Feds in Catalonia, Spain think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer
Cops in this country think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer (Updated)
TLDR: Drug dealers in Catalonia have started to adopt GrapheneOS en masse leading to Catalan police suspecting anyone with a Google Pixel is a drug dealer
Well I do use a Pixel (for lineage OS) and I do make my living selling drugs... wait wait this is a bad example.
Hey, the security is nice, but I really like the detailed control over notifications, GMS prompts, and network access. When I used PixelOS, my phone did things I didn't want it to, and it was hard or impossible to make it stop. On GrapheneOS, the defaults are a pretty good experience. I even recommend it to non-techies since they can use it with the Google apps and its still a more respectful experience, even if they don't need or want the level of control that I like.
TL; DR-- There are many good reasons for regular people to prefer GrapheneOS
Police are not the brightest in any society.
So I guess somebody needs to tell them that they need to focus their efforts a little better if their current plan is 'anyone with a Google Pixel is a drug dealer'.
Can I suggest they start with the people with drugs, rather than the people with the -- not uncommon - google phones in their search for drug dealers?
Police are not the brightest in any society.
It's a literal job requirement. If you're smart, you're not going to blindly follow orders. Police cognitive testing literally discards candidates that perform well in intellectual tasks. This is not a conspiracy or a joke, it's how police works.
Reminds me of getting a notice in Middle School, decades ago, about how a pager was considered "drug paraphernalia"
There was also a big Bloomberg-Era push by the NYPD to arrest any woman carrying condoms on her person, on the grounds that a woman carrying a condom must be a sex worker.
Everything I hear about Bloomberg make me question how he ran as a democrat, and then I remember he fits the democratic party better than anyone else...
NYC's greatest act was tricking everyone into thinking it's a progressive city. I am interested in Mamdani at least.
Feds???? WTF!
This is a weird advertisement, but I kind of want grapheneOS now.
Been on it for about 19 months now, it's what Android should be.
I have an iPhone since the first one and I wanna try it to.
How it used to be old GSM phones like those from Nokia that were then the thing for the underworld.
The police: 'We've encountered a difficulty with our paid spying software. Welp it must be just the criminals.'
Edit: Missed the R and hit the T on our.
"Feds"
checks Wikipedia page for Spain
Government: "Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy"
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(Sorry for nitpicking lol 😅)
But serious tho:
I kinda hate these weird associations. Its like arresting people who wear glasses because intellectual rebels wear glasses? (Pol Pot?)
Like can't someone just use a phone in peace? Most Pixel users don't even use Graphene OS.
Hey you know what, drug dealers drink water. Lets arrest people who drink water!
If she floats, she's a witch and we'll burn her at the stake.
It's supposed to be kind of sort of federal(ish) (federalish enough, in theory, to keep Catalonia and Euskadi happy enough that we won't want to leave). "States" are called autonomías (autonomies) and have their own government, laws, and institutions, though they still have to obey the Spanish government and most of its laws. It isn't really working.
The article is still wrong when it uses "feds", though, because the cops doing this are the mossos d'esquadra, the Catalan autonomic police, not the "federal(ish)" policía nacional (the Spanish police proper) or guardia civil (despite the name, the military Spanish police, a relic from Franco's dictatorship, like most of the country and its institutions).
Merci per la idea de negoci. (/s)
I was very confused why I could read this without knowing what language it was lol. Catalan is interesting
It’s been influenced by both spanish and french cultural erasure to the point modern catalan is quite similar and readable to people who speak Spanish or French. (Though still quite a distinct language).
Basically, if you don't have a phone the cops can easily backdoor, you must be a criminal.
"What do you have to hide?" taken to it's logical conclusion.
Humans are apes desiring power, there's no excuse under which you can give it to them. They'll invent authority giving them right to judge you and think they are in the right.
Also why I absolutely despise the Silicon Valley - it's many such people who think they are the elite now. I want that place detroited as soon as possible. Zuckerberg prosecuted for all the murders he's committed (I'm certain there are plenty, a person with ASPD with such power just can't be anything else) which are now unknown, Brin and other jerks playing "cooperating with legal elected authorities" while giving them something with no mandate whatsoever feeling themselves powerful - prosecuted for high treason, all these playing censorship and recommendation - prosecuted for scams on the scale of billions, yadda-yadda.
Cops saying this should be immediately sued for inciting hate or defamation or whatever against people who don't want to be backdoored.
I have a right to not be surveilled, they don't have a right to surveil me.
Anyway, I might all the time fly a weird trajectory between various ideologies, but they are all anarchist and Silicon Valley bosses are all thieves.
they are all anarchist and Silicon Valley bosses are all thieves.
Nothing is ever absolute, but Silicon Valley has been going in a consistently bad direction for 20+ years now.
Basically, if you don't have a phone the cops can easily backdoor, you must be a criminal.
... and if it's an obscenely expensive one.
Normal people either can't afford these devices or don't have time for all the hassle of installing and using a rare operating system on a phone.
Pixels are mid range if you buy a generation back. I have 6a and paid $250 two years ago.
No one forces you to root your Pixel, you are allowed to use it with stock android.
You can install Graphene from the browser, it's really not a huge hassle to install especially if you do it right when you get the phone.
Minimum wage in Spain is €1,300 per month. A Pixel 9a is under $500 and under €550 and currently on sale for $449 and €500. A couple of hundred can get you a Pixel 9. What exactly is a not obscenely price for a flagship phone to you?
And I don't even understand your second comment. People spend over an hour a day on social media alone.
So the normal person in Spain could buy this phone and the normal person in Spain does have the time to figure out how to install a "rare" operating system. A "rare" operating system that's free and easily copied.
You can buy a Pixel with Graphene already installed, and they're by no means obscenely expensive.
rare operating system
android
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Normal people either can’t afford these devices or don’t have time for all the hassle
Had a friend who was getting by on $2k/mo and got herself a $1400 top of the line iPhone, because her carrier gave her a reduction in her monthly payment plan (for an obscene amount of debt and locked-in service on the back end). Her brother jail-broke it for her and did the normal "cleaning off all the bloatware" due-diligence.
This is just something we all put up with in the modern day. "Normal people" have a harder time navigating the bullshit, but its a lake we all have to paddle through.
GrapheneOS is most used on old Google Pixels which are anything but "obscenely expensive"
Pixel 9 pro with 512Gb is obscenely expensive. Pixel 8a, with minimal storage is pretty affordable. 7a dare I say cheap.
Interesting, at least four people in my closer circle aren't normal people. Including myself.
The refurbished pixel 8 I bought cost a fraction of what I'd have paid for a new phone and the installation took 5 minutes.
The A series lines have been the best value smartphones generation after generation. I would not say theyre expensive. I have bought each current gen for about $350 or less (excluding tax), no trade in.
This is the best recommendation for a phone I've seen yet.
Thanks catalonian police
Be wary since as of Android 16, Google no longer provides device source for Pixel phones.
I'll keep in mind thanks
They're mad they can't use cellbrite to snoop on properly configured GOS phones and that they actually have to do real police work to catch drug dealers
Yes. They (cellebrite) don't mention GrapheneOS support very loudly because it's poor. They can't decrypt one that's BFU (Before First Unlock), not even by brute force if it's a 6 digit passcode apparently. Don't know if they can get data from an AFU GOS pixel. A year ago when their internal docs leaked, they also had no support for latest iOS at the time, but had brute force support for older versions as long as phone itself wasn't too new and had AFU access without brute force for even older versions.
Moral of the story: if there's a chance police might take your phone to investigate for a crime you hopefully didn't even commit, shut down your phone completely - the 5x power button trick on iOS disables biometric unlock, but the device itself stays decrypted and thus more vulnerable. Also keep your OS up to date.
If you've got a phone that's neither iOS nor GrapheneOS, it's probably pretty much Swiss cheese anyway. IOS isn't as good as GrapheneOS either, but it offers some protection against Cellebrite if up to date and BFU. But if they keep your phone for long enough (months, years), they'll get it unlocked because you can't install updates that would patch any newly discovered vulnerabilities and one day they'll find a BFU unlock for it, probably.
Graphene OS in particular comes with a default feature enabled called Auto Reboot to protect against this. I think it's set to 18 hours by default because that's what mine is, but you can go as low as 4 hours.
If you have it set to four hours, I'd wager your phone would reset way before the pigs had enough time to try and get their way in.
Grapheneos also has options to just disable data over the USB port when its locked. Or disable it outright.
Does a full shutdown encrypt all contents on iOS? This is something that everyone entering the USA as I have to do annually needs to think about.
Sounds like a good recommendation.
Yeah, this is legitimately an amazing ad, though Google may bot want it because they probably make more money off your data than you buying the device.
Doesn't a Google Pixel device come with its own OS image by default, independent of Graphene OS? Is there some kind of step that we're missing here?
Yes. Cops are idiots. Duh.
It does, but a lot of people but the pixels specifically to put graphene on it because graphene they're compatible and graphene offers better privacy and security. What I'm getting here is drug dealers are using graphene to dodge digital narcs and it's becoming common enough that the Venn diagram skews heavily to drug dealing.
You can buy them with either stock Android, or Graphene. Meaning you don't need to re flash the device or anything.
You cant buy grapheneos preloaded on anything and doing so would be pretty foolish since it could be backdoored. GraphenOS is aimed at people who value security and privacy, you dont let some rando flash your phone if you value those things.
I think this is incorrect but I could be wrong.
You can not buy a Pixel device preloaded with GrapheneOS. They only come from Google with their standard Android and it's up to the end user to install GrapheneOS. Unless you buy a used Pixel device with GrapheneOS already installed.
The cops quite obviously don't think owning a Pixel makes somebody a drug dealer. But if they arrest or detain a suspect then owning a Pixel flashed with GrapheneOS isnt exactly a sign of innocence. Even if nothing could be extracted from the phone, I'm sure a judge and jury could be convinced what they were doing if they have such a device in their possession.
Also, regardless of the security the OS claims to have, most criminals are not the brightest and I bet some can be squeezed to hand over the key or the phone can be unlocked with a face id or fingerprint. It also motivates the cops to do what they've done in the past where they have compromised supposedly secure operating systems or apps and installed backdoors.
Why would they need a "sign of innocence"?
This is not hard to understand.
Having a phone installed with an OS favoured by criminals doesn't exculpate a person arrested for criminal activity, or make the cops think they're innocent.
How's Catalan independence going
The right (or far right) will probably win the next Spanish elections, which might rekindle independentist sentiment (both left and right have traditionally fucked with Catalonia, but the right has worse excuses), but personally I think we lost our best opportunity when we didn't follow up on the 2017 declaration of independence.
The far righ would straight try to genocide us, so there might be an opportunity there. We need to be uncomfortable enough to get off our fat arses and work for our freedom, like back in the 2010s.
thank you! good luck!
any moment now
TLDR: Drug dealers in Catalonia have started to adopt GrapheneOS
Gonna guess that's probably a lie.
Why?
I don't doubt the claim, but I would imagine others do because there's a relatively minor technical skill hurdle on replacing a phone's operating system which would turn most people away.
I never used a Pixel or Graphene OS, but when I installed Lineage OS on a Redmi, Xiaomi made me wait a week to unlock the bootloader. Huge pain in the ass.
Or there might be a better "drug-dealer-friendly" OS. I only know of Lineage and Graphene as open source alternatives, so I could just be speculating.
Also, all my former drug dealers used WhatsApp on the stock vendor OS. But then again... I live in South Africa, so the police are more focused on violent crimes (both enforcement and perpetration)
Spain? Federal? Must be the victim of that American “education”.
It's supposed to be kind of sort of federal(ish) (federalish enough, in theory, to keep Catalonia and Euskadi happy enough that we won't want to leave). "States" are called autonomías (autonomies) and have their own government, laws, and institutions, though they still have to obey the Spanish government and most of its laws. It isn't really working.
The article is still wrong when it uses "feds", though, because the cops doing this are the mossos d'esquadra, the Catalan autonomic police, not the "federal(ish)" policía nacional (the Spanish police proper) or guardia civil (despite the name, the military Spanish police, a relic from Franco's dictatorship, like most of the country and its institutions).
Lol, yes, posted at late American time, mentioning "feds" in EU, for a split second I thought we had a major international incident because some stupid badged individuals powertripped to Spain 'to bust a crim'nl'.
I'm glad they didn't, tho it would be at last something to read about.
Spain can get fucked. They hate tourists and air conditioning too.
Your Airbnb was someone's home.
Aaand don't come back!
You clearly don't live in a tourist heavy zone. Also the fact that you generalise what some locals in selected very tourist heavy cities are doing with the whole fucking country is very telling. We are better without you <3
there's nothing wrong with being anti-gentrification. don't act like a tourist and you'll be fine
You're allowed to be as anti-tourist as you would like but don't even dare say anything about migrants or else you'll get hit with hate speech charges
Reminds me of when the US tried to fight "terror" by kidnapping people and shoving them in Gitmo because they were wearing Casio watches, which is apparently a brand favoured by terrorists.