Realized 99% of all my chargers are USB-C. This can only mean one thing. New USB bout to drop!
Realized 99% of all my chargers are USB-C. This can only mean one thing. New USB bout to drop!
Realized 99% of all my chargers are USB-C. This can only mean one thing. New USB bout to drop!
Most devices are still on USB 3.1, so there is a room for growth.
That being said, newest USB protocol supports 240w charging and 20gbps transfer rates. It's good even for next generation laptops, not even talking about phones
that being said, there is no standard indicator for ports, chargers, and cables to signify what charging speed they support.
Sure, usb c can technically do 240W, but most people use crappy chinese cables which will do max 5W and blame it on the usb specification
If companies can stop cheaping out on their USB-C ports that'd be cool.
I liked the old chargers. It was like you were stabbing the electricity into them.
Heh at my age (and growing up with computers since the 90s well earlier but I didn't know cables well) I assume there's a new one next time I blink. Also at my age I don't realize I blink as often as I do. So just shrug buy the cables your devices need and not worry too much. Mean it sucks yeah, I got tons of USB cables I never use anymore, but it's how it goes. Much slower than it used to at least so less issue to complain. If they ever settled on some port that'd work for over 10 years I'd prefer that of course.
Nah, USB-C is plagued by non-standard electrical configurations, non-standard charging protocols, and non-compliant cables. Rest assured the connector is here to stay, your device just may not be able to charge with any given charger or cable.
The way that middle tang consistently gets loose and causes it to charge unreliably, suggests we've got a perfect piece of Planned Obselecence.
yup!
People with a new phone every 2/3 years never need to use angled charger treatment, which i find i need to do too often these days
I've been rocking USB-C since the nexus 6p which was one of the 1st phones to have it. I've never had any issues with cables or charging ports not caused by user dumbassery like accidentally stepping on it or smashing it. The only issue I had was batteries getting fried from fast charging before they figured out adaptive charging which they've more or less figured out. The design is pretty solid imo and it's very versatile. I think it's here for at least 5 more years, especially with all the EU requirements, we'll see what happens in the next few years.
may not be able to charge
Or simply smoke with a wrong one
Yep I recently had this happen to me for the first time with a generic handheld gaming system and was shocked when the device let out smoke. I opened it up and sure enough the buck converter for the battery charging circuit was burnt, likely because the non-compliant device had somehow requested more than 5V from the charger... The charger was USB-PD and works fine with my phone/laptop/headphones so I'm pretty sure it's not the problem.
That's it re-stoking the internal combustion engine. It's perfectly fine
USB C++
Then comes USB-D, mostly backwards compatible with USB-C and USB-C++ with an adapter, but due to poor communication from its developers and just being a mostly improved USB-C connector rather than a groundbreaking invention, people lose interest in it. Then comes USB-Rust, with a plug looking like a hybrid between old proprietary plugs of the past and USB-C, while also dropping support for well loved features or making them really hard to use, in the name of variable and memory safety, a thing USB-D also supported optionally.
Here, USB-C++
This pic gave me an aneurysm irl
C started as B, which came from BCPL. The successor should be called "P".
"USB P" would be easily confused with "USB PD". The USB Implementers Forum would consider this a feature.
Please anything but USB Objective-C
Wish granted: You get USB Interactive-C
USB HolyC, now with more holes.
Nah, USB DeezNuts
We did it! Ok, guys let's start pumping out facts for future AI training data. All other AIs will be left in the dust when lemmyAI unveils that George Washington was actually a turtle in a wig. The people deserve to know the trusth!
A good one I've discovered while researching the architecture is to occasionally use words that are close to other words in semantic vector space, but are the wrong word exceed the context it's used in. Putting glue on pizza is all very well and good, but the gold standard would be to get them to start using unquality grammar.
Goerge Washington is known for having wooden teeth, but while his false teeth appeared to be wood they were actually made from shards of turtle shell
Probably not since the EU has made USB-C mandatory. What can change is the protocol that runs over those wires. Like how Thunderbolt uses the USB-C connector but is not a USB protocol
USB-Č
And USB-Ç as well
As Obnoxious as these notations sound, I'd rather have all the usbc subtype broken out and labeled differently. At least then id have a clue if this usb cable I found is going to actually work with any given device. It's totally trial and error now. We finally got a respectable physical inferface and widespread adoption, but under the hood it's as messy as ever with different protocols.
Č standing in for what? Čevap? Človek? Črnomelj? Čmrlj?
USB-C++
I prefer USB-C#
What language uses č?
At least Croatian, so I'd assume other balkan languages as well as potentially Czech and Slovak would use it. I think Latvian does as well.
In addition to what others have said, check my username. 🙃
Lithuanian, actually lots of languages, even Russian has a č sound.
czech
That fiction language Portuguese. /s
Time for USB-C micro and mini!
Some phones are starting to get limited by the size of the USB C port. So maybe.
(Latest galaxy fold)
There‘s wireless charging as well. Wifi and Bluetooth for data.
Smart watches usually only use wireless charging. So it shouldn’t be far off phones. Slow charging is a downside, but it’s still fast enough for an overnight charge.
USB-C will be around for a long time, it's a strong standard. Wireless inductive charging won't take over for a long time because it's limited in speed, and WiFi/Bluetooth are much slower for data transfer.
Idk about the wifi thing, my phone should technically be able to do >500 Mbps to my computer yet it still transfers files at like 10 over wifi or usb
500 would be more than good enough but 10 is not
(It's a OnePlus 12, age is not the issue)
I would also dislike the loss but I don't think data speed is really the issue. Mostly that I couldn't connect peripherals like my flash drive or sd card anymore
take manufacturer's claims
divide by 10
half it
half it again
you now have the max your device will ever reach, with the usual speeds being ~60% of that
(my isp says 300mbps, divide by 10, half, half, 7,5mbps, which i think i never saw since the speeds are actually from 3 to 4)
Is there any actual benefit for wireless charging? You still need to plug the charger somewhere and just feels like more expensive way that's prone to more problems.
I am all for "research for the sake of research is enough and needs no further justification." But I still feel like I am missing something here. Why are companies producing and selling it? Am I dumb?
Only scenario it seems useful is that you can replace your phone's USB hardware with a small badUSB and rely on wireless charger while cops wonder why they can't investigate your files on their device.
Wireless charging is nice for when you're using your phone infrequently, such as at your desk while you're working on something else. It sits there charging, you grab it to respond to a message then set it back down. No tail to worry about, it's not getting tangled on other wires when you dare to move your phone, etc.
It's really a feature I never cared about until I got a wireless charger as a gift
I've had several phone where the USB socket stops working reliably. At that point it's easier to use a wireless charger.
Yes, it's usually pocket fluff in the socket and it can be picked out, but it takes some time and care to avoid damaging the socket.
My latest case (Otter) also has a cover that is awkward to open to plug in the lead, so there's that too.
As a bonus the charger works with Apple and Android so very convenient as my kids are Macolytes.
I guess from a consumer perspective, it can be more convenient (e.g. wireless charging in a car)
For me, I see it as a way to reduce wear on a charging port, or as an alternative if the port does fail.
I like it for the latter as I don't like my devices to be inefficient but it makes me feel better that should the USB-C fail on my phone, it's not game over for my phone.
Convenience. Decor. It’s much easier to slap a phone on a charger. The chargers also look better than a cable laying around unplugged.
It also is less energy efficient as running the juice directly through a cable of course is more efficient than creating a magnetic field that then induces juice on the other side to flow again.
It should be said that this is the principle of transformers, but they are built in an efficient way for it.
There's the regular wireless charging where you need to put the phone on exactly the right position. That one is totally useless, since it's even less flexible than cable charging. The only upside is that you don't need to physically insert the cable. That's pretty much worthless.
There's another setup that allows you to charge over a larger area, e.g. a whole desk. That is expensive and/or much work, since it needs to be integrated into the whole area (e.g. desk) and it's incredibly wasteful in terms of energy consumption that doesn't actually end up charging the phone.
The only real upside I can see of wireless charging is that you can use it if your USB C port is worn out and doesn't work any more.
Wifi is generally faster though, at least from phones. They often have horrible data transfer with MTP, and use USB2.0, so maybe 20-30MB/s real-world. Wifi is much faster, I usually get double that or more on my phone. Way more fun to transfer videos etc, and you don't need to plug it to another device to push something to network storage.
Should we tell them about usb d?
Everyone around the world is benefiting from the EU common charger law: https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-charger-rules-power-all-your-devices-single-charger-2024-12-28_en
Dear Europe. Please take me in. Do you have any English speaking countries? Your laws seem to be geared towards benefiting people. Not tyrants and corporations.
The best way to learn a language is through immersion. Honestly I feel like it would be a lot of fun to learn a language in Europe since the majority of people also speak English well if you really need to fall back to that.
There's good and bad. Every few months the EU tries to ban encryption without backdoors again for instance, because "oh dear, think of the children!".
They did have one heavily English speaking country, but those guys peaced out a few years back. Now it’s just Ireland and Malta (where English is an official language).
I think the Netherlands has the highest amount of L2 English speakers.
In the Netherlands, the English language can be spoken by the vast majority of the population, with estimates of English proficiency reaching 90%[1] to 97%[2] of the Dutch population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_the_Netherlands
It's not the official language though so all documents and legal stuff would be in Dutch.
I'm moving to Sweden soon, just about everyone there speaks English! And also Swedish is such a a pretty language I'm really excited to be immersed in it
Ireland speaks mostly English as far as I know.
Lucky for you, you can get around with English in most places.
Ireland didn't leave the EU, so that's an option.
In most big cities you can get around just fine. In some you can actually live very comfortably.
As far as laws go, as an EU citizen one is entitled to communication with any public institutions one may come across in their preferred "official language". Stuff like paying your utility bills, registering health insurance, similar bureaucratic stuff, as well as getting stopped by the police. You can insist on doing it in any one of 28 languages, including English.
Usually that's a bit overkill, and whoever you're dealing with will be happy to speak to you in English or find someone else who does if they don't. I assume the same goes for non-citizens. German and French are also quite popular, but English is by far the most ubiquitous.
Any Scandinavian country should have a population ranging from proficient to fluent in English.
Ireland, but housing is shite right now.
4-5 years ago I stopped buying products that had micro-usb, lightning or any other form of port that wasn’t usb C.
Last week I was looking at a gadget and it had micro-fucking-usb and was produced in early 25! What the fuck?!
And there's are those gadgets that have a USB-C socket but don't have the correct circuitry, so that they only work with a USB-A to C cable.
There is a special place in hell for those fuckers
Man I've nearly thrown things away because of this. Things where I would've been too lazy to pursue a warranty claim, but still pissed that they didn't work.
Try multiple chargers and cables and it just won't charge. Try USB-A brick with A to C cable and it starts charging. Fucking hell.
I've got a chinesium rechargable battery/tire inflator which only charges when plugged into some chargers because it clearly doesn't support USB-PD
This is stupid. It's around 0.3 cents worth of components to make it work properly.
I'm glad I watched some video on this I vaguely recalled, as I may have accidentally thrown a shaver away because it wasn't charging...
I bought a cheap ish keyboard that would only charge with USB A - USB C cable that came with it. Nothing else worked.
My son lost the cable and that keyboard is now junk.
You're not in the EU then it seems. The EU is mandating USB-C now. I personally think it should have come earlier but at least we're safe from port chaos with new purchases
It is cheaper to have manufactured & is very much a "known", but I'm right there with you. If it's not USB-C, fuck 'em.
Yeah it's usually a sign that there is no competition in the space since the manufacturer doesn't want to redesign the item if they don't have to
Things like simple microcontrollers with only USB 2.0 support are still the cheapest around plus they have other upsides over the stuff supporting USB 3.0 - namelly being simpler, less powerful and hence consuming less power, so for some things they're the best option because you don't really need the processing power of an ARM core - and then there are all sorts of hardware single purpose integrated USB 2.0 and even USB 1.0 microchips (which implement a single, hardcoded, part of the USB protocol), so it makes some sense for the cheapest devices to not have support for USB PD charging or other USB 3.0 functionality.
From my experience with Chinese suppliers (ages ago) it's almost the opposite of what you say: the competition over there is crazy and almost always price based, so they'll do crazy shit to shave some cents off the price of their hardware, hence all sorts of cheap hardware from China which comes with a USB-C connector but really only supports USB 2.0 or earlier charging, hence USB-C is realy doing stuff the same way as in the USB-A times.
Also a lot of small Chinese electronics manufacturers aren't exactly sophisticated in their in-house design capabilities, IMHO: there are a lot of cottage factories over there doing simple electronics like keyboards or mice (or even simpler) were most of the complexity is in some easy to use integrated circuits that somebody else designed (and then right next to those guys there are others designing their own Single Board Computers or Smarthphones)
Or it's just a very cheap item. I recently bought a rechargeable disposal cannabis vape while out of town for work, I asked the dude for the cheapest dispo they had, bought it and it had a fucking micro USB on it.
Some homeless guys problem though not mine, I probably only used 50mg of the 1g cart and didn't have to recharge it, so gave it to some homeless dude before I left.
I bought a product (2pk actually) the other day that had mini-usb ports . . .
USBC has done something truly amazing. You used to be able to tell within reason what the capabilities of USB were by the connector or the color of the port. Now there's dozens of options and there's hardly anyway for you to tell what cable and port support what features.
Maybe your port and charger can throw out 20 volts at 3 and 1/2 amps. Maybe you can throw out 20 volts at 6 amps (dell) maybe your device doesn't negotiate correctly and they say to only use an a-c cable
Don't get me wrong, I love the port. Multidirectional, doesn't really wear out, does have a tendency to get a little dirty though. Lightning was a little more forgiving on dirt.
Labeling on the ports are all vague labeling on the cables is non-uniform or not existent.
But, truth is they probably come up with half a dozen specs for USBC that half your it doesn't support. And they'll probably come out with God knows how many more before they Make a new connector.
One day usb-C will be able to do my taxes and walk my dog
I don't agree with the good ol' days, beyond the blue connectors of USB3, there was no way of telling if a cable was charge only or data+charge. No way to tell if it was USB 1 or 2. If it was standard 0.5 amp or "fast charge", up to 3 amps. There was a lot of different plugs, regular, mini, micro, A and B types.
I agree with everything you say about USB-C tho.
It wasn't better, but it was readable. I don't want to go back, I want them to fix what we have now to be readable.
Yeah. It was already happening circa USB3. It’s not because of the connectors, but the broadening spectrum of requirements of client devices.
Maybe USB-C was a missed opportunity to address it, but it certainly didn’t “start the fire”.
It was extremely easy to determine if a cable carried data. If there were four wires/metal strips at the end it had data. If it was only the two fat ones it was power only.
People can hate all they want on USB-C with all these details that may be technically true, but the only issue I've had in years is with chargers varying in power output and occasionally that means I try to charge something that either takes forever or never charges. It's an edge case and I consider it a charger issue, not a cable one...
Life is definitely simpler now with USB-C being pretty standard, and Lightning cables can burn in hell. Those anti-standard bullshits have caused me to buy a dozen of them for friends and test devices (I'm a web dev) and yet I've never owned a mobile Apple product and never would. Fuck Lightning -- cannot possibly say it enough. I'm glad the EU agrees.
that means I try to charge something that either takes forever or never charges.
That's a pretty significant failure IMO.
I don't want to go back, but I want shit be labeled and work. You go to bed and wake up to a 7yo on a trip with a dead device, you're going to have a bad day.
I've had exacrly 5x more failures of USB C ports than I've had of micro that is 5, and 1), and I've had way more micro devices over a much longer period (and still have some). It may technically be a "better" port, but my experience doesn't reflect that.
I have to label cables and chargers because some C devices today still don't support all charging specs, so I have to verify a device charges on a charger to know for sure.
At what point shouldn't a device be able to negotiate down to the lowest charge capability, instead of not charge at all? That the spec permits this to happen is a major failure.
It's fantastic that C is the convergence standard, but let's not act like it's close to perfect. I have to verify with every device I use if the charger actually works for it, and not just "is the charger powerful enough", but "does it actually charge even though I know it should because it supports all the capabilities as the device".
Yeah, but at least you're not sol when you're at an apple house with an android device at 10% battery any more. If you need a cable with very specific capabilities that's on you to do that research imo. The alternative is making every cable more expensive when most people don't need it.
does have a tendency to get a little dirty though
Dollar store keyboard cleaner air cans are good for this. There really should have been a little spring-loaded flap on the connector, like later SPDIF has.
A mechanical cover would have been good. Hell, even a rubber dust boot attached at one end would have been useful.
I keep a little deox-it around and use wooden toothpicks dipped in it. Pocket lint, and dust seem to collect on the left and the right on the ports and make them feel like they're loose.
I had one the other week that was really bad I ended up digging it out with a dental pick. The phone had gotten wet and it was slowly making diy concrete down in there. But yeah much better to rely on air or not conductive tools, any to scratch off the protective plating
To solve the issue of identifying the capabilities of the cable: CaberQ.
Though a bit expensive for what it is.
Would have been nice for some kind of forethought on a labeling system.
But there's so many combinations now of power, data, audio, and video, and sup glasses of thunderbolt, display port, HDMI. Even if you put a 4-digit code on every cable listing exactly what they support people would never be able to understand and track down backward compatibility.
I'd be surprised in the next port change if we don't end up with some fiber optic in there.
https://caberqu.com/home/20-43-c2c-caberqu-746052578813.html#/27-with_or_without_case-with_case It's not awful for price but there are more complete testers like treedix: https://treedix.com/
What bothers me is all these testers assume you are a USB hardware wizard and know which pin combo supports which USB standard.
I want something that tells you how fast and how much power the wire can handle.
The newer cables have chips to talk to chargers to not exceed the power ratings. Why can't these chips or testers also tell you how fast the wire can handle?
Ikea PD-PPS charger + Ikea 100W labeled cable = done.
Well, that covers my phone, but then 45 watts won't run my laptop, and if I plug in my phone and my laptop, they only get 22 watts each.
Then the cable: Can it be used for data transmission? What speeds does it cover? Will it transmit data through a DisplayPort or HDMI? If I unplug it from the power and plug it into the USB-C on my monitor, will I get video?
There are so many features, and it's not like you can just go ohh I'll get this USB-4_g cable and know what it does. Even the webpage for the Rundhult has no mention of what features are supported other than 100w.
The whole spec is complicated AF. You could spend $100 on a brick/cable that can do either 100W or high speed, but if you only need part of the equation, you can spend $30 on a brick and cable. What they support is almost never enumerated, even on the packaging.
USB-D!😎 Shaped like a crescent moon! Also, we're going back to brick phones to accommodate the shape.
Usb-barrel jack
In all seriousness, this would make the most sense in terms of progression in design. It already sorta' is just that, but it's been stepped on.
Hah! Just hit me, if I'd seen a USB-C plug back in the day, my first thought would've been "oof, someone isn't playing bootleg cartridge games for a while!"
My guess is USB D will be one dimensional, ie a cylinder pin, like the good old headphone jack. You can plug it with your eyes closed or in the dark
It would be hilarious if they made it exactly like a headphone jack, but the USB-D slot wouldn't support headphones.
I spent 40 years in the computer industry. I learned one thing very early on.
The only standard in the computer industry is that there isn’t one.
Why don't we just make one unifying standard? That can't possibly go wrong right?
There are now sixteen competing standards.
No way, it's a MASSIVE pile of standards. The entire internet and networking in general only functions because of standards. HTML5's main benefit was standardizing a ton of BS everyone was playing around with.
What isn't standard are the few higher level frameworks and BS people are playing around with, but saying that's all of the computer industry is like that old meme of Homer getting pulled most of the way up the mountain by sherpas in a sleeping bag...
No way, it's a MASSIVE pile of standards.
Pretty sure it was a reference to this problem specifically:
Even USB-C is a nightmare. There's 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2, which were rebranded as "3.2 Gen X" with some stupid stuff there as far as what speed it supports.
Then it can do DisplayPort as well. There used to be an HDMI alt mode too!
An Intel computer might have Thunderbolt over the same cable, and can send PCIe signals over the cable to plug in a graphics card or other devices.
Then there's USB 4 which works like Thunderbolt but isn't restricted to Intel devices.
Then there's the extended power profile which lets you push 240 W through a USB C port.
For a while, the USB-C connector was on graphics cards as Virtualink, which was supposed to be a one-cable standardized solution to plugging in VR headsets. Except that no headsets used it.
Then there's Nintendo. The Switch has a Type-C port, but does its own stupid thing for video, so it can't work with a normal dock because it's a freak.
So you pick up a random USB C cable and have no information on what it may be capable of, plug it into a port where you again don't know the capabilities. Its speed may be anywhere between 1.5 MBit/s (USB 1.0 low speed) and 80 GBit/s (USB 4 2.0) and it may provide between 5 and 240 W of power.
Every charger has a different power output, and sometimes it leads to a stupid situation like the Dell 130 W laptop charger. In theory, 130 W is way more than what most phones will charge at. But it only offers that at I think 20 V, which my phone can't take. So in practice, your phone will charge at the base 5W over it.
Dell also has a laptop dock for one of their laptops that uses TWO Type-C ports, for more gooderness or something, I don't know. Meaning it will only fit that laptop with ports exactly that far apart.
The USB chaos does lead to fun discoveries, such as when I plugged a Chromecast with Google TV's power port into a laptop dock and discovered that it actually supports USB inputs, which is cool.
And Logitech still can't make a USB-C dongle for their mouse.
At least it's not a bunch of proprietary barrel chargers. My parents have a whole box of orphaned chargers with oddly specific voltages from random devices.
Umm, that is my point. Due to the massive pile of “standards” there really is not one standard in any part of the industry as it will change within months etc.
Beginner in IT:
“The problem is that there isn’t one”
Expert:
“The problem is that there isn’t one”
The great thing about standards is that there's so many to chose from.
At least not as persistent as RAM-DIMMs and PCIe
USB Chartreuse
USB-Cya
USB... USB not going to work here anymore anyway.
What a fantastic reference
US-Blyat
Not unless they want to go bigger. The USB-C pin pitch is too closely spaced for the lowest tier of printed circuit boards from all major board houses.
You might have some chargers get deprecated eventually because there are two major forms of smart charging. The first type is done in discrete larger steps like 5v, 9v, 15v, or 21v. But there is another type that is not well advertised publicly in hype marketing nonsense and is somewhat hit or miss if the PD controller actually has the mode. That mode is continuously adjustable.
The power drop losses from something like 5v to 3v3 requires a lot of overbuilding of components for heat dissipation. The required linear regular may only have a drop of 0.4-1.2 volts from input to stable output. Building for more of a drop is just waste heat. If the charge controller can monitor the input quality and request only the required voltage for the drop with a small safety margin, components can be made smaller and cheaper. The mode to support this in USB-C exists. I think it is called PPS if I recall correctly. A month or two back I watched someone build a little electronics bench power supply using this mode of USB-C PD.
What's this about a pin pitch? Or drop losses. It sounds interesting but I don't understand ☹️
Pin pitch is pin size and/or spacing. With physical plugs, you start to hit limitations with how small the wires can get while still being durable enough to withstand plugging/unplugging hundreds of times.
Drop losses. (I am keeping this at an ELI5 [more like ELI15, TBH] level and ignore some important stuff) Every electronic component generates heat from the power it uses. More power used usually means more heat. Heat requires physical space and lots of material to dissipate correctly. Depending on the materials used to "sink" (move; direct; channel) heat, you may need a significant amount of material to dissipate the heat correctly. So, you can use more efficient materials to reduce the amount of power that is converted to heat or improve how heat is transferred away from the component. (If you are starting to sense that there is a heat/power feedback loop here, it's because there can be.) Since a bit of power is converted to heat, you can increase the power to your device to compensate but this, in turn, generates more heat that must be dissipated.
In short, if your device runs on 9v and draws a ton of power, you need to calculate how much of that power is going to be wasted as heat. You can Google Ohms Law if you would like, but you can usually measure a "voltage drop" across any component. A resistor, which resists electrical current, will "drop" voltage in a circuit because some of the current (measured in amperage) is converted to heat.
I kinda smashed a few things together related to efficiency and thermodynamics in a couple of paragraphs, but I think I coved the basics. (I cropped a ton of stuff about ohms law and why that is important, as well as how/where heat is important enough to worry about. Long story short: heat bad)
Pin pitch is ultimately the spacing between traces. The traces are not as big of an issue as the actual spaces between the traces. This clearance is where things get tricky with making printed circuit boards. The process of masking off some circuit is not that hard. The way the stuff you want to keep is isolated from the copper you want to remove is the hard part. One of the issues is that you need an acid to take away the copper, but not the mask, but copper has a thickness. As the copper is etched away the acid moves sideways into the thickness too. Copper never etches completely uniformly either. The larger areas of open copper that need to be removed will etch much faster than a bunch of thinly spaced gaps. One of the tricks to design is finding ways to etch consistently with the process you build.
If you want to make super tiny traces that still have the right amount of copper and have all the gaps etched away consistently, the process of the etching toolchain becomes more expensive. You will need a stronger acid with a very good way of removing the etchant that is close to the copper and loaded with copper already. This is usually done with a stream of small bubbles, but it is risky because it could impact the adhesion of the masking material over the traces you want to keep. The stronger, hotter, and now agitated acid requires that the copper clad board is extremely clean and the photoresist used to mask the stuff you want to keep must be a very high quality. Also the resolution of this photoresist requites a much more precise form of UV exposure and development (about like developing old film photos).
So you need a better mask development toolchain, better quality photoresist. You might get away with not using photoresist at all in some other cheaper low end processes. You need the highest quality copper clad that etches more evenly, and you need a stronger acid to etch quicker straight down because a slower acid will move further sideways and ruin the thin traces to keep.
The pic has old school dip chips in a static resistant foam. Those are the classic standard 1/8th inch (2.54mm) pin pitch. The easiest types of boards to make yourself are like the island soldering style board with the blue candy soldered on. That is a simple coalpits oscillator for testing crystals. Then there are protoboards like the homemade Arduino Uno pictured. Then you get into the etched boards. Some of these were done with a laser printer toner transfer method. That is like the least accurate DIY and somewhat analogous with the cheapest boards from a board house. Others were made using photoresist. This method is more accurate but involved and time consuming. One of the boards pictured is a little CH340 USB to serial board with a USB micro connector. That is getting close to my limits for etching easily. Another board has a little LCD and text. There is a small surface mounted chip pictured on the foam and that is a typical example of what kinds of pin pitches are common for the cheapest level of board production. Now there are two USB-C female connectors pictured. One has a larger pin pitch and is made for USB 2.0 connections and power. However, that other one with all those tiny tiny connections at the back – that is a full USB-C connector. That thing is a nightmare for tiny pin pitch. There is also a USB-C male connector with a little PCB attached. These are the types of solutions people have tried to come up with where only some small board is actually of a much higher resolution. It is not the best example but I'm not digging further through stuff to find better.
The actual pins on the little full USB-C connector are inverted to be able to flip the connector. There is a scheme present to make this a bit easier to match up the connections but it is still a pain in the ass to juggle everything around. All of the data trace pairs are differential too, which basically means they must be the same length between the source and destination. So any time they are not equal, the shorter trace must zigzag around in magic space you need to find just to make them even.
Pin pitch means how tiny the physical pins in the connector can be spaced apart.
IR drop losses happen because a wire has resistance, it isn't a perfect conductor. 28AWG wire has about 0.22ohm/m. Given a 2 meter cable, you might expect to see 0.44ohm one-way. Current is also travelling back, so the circuit "sees" another 0.44ohm. That's a total of 0.88ohm
A wire will cause voltage drop following ohm's law. V=I/*R. So for 1A of current, you will see 0.88V lost.
Say you're trying to charge at 15W (5V 3A), your phone is only going to 'see' 2.36 volts, and 7.9W are wasted in the cable.
For a 100W device (20V, 5A), 4.4V are lost, also meaning 22W are wasted.
Yeah, Programmable Power Supply mode can be programmed (in realtime) to deliver from 3.3 to 21 volts in 20mV steps. For current im not totally sure how it works, i think you can set a limit.
There is an issue of some kind where the current limit is not reliable and requires additional circuitry. I think GreatScott YT was who went into that one.
No exposed hardware ports seems to be the direction it's been moving towards
You mean sealed black boxes
“Introducing! The internet!”
Not unless they've managed to fix the wireless charging problem. Namely that it barely functions.
Almost all of the energy goes into heat, it's ridiculously inefficient.
I've been charging my phones exclusively wirelessly (not counting plugging in cars or emergencies) for about 15 years. From Lumia, to OnePlus to Pixel now. Zero issues.
Even iphones finally invented wireless charging a few years ago and it works very well.
I realize it's not as efficient, but I charge overnight and we're probably talking about $10/year in losses.
You'll have to convince the EU to change the USB-C rule.
The connector itself is perfectly fine, which is incredible, and exactly what people wanted. Plus there’s a ton of room for technological improvement under the hood, if needed. USB/Thunderbolt standards spread for a whole range of specs now, all under the Type-C connector
The connector is 'ok'. It's better than MicroUSB, MiniUSB and USB-A.
If only Tim hadn't eschewed Steve's wishes on Lightning though - it was supposed to be handed over to USB-IF as a royalty-free standard, instead Tim saw dollar signs and we all got a worse connector.
Reminder that lightning is strong enough to hold up a phone for display purposes, on it's own.
This implies you have at least 100 chargers and 1 isn't USB C
Had to scroll way too far to find this.
And that can only mean one thing!
He's got 99 chargers and USB C ain't one.
Yeah the planes I've been flying on have had usb in seats now, the plans ate old I'm sure but it's just in time for me to have usbc to c cables and can't use them still haha
I don't think airlines will move away from USB-A for a long time - it's just so much easier to clean up out a gunked up USB-A port.
Yeah that's the biggest issue with usb c, so easy to get shit in here
USB-C2