5mo ago

Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

www.theguardian.com

Summary

Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan.

Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea.

Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a "real estate development for the future."

His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law.

Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.

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Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.
Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.
- What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.
  Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?
  Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.
  
  Thank you for saving Gaza
  
  You're getting downvoted but nothing you said is incorrect.
  
  You can't reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
- his handler in moscow deserves some credit
  
  Trump is the handler in this case. Handling Putin's balls.
Not even gonna try to pretend it isn't ethnic cleansing...
- People can weasel themselves around terms like "fascist" quite easily, because there are multiple definitions, many are very diffuse and there's a lot of disagreement around it - but ethnic cleansing to my understanding is quite simple and this is it. Can any serious political commentator pretend it's not? For example the forced removal of Poles from west Poland (annexed by USSR) after WW2 for example was not a slaughter, but is considered an act of ethnic cleansing.
- I think this is something else -- I mean, he's gonna need slaves to implement all this.
People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let's turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s
- Don't worry, trump is gonna move them to the US, and not give them any documents, then be like "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT" and send them to Guantanamo doing slave labor.
Member when people were saying Kamala would be worse than Trump for Palestinians, LOL! How's that vote/abstain working out now?
- They probably think it worked out great, since it was only ever an op by hostile elements to convince absolute fucking idiots to vote against their own interests.
- Remember when Democrats pleaded with Harris to differentiate herself from Biden and Trump on the issue and she refused?
  
  me downvote instead of argue 🤓
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They're laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it's their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
The sheer audacity of treating sovereign territories like Monopoly properties reveals the bankruptcy of modern geopolitics. Trump's alleged "Gaza swap" proposal – offering Egypt debt relief for absorbing a war-torn enclave – reeks of casino diplomacy where human lives become bargaining chips. This isn't statecraft, it's a foreclosure auction on human dignity.
Egypt's immediate rejection proves even authoritarian regimes recognize some lines shouldn't be crossed. But the real tragedy lies in normalizing this billionaire's mentality that every crisis is a leveraged buyout opportunity. From the Abraham Accords to this Gaza garage sale, it's all about transactional trophy deals while ignoring root causes.
The Mediterranean doesn't need another real estate mogul playing Risk with refugee camps. This isn't solving conflict – it's outsourcing oppression through financial blackmail. The message is clear: human rights have become adjustable-rate mortgages in the hands of dealmakers.
- Very elaborate way to say “but Hamas"…
Aaaaand, why is the president of the US making plans for the people in a county he has no authority over again?
- No better than Putin, you could say. Both are real dickbags and need to be put down like animals.
Long story short, when people are hungry and broke and without a place to live, they become desperate, but then when you do something that really makes them angry. They stop being desperate and they start becoming violent. Not just people in the Middle East mind you I’m talking all people from British colonists to French students yelling about revolution all the way down to Germans, who survived the World War I only to see part of their country, giving away the treaty of Versailles.
Donald Trump‘s plan is just asking for further acts of terrorism against America and our interest overseas
I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt
- I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt
  I don't. If Trump ends up sending troops to Gaza (which is bordering on impossible mind you), then those troops will frankly deserve whatever happens to them.
  
  I was in the army for 10 years and can tell you that on an average unit about 50 to 60% of those guys don’t agree with the president’s policy or the plan of action. But they’re there because they assumed that the person elected to be president would have the countries best interest at heart. That assumption has not really worked out.
  So yeah, you can say that soldiers and marines getting killed in action will get what they deserve but to me I think we need to take a moment and hold our leaders accountable first. And as far as I’m concerned all the crooked shit Donald Trump is done the punishment. His face is being kicked off Twitter for a couple of months.
The real lesson of trump: you can get away with anything after you've conditioned your victims enough.
I read recently that all conservatism is is "I'm a good person and anyone who says otherwise deserved whatever I did to them."
Pretty sure this is how it all started in the 1930s.
- That is a hell of a sentence. Damn.
- "But if the Dems ran a better candidate...."
  "But Harris didn't even stop in Dearborn, so it's her fault not ours"
  "Sure, everything Trump says is a lie, but at least he stopped here to lie to our faces. It's the dem's fault."
  "One of Trump's first acts last time was a Muslim ban, but I can't be arsed to remember that far back"
  "I had to vote for this otherwise the dems wouldn't learn anything"
  /s
  
  "we just had to teach the DNC a lesson at the polls during that specific election!!!"
  
  But if the Dems ran a better candidate…
  This is completely valid criticism. Stop pretending it's not. The DNC is in the habit of specifically going out of their way to choose unpopular pundits, and that's not voters fault.
  Voting for Trump, or not voting is their fault...
  
  "Democrats will ignore you if they can always count on your vote"
  "Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil"
- I mean Jordan said recently that they'd consider pushing refugees across their border an act of war. Trump's "plan", if it can even be called that, doesn't include a realistic way to bring about all this. I think I represent a good number of Muslims when I way: Fuck him, but it ain't happening.
  
  Trump wants to own hotels and resorts in a razed and reconstructed Gaza. Do you think he cares where the Palestinians go? Do you think the rest of the world will want to look more deeply into it if he just says "they've been relocated, no I won't tell you to where"?
  He's presenting a Palästinenserproblem. People should be watching very carefully.
- This was literally Bidens plan as well.
  You can have fun laughing at people that didn't want to vote for someone directly responsible for killing their families (as if you'd be different at all), but don't do it because you think this is something worse that Trump is doing that Biden wouldn't.
  
  Provide any source for your claim. Never did Biden state anything like this.
What's the end goal here, cause another 9/11 so he can declare martial law?
- I said something similar a few months before he got into office, got down voted to hell.
- A gift to Netanyahu for intentionally delaying the ceasefire until after the election to help Trump win.
- Probably say "I gave them a chance, now we need to exterminate, since we have no other options"
It's ironic that China seems to be the country supporting the Palestinians, I kinda feel we might be the baddies.
- Not ironic it all.
  The US condemns China for the treatment of the Uyghurs. US good, China bad.
  China condemns the US for the treatment of the Palestinians. China good, US bad.
  Both countries don't give a shit about either.
  
  hey hey hey, at least the US is genociding brown people by proxy. You gotta give us that at least.
- I don't think China (the government) actually cares. Just like the US supporting Ukraine, the US (the government) does not actually care about Ukrainians.
  Russia - Ukraine conflict
  Israel - Palestine conflict
  Its all just a chess game to become (or remain) the superpower
- Sadly every major power tends to be the baddies to some extent, it's how they get to be and stay major powers. We just get to grade on a curve. Nazi Germany really set the curve and the US got to be the pretty unambiguous good guys, at least up to the firebombing campaign in Japan, the nuclear bombs, and being complicit after the fact in Japanese atrocities by shielding them from consequences.
  While we have an "ambient" level of baddie-ness most of the time, we at least have balanced it out by sometimes defending against unjust violence and providing humanitarian aid.
  Now Trump seeks to turn that baddie scale up to the max while simultaneously cutting out all aid efforts.
"I'M PROTEST VOTING. " - Dumb Bastards
Hey CNN, wanna interview those protest voters again?
- Do you respect Palestinians or not?
Of course he does not. Every American president has always voted against Palestinian self-determination at the UN.
- But how can we blame and isolate Palestinian/Muslium/Arab voters if we dont pretend that what Trump saying is something new? /s
So people have no right to their property, their owned real estate? Hmmm, lets try this in another failed state, the US.
So.... More concentration camps?
Predictable, but even so.
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn't vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump's Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
- Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
  Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
  What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
  
  Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term instead of being forced to flee repeatedly within the country.
  Trying to equate the two is quite disingenuous.
  
  Thank you for saving Gaza
  
  Found one of the dipshits!
- How is it worse? This was literally Bidens public plan. His administration was just quieter about it, though not silent, which is how we know if was their plan.
Not surprising to say the least. Just have to wonder how bad will it get.
Edit: well that didn't take long. https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-gaza-ceasefire-should-end-saturday-if-hostages-not-released-2025-02-10/
I called it. Powers that be want that beachfront property.
Cool plan dude except for the humanity and stuff
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a "real estate development for the future."
I will make the best Economy evah!
Lol no, om going to use the US funds to pay for millions of refugees that I artificially created so that I can have my very own Riviera for free
- The fiscally conservative party at its finest, everyone
"plan"
Did they ever really had rights? USA have been arming Israel for the past 50+ years.
Mexico is currently building the deepest hole in the world!
It's part of the plan to toss all my fellow Mexicans in the hole, then we'll rename the Mexican Riviera to the American Riviera. The Yucatán peninsula will now be "Extraflorida" or southflorida.
Yeah, I see where all this is going. Eventually well have east America ... Land rich in diamonds.
Big shocker!
These chickens will come home to roost, you know.
- Bawk bawk.
Trump seems to practicing a classic example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinkmanship
Not sure if purposefully or just accidentally.
Why does this feel like Johnathan Irons from Call of Duty Advanced Warfare with how "New Baghdad" was rebuilt.
HEY, EVERYBODY! LET'S KEEP ARGUING ABOUT THE ELECTION THAT ENDED LAST YEAR! THAT WILL REALLY HELP THE PALESTINIANS!
- Yea, this stinkin' debate is just sterile, look ahead y'all, there is a 50m tidal wave coming at everyone while you bicker!
  
  Based on the downvotes, people would much rather bicker and I'm terrible for suggesting people take action instead.
- where are all the conservative instances so we can go DUNK and SLAM on them?
  
  People seem to be happy to do that to each other on Lemmy every time the topic of Palestine comes up.
  This morning, I said to someone, "if I challenged you to send one e-mail to a celebrity or politician or business leader asking them to use their ability to get the ear of the media to speak on behalf of Palestinians, would you do it?"
  I won't keep you in suspense. They never responded. Because pointing fingers and accusing others of being in favor of genocide is much easier. And fun!
  
  The conservative instance is called Reddit and we're no longer federated with them.
He is doing a Putin
Well now you have to take them in.
The protest $hill Stein voters still gonna claim the righteous high ground while excoriating Biden/Harris/Democrats even though every last detail of this story was floated by Trump and pals during the election.
And the “Free Palestine” mass protests have all but stopped since Election Day, movement leaders (who exactly were they?) having achieved their goal of disenfranchising Democrats (but ZERO protests against the Republican Congress that approved funding for Israel).
- The protests have not stopped.
- https://uscpr.org/pro-palestine-protests/
  
  Mass protests have stopped. A handful of people meeting at a coffee shop or vigil is a stark contrast to bridges and roads being blocked, to school administration buildings occupied. The US is 330 million people and you get how many at a protest now?
  And that website is all about Israel and nothing about forced relocations of two million people and the US annexing Gaza for development. But those aren’t Democrat proposals, so whatevs…
Well it's a good thing we don't have the status quo of the DNC, slamming it into overdrive is MUCH better! Remember a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide/s
To the people blaming protest voters: Other voters are not your enemy. The two-party oligopoly is the enemy. The goal of zio nists and is rael was always to remove all the palestinians from the region - it is built into the purpose of the state. There is no evidence kamala would have done anything to stop this. She wouldnt have said lets take it over ourselves and make it into fucking casinos, but regardless, the overall plan of removing all the palestinians would have continued and the US would have continued to fund it.
- Anyone who enabled trump is the enemy of democracy. Period.
  
  Not stepping down until the primary was over enabled Trump so count Biden on that list too for failing to heed internal poling in time. He sold out his country out of arrogance just like RBG did.
  
  I understand the anger - I'm currently dealing with grad school funding issues directly related to the new admin so it's hitting very close to home. However, instead of left-of-center infighting over who got the fascist in office (when neither/none of us even voted for him) we could join forces and troll conservatives online by simply posting facts in their comments section. <3
- This is simply a false dichotomy. There's plenty of blame to go around and a large share rests with all the people that had the power to stop this but chose not to.
- The DNC may have fucked up, but every single one of those protest voters made a conscious decision to increase the odds of Trump becoming president.
  
  So did the DNC though, supporting Israel was more important to them than winning "the most important election of our time".
- But you do see how that's still better, right? Kamala would at least have been open to public pressure, meaning it could have been possible to pull the emergency brake a little harder. Trump isn't gonna change his mind for fuck all, and isn't just releasing the brake, but slamming his foot on the gas.
  
  Yes, Kamala would have been better. But she lost, and thats on her. This geno cide has been going on for 75 years and she gave no indication that she would do anything to stop it.
- They're not my enemy, but they are idiots who deserve to be shamed for their terrible decision
  
  Sure, continue shaming them instead of looking at the whole picture and realise you'd still need their help to fight against the fascism rising in America. Or you can just go down to their level and follow what makes you feel good instead of the better option for your own sake.
- There are differences between candidates within each party. And historically both parties have gone through drastic changes. You can vote for like minded candidates at the local level, the state level, and as they gain experience they’ll be better suited to succeed nationally and change the party as a result. But this requires you to actually vote. In every election. Always. And I get the sense that those who complain it’s a two party system the loudest are just offering an excuse as to why they simply don’t vote, don’t participate in our democracy. The people who run for national office in say, the Green Party, rarely have any government experience or real leadership experience. It’s just boilerplate slogans and a clear demonstration they don’t really know what’s going on. Why the fuck would I vote for that? Shit, I can say all the right things and run for President. But I would suck as president because the job is much more bureaucratic management than just saying shit out loud.
Wonder where all the people that fall for the Russian propaganda on Kamala are?
Probably found another single issue to base their entire political identity around. I know a lot switched over to the Gulf of America outrage.
So the same as what Biden was doing in the West Bank.
Hey, at least it isn't Kamala doing this. There wouldn't even be any Palestinians left to not return to Gaza!

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HEY, EVERYBODY! LET'S KEEP ARGUING ABOUT THE ELECTION THAT ENDED LAST YEAR! THAT WILL REALLY HELP THE PALESTINIANS!