Father kills teen daughter after she refused to delete TikTok account, Pakistan police say

It's insane how twisted in the head you have to be to think that killing your daughter is the honorable thing to do!
Religion is harmful to both individuals and society. Extreme religion is extremely harmful to both individuals and society.

I’m willing to bet this is less about religion and more about an awful piece of shit human. There’s many cases of people killing their kids in the US that have nothing to do with religion. Just assholes that shouldn’t exist.
I do agree that religion sucks and encourages awful people, but to murder your kid you have to be a deranged human to begin with.
- many cases of people killing their kids in the US
  We can take a look at honour killings ?
  In 1989 in St. Louis, Missouri, sixteen-year-old Palestina (Tina) Isa was murdered by her Palestinian father, Zein Isa
  Amina and Sarah Said were the children of an Egyptian immigrant father Yaser Abdel Said
  Sandeela Kanwal was a Pakistani woman living in the Atlanta metropolitan area in Clayton County, Georgia, who was murdered by her father Chaudhry Rashid[1] in an honor killing, on July 6, 2008
  In February 2009, Muzzammil Hassan (Pakistani American) was arrested and charged with murdering his estranged wife Aasiya Zubair with a knife
  Faleh Hassan Almaleki, an Iraqi immigrant, used his vehicle to strike and kill his daughter Noor Almaleki (aged 20) in a Phoenix valley parking lot in October 2009
  Jordanian-American Ali Mahmood Awad Irsan was sentenced to death in a Texas court on August 14, 2018, for the murders of Gelareh Bagherzadeh and Coty Beavers in Greater Houston
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States
  Something in common with them all, I don't know what 🤔
I live in a country where I've heard a 15-16yo Pakistani kid on a packed bus state he was going to kill his sister because he didn't like who she was dating - and that he had hit her before because of it. I don't think most people have any idea how normalised it is in their culture. The country is England.
Not sure if this is relevent, but I just wanna share my story.
My mom wants me dead because I have depression.
Not schizophrenia, not sociopathy/psychopathy, just being a little more sad than "normal".
The reasoning? "Because you wouldn't be able to enjoy life anyways, and your life is meaning less", threatning to leave me out of the will because "you can just get welfare from the government", despite me helping her with a lot of her stuff like bussiness licenses, filing taxes, translation (they are first-gen immigrants), etc. Like wtf is this concept of leaving someone with nothing when they have been so helpful throughout your life, just because "you have depression and you are no longer useful to society". Then put obstacles in me getting antidepresdants because "you can't be relying on meds for the rest of your life, just go outside" bitch wtf? Go outside to the ICE agents swarming the streets?
(I'm Chinese-American)
I mean at lesst I'm not dead yet, so I probably don't deserve to complain too much, some people have it worse than me, I mean this person in the article literally got murdered. Tbh there were moments when I was a teen that I thought my mom was gonna stab me when I sleep. The fact I'm even alive is a miracle.
This toxic culture is why I never want to return to PRC, not to mention, the CCP problem.
But... now... the USA is also on fire becauses... I mean... you know... current events...
Life is going great! 🫠
Can't complain! (literally can't complain else you get arrested)
- In my country you can't disinherit your children.
- That's horrible, I don't really know what to say, except best wishes to you.
  I always thought Chinese were a more pragmatic people than most, but this is not pragmatic of your parents, this is cynical and evil.
- My goodness! This is a lot for you to have to go through any day of the week, let alone also with depression. You're doing great that you can talk about it, and I hope you have a community and/or friendship group to fill in the void she has created.
  Leaving (or even threatening to leave) you out of the will is super messed up, I hope you have siblings/family that would stand up for you, even if only after the fact.
  She may have her own mental issues or even past trauma that she's projecting onto her relationship with you and your depression. I dont say that to excuse or justify her, just to acknowledge that you aren't who she thinks you are, your depression isn't what she thinks it is, and your journey is within your control (relatively speaking), not hers.
  Regarding the united states: we can't really control it. However, we can control our own 'back yards'. Find one thing, no matter how small, that you dont like and try to fix that in your life or your community. Something obtainable. (Eg, dont like single use plastics bc planet, dont want to pay for reusable bags bc oligarchs...then make reusable bags 🎉 - instructions Its ok to start small. 1000 people doing little things as a start is way better than a nobody doing anything because it 'WoNt MaKe A dIfFeReNcE'
- Nazis. Those Nazis that want to hurt you, have NO value whatsoever.
Note: There is exactly zero religion involved in honor killings; this is a 100% cultural act. Here are some choice quotes from Wikipedia:
Honor killings are primarily associated with the Middle East, the Maghreb and the Indian subcontinent, but they are also rooted in other societies, such as the Philippines, Northern Caucasus, Latin America, East Africa, and historically in Mediterranean Europe.
In French culture, stories about such homicides were romanticized and featured prominently in French literature of the 19th century, and "In literature as in life, unconventional women needed to be severely punished lest their defiant attitudes inspire further acts of rebellion".[33] In Corsica, there was a strong custom of vendetta, which required Corsicans to murder anyone who wronged their family honor. Between 1821 and 1852 approximately 4,300 vendetta killings were perpetrated in Corsica.[34] France also had a strong culture of dueling meant to uphold honor, and France was called by the National Geographic "the dueling capital of Europe".[35]
Though it may seem in a modern context that honor killings are tied to certain religious traditions, the data does not support this claim.[95][93] Research in Jordan found that teenagers who strongly endorsed honor killings in fact did not come from more religious households than teens who rejected it.[93] The ideology of honor is a cultural phenomenon that does not appear to be related to religion, be it Middle Eastern or Western countries, and honor killings likely have a long history in human societies which predate many modern religions.[96] In the US, a rural trend known as the "small-town effect" exhibits elevated incidents of argument-related homicides among white males, particularly in honor-oriented states in the South and the West, where everyone "knows your name and knows your shame." This is similarly observed in rural areas in other parts of the world.
Provocation in English law and related laws on adultery in English law, as well as Article 324 of the French penal code of 1810 were legal concepts which allowed for reduced punishment for the murder committed by a husband against his wife and her lover if the husband had caught them in the act of adultery.[101] On 7 November 1975, Law no. 617/75 Article 17 repealed the 1810 French Penal Code Article 324. The 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries. It inspired Jordan's Article 340 which permitted the murder of a wife and her lover if caught in the act at the hands of her husband (today the article provides for mitigating circumstances).[102] France's 1810 Penal Code Article 324 also inspired the 1858 Ottoman Penal Code's Article 188, both the French Article 324 and Ottoman article 188 were drawn on to create Jordan's Article 340 which was retained even after a 1944 revision of Jordan's laws which did not touch public conduct and family law;[103][104][105] article 340 still applies to this day in a modified form.[102] France's Mandate over Lebanon resulted in its penal code being imposed there in 1943–1944, with the French-inspired Lebanese law for adultery allowing the mere accusation of adultery against women resulting in a maximum punishment of two years in prison while men have to be caught in the act and not merely accused, and are punished with only one year in prison.
-Wikipedia
So yeah, this is a big problem in many parts of the world and if your reaction to innocent women losing their lives is to make a tired and irrelevant point, then please don't.
- Duelling was rarely to the death, and between consenting individuals whom were both armed.
  Seems odd to draw a comparison between that and unarmed children getting murdered by family members.
- Funny then that when they move to another culture, and take it with them, it is always muslims.
One of the core societal demands of the prophet Mohamed, blessings and peace be upon him, was to end the practice of burying daughters alive. At the time a daughter was considered a disgrace, so some pre-islamic Arabs murdered their daughters this way.
The Quran is also very explicit about the rights of women and the correct behavior towards them, something that is often ignored in societies that claim to be muslim, but evidently did not read much.
"OG Islam" is fundamentally opposed to femicide. Femicides aren't a religious but a cultural issue and prevalent outside of religious groups too.
- "Don't kill women" making "OG Islam" somehow "better" is a pretty low fucking bar.
  Nearly all religion is a regressive cancer on society used as a scapegoat to do terrible things.
- It's true, rights for women in the Islamic world and their treatment is far better than in the western world!
  The Quran is also very explicit about the rights of women and the correct behavior towards them, something that is often ignored in societies that claim to be muslim, but evidently did not read much.
  Exactly!
  I really wish the west would catch up to the Islamic world with how it treats its women. I especially like how they are so progressive when it comes to gays and lesbians, inshallah !
  /s
- Seems to me that Islam is discriminating strongly against women, and that could absolutely be a factor to prevent this sick culture from being abandoned.
  I know there are Muslims who are good people, but I don't think the religion is helping.
  I knew many Muslims when I lived in Copenhagen, from many different countries, and common for the men were that they were way more discriminating against women than is normally acceptable among cultural Danes. They also commonly claimed that the women preferred it that way! For instance regarding very stereotypical strong gender roles.
  I also don't believe the honor thing is without heavy influence from religion, and religion is helping preserve these medieval standards in modern times.
  I know there are Muslims that are more modern and more moral, and just like most Christians have abandoned ancient doctrines that are clearly bad.
  It just seems to me that Islam has not progressed away from such practices as much as Christianity generally has.
  For instance by far the most Muslims still believe apostasy is a sin that should be punished. In a modern society that is unacceptable.
- Muhammad wanting to save all the young girls? For himself?
- Yawn. Now talk about Sharia courts and Sharia law, where a woman can be sentenced to death for ~~being raped~~ cheating, ~~female genital mutilation is allowed~~ and generally, women ~~can be sentenced to death~~ given appropriate sentences and outside Muslim men ~~deny Sharia law to outsiders~~ keep the sacred secrets of Islam between themselves.
- fundamentally opposed to femicide
  That's not what the official guidebook says though. You can lie or be in denial, but we can read.

When I think of somebody as a parent I tend to subconsciously assign them the traits of a loving, caring and well-meaning adult even if their actions are less than perfect. But in reality, any psychopath with functional sex organs can be a parent.

Yeah, this is proven by the ultra Christian types who lets their kids die “because it’s what god wants”, or the abusive parents, or the ones who are absent 99% of the time, or the ones who leave their kids in the car to do dumb shit, and on and on.

They call it "honour killings" but it sure is a disgrace...

Im glad i live somewhere civilized and that could n-
...shit.
Honour is just their excuse, of course - it's really just about controlling women. These weak fuckers feel their control slipping and their go-to is murder.
Anyone who can do that to their daughter on a whim, I simpy can't see as human.

She probably thought it was toss up to be murdered immediately and quickly or suffer a slow death by daily anti-women injustices. She was dead anyway for simply having a brain as well as a vagina.

I'd say it was because she had both a brain and vagina at the same time. Patriarchy supporters go insane when they're forced to realize women can use their brains.
She was dead anyway for simply having a brain
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TikTok
There is no evidence she had a brain.
- Holy shit, show respect for your fellow human. God damn.
- Shame on anyone who upvoted this

Doesn't anyone find the recent uptick in articles about Islamic fundamentalist crimes odd? There are billions of people in the world and these sorts of things happen frequently, yet they rarely receive non-local news coverage. It seems to me like the media is capitalizing on rising Islamophobia (due to the escalating conflicts in the Middle East) by releasing sensational articles about Islamic extremism, which has the effect of drumming up more Islamophobic hate. When crimes like this are committed in the US by Christians the media tends to blame mental illness.

I mean a white christian german man killed an algerian med student in Germany 3 days ago and we don’t see much news about it.
Murder of Algerian woman in Germany prompts protests, calls for justice
Are you daring to suggest that posts on Lemmy by certain accounts are only to manipulate public opinion. No!!!1
"Lemmy is too small, why would bots bother?" etc, etc.
- Yeah now that I look at it, OP is a bot that just posts toxic news. It's also not self-tagged as a bot account.
What is this Meta media literacy? Real talk though, I bet you could find the Christian equivalent if you looked hard enough.
- Recent news of Cristian parents letting a daughter die of disease
Probably prepping for a global genocide
Yeah, I have no idea why CBS is reporting on this Pakistan stuff. I don't need to hear about murders in random countries.
PS: 1000 people are murdered every day all over the world. Roughly 30% of those are intrafamilial.

Now tell me again about how peaceful religions are.

A family with a child murderer as its head is obviously more honourable than the alternative. Morons.

Media needs to give a new term to the concept of Pakistani "honor". Governments are afraid to touch it (esp. the UK govt.) with regard to Pakistanis in particular and Islam. Probably for fear of being victims of 'honor' killings themselves given recent history.

Exactly, Australia did this. We used to call hidden punches from the side "king hits", and now they are called "coward punches", which is far more appropriate. In the same way that Australian men who do it are absolute cowards, these family members who kill their daughters are absolute filth of humanity.
I don't know the appropriate term, but it has to be changed.
- Yep, unfortunately, media have the right to be afraid following the Charlie Hebdo nonsense, here are some examples of criticisng Islam:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie - Now Sir. a man who wrote some books Islamists didn't like. So they threatened to kill him. A fatwa. Multi-million pound bounty and a failed assassination attempt. All because of a book. All through the 80s he was in hiding, covered by the police, paid for by the tax payer. When he emerged from hiding like in the 90s or so, everything had died down and was cool, yes? Nope, he got attacked by a guy with a knife and he lost an eye in 2022 in NY. Read this, it states "a man has been charged", it (cowardly?) failed to mention that the 24 yo man was a Muslim with ties to Lebanon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie
  Charlie Hebdo - a French magazine was raided and people there were shot by two young Muslim men who killed 12 and injured 11. "It published cartoons of the Islamic prophet Muhammad in 2012, forcing France to temporarily close embassies and schools in more than 20 countries amid fears of reprisals." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting. More Muslim-led violence continued after the Charlie Hebdo raid where jews were targeted and killed. Most of the muslims involved were unfortunately killed (so they think they go to a heaven, full of virgins or something... is that meant to be appealing to young men? - Islam knows how to market itself to an audience of rapist men)
  2020, A French teacher beheaded for showing his students the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. Yes, beheaded and disemboweled. Not by the French peasants for a revolution, but by a former 18yo Muslim student who was shown such pictures in a lesson on free speech. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211015-france-honours-quiet-hero-teacher-killed-for-showing-prophet-mohammed-cartoon - It was seen as "an attack on the core values drilled by teachers into generations of schoolchildren, including the separation of church and state and the right to blaspheme."
My proposal is "legal cause to slit the dad's throat in self-defense".
- Well in this case it would have been a 16 year old girl against an adult man with a gun.
  Not the best chances for self defense.

What a fucknut

Can we all agree that every religion is cancer

Extremism is cancer
- No all religion is cancer
I think the issue is the very foundation of religion leads to an "us vs them" mentality.
Most of them certainly can be but Buddhism seems to be pretty practical and reasonable.
- I think it's just less talked about because it seems to be going on so far from most English speaking places.
  I'm not super familiar on any details, but of course there is a wiki for Buddism and Violence and there is plenty of current day stuff going on.
  People are always going to eventually act their worst when enough refuse to back down on their personal beliefs, no matter their religion, or lack thereof for that matter. It's sad seeing all the discrimination in the comments.
- Except when it comes to dealing with Rohingyas in Myanmar

Must have been one of those fanatic atheists again, right? They are evil and probably worship Satan. /s

Even he is less annoying than some stupid internet atheist
The atheist urss wad responsible of killing million
- I have no doubt the atheists of USSR were inspired by the writings of Richard Dawkins, his seminal book "The Selfish Gene" was likely what inspired the killings

Insanity. Pure, unmitigated insanity.

I'm not sure he had any sanity in the first place to go insane, these kinds of 'creatures' only look human, if he can murder his daughter then he can murder anyone, hes a danger to everyone around him, should be locked up for life 😠
- Dehumanizing people is the first step in treating them like animals, and then extermination them - genocide. Don't go down that path. It always ends the same way.

What a religion. God they’re poisonous.

All religions are poisonous.
Yes, all other religions are very peaceful and have never caused deaths
- Maybe we should ban religions.
- Yes hence my comment on religions being poisonous comment. It was barely 2 sentences, please keep up.

I get it. TikTok is trash.

Alright virtue signallers, pack up and head to Pakistan to voice your displeasure!! Bonus money if you're a part of the LGBT community! Whoever survives the longest gets a shiny new prize!!

Imb4 a bunch of pigs starts whining about religions and suddenly care a lot about women rights when it comes to shitting on brown people.

Anything but to confront your own misoginy innit?

Sure, this event on the other side of the world is tragic or whatever, but isn't the real story here that my political opponents are bad people?
- Given that those political opponents once uttered shit like "palestinians deserved it because they threat women badly", yes, yes they are.
  But hey i'm sure you will remembet that girl when the US will bomb pakistan
Can also be repeated with LGBTQ. People will pontificate about these cultures oppressing them even as rights are eroding here in the U.S.

Yeah, right. Like I'm going to believe anything the pigs say. ACAB.

Lots of bootlickers on here.