Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris choosing billionaires over the working class
Sanders blames election loss on Harris listening to billionaires over working class
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.
Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.
as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it's the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I'm kind of stuck here.
I'd bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.
I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
Hate seeing this shit... "Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected."
Fucking bullshit. They don't know what "left" means anymore.
Harris just disappeared, has zero interest in actually being a leader, has zero interest in spearheading a democratic movement, is doing jack shit to help make this transition easier through good will projects, she literally doing nothing, yet I’ve started getting please gib money texts with her name on them again… maybe if she hadn’t pulled a vanishing act we could at least talk but like, wtf is she even doing that she needs my money? I don’t even live in her state.
Fuck everyone who voted for joe biden in the 2020 primary.
Last I read she was “mulling over” the idea of running for governor of California next year.
War criminals would be wise to disappear before the plebs rise up
the downvotes here is very interesting, its a larger than typical amt than i see normally.
i dont think this is coming from an anti revolutionary place, i think it might be because you 'called' democrats war crims, maybe its the "pleb" word that some are taking as anti worker...
idk maybe im just wrong and think lemmy is more revolutionary than it actually is.
This getting downvoted is a fucking shame.
Based on what we know now, Harris would have been a bad president. She lost and didn’t ask for a recount when she should have and then disappeared. AOC and Bernie on the other hand have taken a stand against fascism. I’m with them not the d’s.
Based on what we know now I'm not in the know. What do we know now?
You gotta put two spaces after the first line to make it appear outside the quote
I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.
And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.
She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.
The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.
Was it really an imaginary rule? I think it was Original Sin that talked about how Biden made his support for Harris contingent on "protecting his legacy" - ie, no criticizing Biden, no claiming she would do things different than Biden.
Edit: the claim comes from “FIGHT: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House”:
But the day of the debate Biden called to give Harris an unusual kind of pep talk — and another reminder about the loyalty he demanded. No longer able to defend his own record, he expected Harris to protect his legacy.
Whether she won or lost the election, he thought, she would only harm him by publicly distancing herself from him — especially during a debate that would be watched by millions of Americans. To the extent that she wanted to forge her own path, Biden had no interest in giving her room to do so. He needed just three words to convey how much all of that mattered to him.
“No daylight, kid,” Biden said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/
She ran on Bidens policies because she is exactly like him. Middle of the road, pro establishment, corporate suck up, and always has been.
I think it was an agreement she was told she had to make in order for the nod.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
Well said, I had the exact same thought experience, and I am at the exact same conclusion.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
I'm fully convinced they slow rolled the Trump prosecution so that they could use him to fundraise. I'm half convinced they slow rolled it because they were going to just let it slide if it was clear Trump was going to stay out of politics, because the ghoul club looks out for each other behind the scenes.
And yeah, there's an actual laundry list of places where they fucked up hard on this last election. A non-exhaustive list includes:
Not to mention their perpetual blackballing of anyone actually progressive in the party. The neoliberal arm of the DNC has done nearly as much damage to this country as the Republicans have.
It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests.
When you get paid to do what you're told to do, that's your job.
They weren't paid to stop Trump, they were paid to delay Trump. They weren't paid to bring reforms, they were paid so "nothing will fundementally change". They weren't paid to stop Trump, they're being paid right now to vote yes on Trump's wishes.
To be honest I'm not even sure DNC has authority over Biden. If Biden says, '"fuck you I'm staying" the DNC has no authority to say otherwise. Within the context of Biden who if one knows his history of politics, being shunned again might force him to double-down more.
I despise the DNC ever since Hillary but I'm fairly sure many of them knew Biden would fuck us but had no power to say otherwise. Maybe I'm wrong?
i wish bernie won in 2016 :(
I know Gore won in 2000, we just gloss over the theft and the nazis scream about rigged elections because every accusation is a confession.
I'm 99% certain Musk helped Trump rig this election. I think the only reason the Dems didn't fight it was because they had spent the last 4 years telling everyone how solid our election system was and near impossible to rig.
But we needed to give the ghoul Hillary a chance, it was her turn.
Her turn to give Trump the presidency.
He is 100% right like always
Proper headline:
“Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”
If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.
can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
Yes.
One option has opportunity, the other is... This horseshit.
Yes, I will absolutely blame any accelerationist, every time.
Edit: If you think more people getting more hurt is OK because it might result in a more left future later, just fucking block me now please. And also gfy.
I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the "fast death by Trump" is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I'd much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren't actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.
Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.
I have an irrational fear of heights. That said, I’d rather go skydiving than a lot of other things involving heights because if it goes poorly, I’ll likely have instant death. Your framing of the issue gives me odd comfort. Thanks.
The thing is that Trump isn't a fast death. It's not like in 3 more years we'll all just be gone pain free. Most of us will have to keep going in whatever hellscape these Nazis bring upon us, which as shitty as the DNC and most Democrats are, that hellscape would probably be more tolerable.
It's more like skydiving into a hot desert without resources with Democrats, and skydiving into a desert full of racist cacti without resources with Republicans. You'll likely survive the landing, but you have to earn everything yourself to survive and in one situation, racist cacti are inflicting pain, especially if you're not white.
Corporate democrats #1 policy: protect the 1% at all costs
"A lot of the people are saying it was Joe Biden's fault that Kamala Harris lost the election … not true. It was the fault of Kamala Harris and her consultants,"
He also said "I ran all over the country to try to elect her" so it's a pretty longshot from these comments claiming both sides bad. If all of you, everyone eligible to vote in 2024, had listened to Bernie Sanders then Kamala Harris would be president and none of this would have happened.
I don't have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn't swing a landslide.
Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.
No, I'm saying he already chose the working class and it hasn't galvanized the working class to support him by a significant majority so I'm not sure it would have worked for Kamala. Bernie probably would have won a small majority, but done no better than corporate candidates have because the working class doesn't seem to galvanized behind a candidate that does choose them.
You do realise that you can cheat against someone even if that someone wasn't going to win? The opponents using cheats only implies the level of confidence of said opponents, not necessarily the chance of winning for the one being cheated against. While those two are usually related, they don't necessarily have to be.
They kneecapped him in 2016? He was the only one who could have beaten trump the first time?
Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That's how US politics works
seeing all the red, it wasn't just billionaires.
a lot of hundredaires voted for the billionaire.
She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors
You're right that most American's didn't give a shit, but even those who did knew that the genocide was not on the ballot.
Or rather, "no genocide plz" wasn't on the ballot. Not on a viable choice, FPTP voting, etc, etc. The choices were "same old stuff" and "foot on the gas, bomb it into pink and gray dust and build a chintzy resort."
Exactly. And the Democrats made it even worse for themselves by claiming there was no economic crisis - that Biden had beaten inflation, beaten unemployment, and claims of a bad economy were just Republican propaganda. The American people looked at their paychecks and grocery bills and called bullshit. Harris was right that Trump would govern as a fascist dictator with Project 2025 as the roadmap - but the Democrats lied to America's face about the economy and that made everything else they said sound untrustworthy too.
If the Dems had taken America's economic struggles seriously, Harris would be President now. But Biden refused to admit his economy was bad and Harris didn't have the guts to contradict Biden. And here we are.
There was a whole Muslims for Trump contingent in many swing states specifically because of the genocide.
It's mostly that second part.
Even when democrats say they support change for the middle class, they feel like nothing meaningful gets passed because democrats don't actually represent them. Gaza is a part of this: those who see the obvious genocide happening are incredulous that their party won't do anything about it.
People have lost faith in liberalism, and I think its for good reason.
Yes, and the rise in the cost of living was because of the housing crisis. The Democratic party didn't contribute to Inflation. People buying epic amounts of real estate caused the inflation. Ironically, it was Silicon Valley and Musk followers who were grabbing up most of the real estate after the pandemic. That land is being appropriated for their "freedom cities," or company towns, where their soulless employees can live. I think they plan to stash their loyal followers in these cities while this country devolves into civil war and chaos. Yes, they really do want to trigger a civil war or race war. They will house only those stupid enough to work for them in "smart" cities, where technology and AI keeps everyone under tight watch. Just heard on MSNBC that the data Musk and his hackers stole from their DOGE raid is being used to assemble a database on Americans for surveillance purposes. China has done this to their people. Time to go low profile, seriously.
Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
Remember the cops beating the shit out of students across the country? If she pledged to end support for Israel, instead of being "the other genocide candidate", Trump would have been the "resume genocide" candidate, and all those politically activated students would be getting their friends to vote. Between that and their response to 2020, they showed the next generation that the democrats are a dead end for enacting social change.
It was just an example.
Her support of genocide didn't win her any favor along with her support of the ruling class.
Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
exhibit #6569 of centrists not knowing and just not caring what their constituents care about.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don't know if there's a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
This guy's videos are one of the few things on youtube (other than music videos) I'll watch sometimes.
I see a lot of these postmortems and I don't know what combination of them is the actual truth, but I wasn't the slightest bit surprised when she lost. As soon as she got the nomination I thought it was likely.
For what it's worth, here is my take on her as one Californian that's had to deal with her since before 2010 when she ran for attorney general:
A small silver lining to her losing is I'll never have to hold my nose and vote for her ever again.
She lost because she just sucks. Whether an individual's reason for thinking she sucks and not being excited about her was based on misogyny, racism, her record of public service, her policy goals, or her personality doesn't matter. I didn't know anybody excited to vote for her. I knew some people excited to vote for a WOC, but not her as a person. A little enthusiasm was what was needed to turn the tide in the three states that mattered this time.
As soon as Biden dropped out too late for an actual primary, we already lost.
LMAO drop the act, you and all Dems know that if they run her again you WILL VOTE for her, no matter what
Until the Dem party tells you to vote someone else
I would vote for even your overused waifu themed cumsock over any MAGA candidate, so yes. Yes I would.
She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.
The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!
Voters don't get to decide where the middle is.
Oh I fully agree, I almost didn't vote for her, she sucked ALL the hope out of her campaign, she had SO MUCH MOMENTUM, all she had to do was keep constantly showing up on the press to point out how incompetent Trump was and clearly appear competent. All she had to do was keep putting out positive messages about protecting rights and returning the country to normal and not insane racist hate land and it would have been a slam dunk. Coming up with ''well.. I am totally willing to meet genocide in the middle, if that's important to you'' was an insane gut punch.
i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
Sadly there's a lot of ignorant and stupid voters out there. It's fun to watch leopards eat their faces as a bitter consolation prize now that we're in a full-ass fascist hell.
How about revising to "vote for the lesser evil".
That disqualifies democrats as well.
If Bernie would've been warning about this in 2023, he would've been called red fash.
He has been warning about this since Hillary times.
If Bernie was saying this at any point, people would have called him a Tankie.
And wow Bernie is right again.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
And Bernie would be right. I hope to god that Kamala sits out the next election.
She will. Haven't heard her name in 5 months. I honestly think by next election she will be entirely forgotten.
Yes, the Democratic Party is more subtle in regard to their support for oligarchs and corruption. With exception to Senator Sanders, the old coots should fucking retire. The election loss proved the AmeriKans are sucking down the Orange Kool-Aid and want the US Constitution to burn.
No shit…
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
Couch sitters, too. If you're so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.
Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.
Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.
this
It's not just Kamala Harris, it is democrats in general. I get that they want the first woman president ... but its not going to happen in this political environment. Many Hatian immigrants that voted for Trump just because they don't think a woman can be president. Copy that ... Trump said these people are eating cats and they still voted for him. Hispanics? News flash, they are predominantly Catholic ... so Pro Choice doesn't go over well for them. Then people got angry because Kamala skipped the whole nomination prosses. Stuff like this is why she lost. Biden should have ran, then resigned after he beat Trump again.
Biden wasn't ever going to beat trump after that complete failure of a debate. Harris was the dems Hail Mary play after they finally realized that.
Yeah I thought the odds of her winning were less than 50% but they were still bette than the odds of Biden winning again.
No way Biden wins a second time. His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn't win him the election overall, white people did.
His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.
Remember saying that and being called a useful idiot who bought into Propaganda? Pepperidge farm remembers.
And now they blame non-whites for the failures of the old racist dude and his token friend.
We have literal scientific proof that voters don't give a shit if the candidate is a man or a woman.
Please really do stop this narrative. It makes more damage than you think
Biden should have ran
Even before the Jun 27 debate fiasco, the polls always showed that Biden had very little chance of winning. He was trying to actively facilitate a AIPAC genocide and simultaneously win a close campaign race from the "left" party. If the DNC had run a real primary process, and if the media had held Biden to his promise to only run a single term, things might have been different.
DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
The "nice" style liberals have no tools to fight actual fascists. They're career politicians. They don't understand an ideological opponent.
They don't get that these people will literally demolish governments, throw us into civil wars, and poison the planet for all humanity, rather than feel their power to dominate the weak diminished by one nanoangstrom.
In FPTP, you don't have much choice but to vote against what you don't want, but I would argue that it's still important to vote, so long as that isn't all that you do.
I'm also living under FPTP, and voted "third party" because I believe a plurality of choices is beneficial, even though our conservative party was scary close to winning… but that's just how it'll always end up under FPTP: the right end will get more and more ghoulish until the centrist party is the safest vote in opposition. Together, they both suck up all the votes into the neoliberal duopoly, where neither side meaningfully challenges the underlying conditions that make life worse for increasingly large sections of people.
Anyway, of arguably greater impact than voting is actually figuring out who represents you, and letting them know what's important to you. Canvassing for candidates who you actually do support. That sort of thing.
Sorry about the little rant. I'm sure you're aware of this dynamic. I just felt compelled.
I don't dislike Kamala, and Trump is a sociopath. I realize Joe Biden probably had cancer before he dropped out and that's why he dropped out. But I have to also say that voters probably didn't like the bait and switch approach where they suddenly felt they had to support her simply because she appeared as the candidate in the last legs of the campaign. I think diversity and female leadership is important, but probably asking undecided voters to go for a POC woman when that's not who they started out supporting probably didn't help. Old white centrists don't like that, and she didn't have time to build a campaign and show her skills like Obama did. Probably a good chunk of people straddling the line vote wise didn't love that. We had this happen in Canada recently with our new prime minister Carney, but he's an older white centrist dude, and we were clearly ok to hold our noses and do it to keep out the conservatives, but I think if it was someone like Kamala they might not have won.
Biden didn't drop out because of his cancer. He dropped out because that disastrous debate made it impossible for him to win. If he had really wanted to drop for his health, he would have done it at least the year before to give time for a primary.
Even without the debate, Bidens poll numbers for years before the debate made it impossible for him to win. No candidate has ever come from that far behind and won. When Roe went down on his watch his numbers cratered and never recovered. The DNC knew this but they wanted their AIPAC war to continue uninterrupted, or else give the chair to trump, who was their desired pick anyway. So they bought that outcome.
Really?
I blame it on the working class choosing billionaires over the working class. That's how we got kamala and biden in the first place.
Agreed. It's 100% the voters (or absent voters) fault. They knew what they would get if Trump won(generations of damage) and they let it happen. Harris should have been voted in to triage the situation, then protest her while she is in office to bring change.
The problem is, that this is what basically happened for as long as I can remember. People vote for a democrat, they don't really succeed in bringing substential improvements because they have to keep the billionaires happy, and at some point people vote republican again, which then proceed to fuck up everything even harder.
It's a downward spiral, and in my opinion the only way of breaking out of it is to break it. So either the democrats choose somebody that is likely to improve the quality of life for the broad population, or the republicans win again and break the country completely.
Enabling this spiral by voting for the "lesser evil" will just lead to it going on forever.
Actually, it's people like you who rush from one abuser to the next.
In 2029 there will be a headline exactly like this one, the only variables are wether Bernie and elections will still be around.
I wish I could believe that.
I mean, don't get me wrong - it would've been a better route to take in any case, whether it delivered the campaign from defeat or not.
But I have no faith in my fellow Americans to choose politicians or policies that represent their best interests.
Riddle me this
How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?
Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.
People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.
Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to "connect" with that half of the population
Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign
You have no faith in America?
For these half of the population, that's basically all you need to win them
You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:
Middle age white women with a god complex.
The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it
Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala's defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are
Riddle me this
How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?
Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.
People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.
Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to “connect” with that half of the population
Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign
You have no faith in America?
For these half of the population, that’s basically all you need to win them
You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:
Middle age white women with a god complex.
The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it
Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala’s defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are
Lord.
A few posts down in my feed is a photo of children zip tied in immigration court and it is fucking disgusting. There would be other problems in a Harris admin. But maybe we wouldn’t zip tie little kids.
I'm so glad we're still establishing blame for our country descending into fascism. The Dems are in fantastic political shape and have a coherent plan to keep our democracy together.
...this was sarcasm, right?
Yes. Yes it was.
First time I don't 100% agree with him. I partially agree with Bernie here. Had Harris stuck with a more progressive ticket, she'd have stood a better chance; however, that doesn't explain the millions and millions of Americans that voted for a convicted criminal, rapist, kleptocrat, that claims to be for Jesus.
that doesn’t explain the millions and millions of Americans that voted for a convicted criminal, rapist, kleptocrat, that claims to be for Jesus.
Hate is a POWERFUL narcotic.
That's why you need some president that introduces something like a requirement for kids to visit a school, abolishing religious private schools (or forcing them to comply with a national standard for education).
Stupid people will vote for stupid shit, and home schooling or ultra-religious schools just lead to more stupid people. Knowledge is power for the people.
Trump is a collective tantrum by aggrieved people.
Yeah. The DNC either don't realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
It is perfectly fine, in fact it would be incredibly refreshing & welcome, to admit...she was a shitty candidate. Fuck, she was so terribly bad. And Tim Walz was a bad pick, too.
Everything was fake. Every day it unraveled more. She was caught saying things like, "I am different than Biden, I am not Biden, do not let his presidency reflect on me." What would you do differently? "Nothing, I wouldn't change anything." Okay....so....how are you different if everything Biden did was totally great & you wouldn't do anything differently?? 🤡 Heavily paraphrased, of course, the convos were more detailed (which only made it worse).
It's fine to say Kamala Harris was a cringe candidate. Completely unwanted, unelected, unqualified. Biden bowed out & the DNC shoved her in; there is no logical reason to continue to own her as your candidate & representative. You don't bring dead babies to Passover. This is an opportunity to rebrand the Democrat Party, to refocus on issues that actually matter. That is to say....if anyone still gives a goddamn about the issues that actually matter.
I blame on dnc. They should not exist. We already have republican party if we need to vote for a party that works for billionaires. Unless AOC or Bernie, this country is doomed.
Please allow me to take an extra strength Vitamin Duh.
DUH!
Kamala Harris just chooses whatever she thinks will further her career. She chose poorly. She's just lucky the party was stupid enough to have elevated her to vice president even after her debate performance was so bad that she dropped out before the 2020 presidential race even started. Then the idiotic party elevated her again after Biden (another opportunist piece of garbage who was elevated by the party) was forced to step down after his embarrassing 2024 debate performance was obvious to even deluded party insiders.
If she wasn't going to be participating in a genocide, then she maybe could have won
The Schumer Strategy. They just can't give it up no matter how many times it fails. (they will try again)
Are there a cohort of people who vote Trump just as a middle finger to the so called left as a nihilistic protest vote?
They call it accelerationism.
I'm with the DNC on this one. Bernie is just talking crazy. Americans dont care about money.
/s
I don't care about Kamala. She is not important or relevant right now.
What Dems need to do is stop focusing on sure losses and start putting forth candidates that can win. They need to start now.
We need younger and more vibrant candidates--- find them!!!!
Sure, but I think the point is that we have to recognize the mistakes in order to prevent repeating them.
It's not like Harris is ancient like Trump or Biden, and I think a lot of voters are convinced age always equals wisdom, so I don't think they would accept anyone younger than Harris anyway.
I’m not disagreeing with the fact that the Democratic Party shouldn’t be cozying up with billionaires, but I’m not convinced that the most significant reason for the Harris’ loss. I think misogyny played a role.
I think Democrats don't know how to create a zeitgeist of high-brow, uplifting pugnacity that punches through bullshit. "Oh you think 'boys' should be able to play in women's sports?" "It's a game!" "You sound pretty privileged to not have to think about scholarships for students to go to college!" "Shut the fuck up about peoples' genitals, and let's do something about people going to school. Let's prepare children for the real world in school while they're growing up, and if they want to go off to college after that, let's make that affordable."
The "Green New Deal" — do want to grow the economy with new industries? Do you know how much more expensive living with the consequences of climate change will be — do you like the cost of housing now?
"Poor people should have to work to receive help." — (1) They already do, and (2) shut the fuck up and stop calling yourself a Christian unless you want to at least pretend to know the tenets of your religion. You would have been whipped in the temple.
Stop giving Republicans so many opportunities to go on bullshitting without checking them. That won't immediately manifest the world we want to see, but it will at least shift the momentum.
Of course misogyny played a role. A million factors played a role, but most of those she couldn't control. How she campaigns is something she could control, and that's something she fucked up.
She is a black women : Minus 500 Points for Gryfindor.
She walks in in a businessdress and looks as intimidating as the mortage lady from the bank: Minus 600 Points for Gryfindor
Her Party is made up from literal Fossils that won't give up power, even past 80, won't stop Making money from what seems like Stocktrading on privileged information: Minus 50 Points for Gryfindor.
She is as charismatic as Porridge: Minus 100 Points for Gryfindor.
Seriously fuck the bitch ass american racists and the democratic party that can't find a good candidate when so much is on the line.
Nobody is willing to say it, but I really think she lost because she’s a woman.
Lol she did not
Damn right Bernie. Kamala and Pete Buttigieg need to GTFO.
Bernie...
There is a shocking amount of sexism and racism in here for Lemmy supposedly being left leaning.
Literally contrary to evidence people just want to blame it on their own subconscious prejudice I guess cause if they are struggling with it everyone else must be, instead of just listening to the answers that are given.
What are these, "answers given," and who made you the arbiter of 2024 election analysis?
Women do not underperform in elections compared to men
Peoples insistence in blaming it is inherently sexist and my pointing that out does not make me an arbuter just willing to look at reality.
So how did Hilary win the popular vote? How did Obama win the election? Not going to say there is not a sexism or racism issue in the US. But wrting it off like that is the sole problem is lazy and defeatist.
Wait what? I'm saying they got the votes cause people are generally not racist or sexist. Hillary got the votes cause people didn't care about her gender but she didn't win cause they managed to divide the electorate by her somewhat cavalier attitude towards widwestern states that she basically didn't campaign in.
Im saying all the people saying Harris couldn't win cause they are saying she had color or was a woman is the ones being both sexist or racist.
I've been saying it for the past two US election cycles .... the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I've seen it many times)
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they're the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it's more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn't vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn't vote is actually closer to 40%.
I'm so sick of winning.
There's more than two parties the US
There are only two viable parties.