a hackathon or due to a "last week crunsh before release".

Home Office .... they key words are home office and core hours (which are a 4H overlap for communication between early birds and night owls)...

There, you have it. That guy has no idea about processes and employee management. This guy is a one man clown show.

I don't like his face.

I would feel so sad for these people, if they weren't trying to make everyone else's lives worse.

"everyone talks about how "hard" they're working and grinding."

Oh yeah? Who? Im willing to bet that everyone in the toxic "self help" podcasts he listens to talks about how hard he should be grinding while the people at his office live normal lives.

lol... return to office, so we can bitch about you leaving after working an entire day.

I... I don't know whether I should upvote or downvote that.