'There will be a civil war': Trump fans rage after Georgia judge orders trial to proceed
'There will be a civil war': Trump fans rage after Georgia judge orders trial to proceed
Edit: There's a lot of people in the comment section who clearly didn't read the article so let me clarify that no, this is not about Judge Aileen Cannon. Read. The. Damn. Article.
I still can’t believe that all the rural redneck idiots are willing to start a Civil War for a failed corrupt New York City businessman, who represents everything they don’t stand for in the name of creating a fascist dictatorship and stripping away all of your rights so that the rich people can continue to fuck you in the ass.
Most of them think the war will turn the economic tides and somehow turn their rural towns into utopian areas where all the wealth from the cities is funneled into their shitty towns. They want the status and earning of being an engineer, doctor, or lawyer without trying or educating themselves.
What is sad is all conservatives are willing to kill us, our children, and everything we worked for for this ideal and for a corrupt, failed New York businessman that sells military secrets to our enemies.
What's ironic is that it's the liberal-eating-local-buy-local-equality-socialist types that are are subsidizing their ability to live in that small rural town at all.
County State Aid roads, clean water infrastructure, education, business development grants, farm grants... All of that is paid for by big city taxes, which typically (not always... Looking at you Ft. Worth...) lean liberal. In my state one rural community received tax funding at a rate of 480% compare to what they paid in, where as the city center reviebes about 60% of the taxes they pay.
Farm-to-table? Anti-trust regulations? Farm subsidies? The USDA rural development? All paid for in large part by taxes, most of which come from city centers.
And yet exactly what you said - they want liberal big cities gone. They see them as a plight upon the land.
It's crazy.
I'm not convinced he sells secrets. I'm pretty sure he gives them away because poo tin tells him it's in their best interests.
I have Maga relatives, who have giddily spoken to me about finally getting to "blast the damn libs". I'm one of the people they are happily speaking about shooting down. Yeeeeesh
The real thing they love about him is that "we" hate him and with their support they think they can annoy us and "get back" at us for whatever they think we did to them. And they aren't wrong, people who hate Trump have a very hard time just ignoring the Trolls, me included.
Bro, it's not even surprising at this point.
It's the "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" principle.
Who cares what they believe, it matters exactly 0% what they believe, just that they're willing to kill you over it.
They bring the barbarianism, we send the military. Unless the famously Republican-leading military decides to betray the country too (and given the hubbub around UAPs and their response, I wouldn't give more than 50/50 odds) in which case you never had a chance in the first place.
Only rationale I can think of:
"It's not gay if you can't consent, and I really want to be fucked in the ass"
No there won't.
Alternate headline: local inbreds big mad
They are definitely trying to manifest a war
we should simply manifest anti-war. If we do it hard enough, it'll cancel out and there won't be a war, simple as that.
Like one third of the US doesn't even bother to vote. The banks own all our land and houses so there's be no economic gain. There's plenty of reason for everyone to be upset, but not really enough reason to go to war.
If you mean more traitors will go to prison and be removed from the voter pool, neat!
It sounds like they mean to remove themselves from the gene pool as well! I'm all for it
Well, if it's a repeat of 1/6, I think there was only 1 death (of the traitors, not total), but hundreds of prison sentences. That's what I was referencing.
Translation: the few nutty enough to put plans to action will commit cowardly terrorist acts that make magats even more detested. Just because fascist asshats couldn't settle for being overrepresented.
There won't be a civil war unless\until the prospect of a civil war starts to look profitable to the .1%.
Used to agree with that, now it's a maybe. The US elite created the seeds of MAGA and the christian right back in the days of Reagan, and they've fully lost control of it, Trump has at least some measure of control on the group, but I feel it's only because he's pretending to do what they want.
Just as with the actual US revolution, the movement was started by the 1% for their own interests. Which they gaslit and orchestrated for their own gain until they lost control of it.
For the uninitiated: they started riots to pressure lawmakers to not pass a new tax on them, not the working class, and new laws preventing them from defrauding London based banks with what amounts to wire fraud by regular mail by creating shell companies in different colonies, getting loans for exploration and land use, and then closing the "company" and repeating.in a different colony.
I have no doubt gaggles of these goons will start some shit here and there, but a Civil War would mean the US military has either fractured or someone raised a domestic army capable of fighting the US military, which is so crazy I don't even know why I mentioned it.
You have to remember the 'state-of-the-art' of war in 1861 was that men, munitions, and information moved at the maximum speed of a train, but more likely horse. And the distance between the most technologically advanced weapons available and a farmer's rifle was within an order of magnitude of technological progress. Today the distance between civilian and military communications, field intelligence, and weaponry might as well be to another star system. And before anyone references past insurgent success against modern US military- they didn't get their weapons at WalMart- they're supplied by other national militaries. A Civil War starting with a civilian uprisings just isn't a military possibility.
And I really don't see any scenario by which the US military starts fighting itself. I'd be curious what scenarios others think might lead to that but I just don't see anything on the table that could make a US military commander accept an order to attack other US military assets. I think something like a military coup would be far more likely than a civil war at this point.
Fascinated to learn more about that, if you have any good resources. That's not the typical framing we get in our US high school level interpretation of events.
Foreign powers seem to have as much sway in the USA Today as the rich did decades ago.
Spoiler alert
Wouldn't be the first time.
Potentially the first time: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_Nine
Although Wikipedia is wrong. They didn't get organic crowds of people. They hired gangs to artificially riot and create the illusion of angry commoners. Source: Crucible of War, Fred Anderson.
It wasn't until New York (sons of liberty) also tried fake riots that actual commoners got involved, mostly about rich and wealthy merchants claiming huge tracts of land.
Russia is in that .1%
How do they know when they won, who do they fight? Is it over when the rich destroy all small businesses and own everything and we have a dictatorship? Do they just start attacking their fellow working class...? Do they shoot their kids and family members and make it so they have no social security or ability to retire or ever stop working? Surely they have to realize at some point they would fighting themselves.
It must be Friday, because MAGA is threatening civil war but they're sitting down. Do it or shut the fuck up, cowards.
They are all pussies. PBR drinking, fox "news" watching red faced fat asses. I hope they do attempt a "civil" war. The world will be a better place without them and they'll be curb stomped in about .3 seconds.
I dunno man. I agree and I don't . There's a million things that SHOULD have all Americans fucking slaughtering there entire corrupt leadership on the fucking daily.. but no one rises up.. the closest we got was BLM and that shit got shut down so hard and all non black america abandoned them.. MAGA aren't the only cowards
Now hold on...
PBR and a shot of two of shitty whiskey is sometimes very appropriate. Don't put is in that bucket.
They might be pussies, and are human trash cans, but a quadriplegic can press a trigger and kill someone.
I have been deployed and have seen what untrained assholes can do with guns. You can die just as easily from Billy Bob’s bullet as you can a sniper with years of actual training. Don’t discount these people to go to voting places during the election and cause havoc.
They are brainwashed into thinking that they are not only right, but all doubt has been removed as to how right they are.
Of course they're sitting down. Have you seen most of them?
Nah see the magas want us to civil war first so we'll go to jail. See, civil war is a crime in this country taps forehead
joke's on them if they think a liberal will ever do anything about anything
Boy it sure says an awful lot about Maga that they are going to go to war for a swollen pustule like Humpty Trumpty. If it's a movement, wouldn't it transcend a single individual? What a weak group of simpletons.
"I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman."
---Unite the Right organizer and general alt right fuckbucket Baked Alaska upon being sentenced for his participation in the 01/06 riots
They’re all idiots, but this guy was a special kind of dumb. What is he up to these days? I know Baked Alaska was sentenced for only 60 days, so it’s not like he sacrificed much for the carnival barker. I bet he’s still in the tank for him.
Well, we're waiting MAGA boys. Go for it.
The Trumpist insurrection ends one of only two ways for the Trumpists.
See January 6, 2021.
"There will be a civil war!" - Somebody definitely not prepared to fight in any kind of war.
But they have a couple of guns and a pickup truck and a vest with pockets and hunting boots and camo pants?? Some even have night vision scopes!!!! The US military won't stand a chance.
They’re prepared to fight, they just haven’t thought it through. Which is why they’re prepared to fight. Doesn’t stop them from the terror attacks they’ll commit before they’re killed or locked up.
Well, they seem more prepared for the younger generation to fight, as they do in most wars.
The issue for them is that there's very much an age difference in the whole MAGA/sanity thing and they're on the wrong side of it.
If or when some crazy yahoos “declare” a civil war. All those toy soldiers aka weekend warriors. You know the type who own 300 guns lives in a bomb shelter and has been praying for the world to end since 1979. Those folks with have to contend with not you or me per say. The will contend with the United States Military. The tuffest military and the most trained, and frankly who has the best toys in the world for killing people. Our military is well versed in urban and rural fighting techniques. Did i mention the also own a bunch of drones. Yeah im not to worried
If they organize, they won't even make it to the military, they will be quickly stopped by our militarized police force. I fear that this is going to end up with crazy people commiting random acts of terrorism.
Some of those that work forces...
Crazy people are already committing random acts of terrorism, remember when some Trumper took out an electrical substation about a year ago and left a couple dozen thousand people without heat or power in the dead of winter? All that to shut down a drag show (supposedly).
That's honestly been their gameplan for years. Anders Breivik might've been the first to put it to widespread paper in his manifesto, but the whole idea of terror cells was something that right-wing militias have been wargaming since the 80s. Even when you get a bunch of terror incidents grouped REAL tight together (like the Pride parade situations we've had lately, which all seem to share MOs), they get written off as "just a bunch of dudes" or "lone wolves" and never get reported on as "well Jim and Tim and John and Tom are assumed to be part of a larger terror network" because saying "hey this seems likely to be a problem and we should be on the lookout" doesn't sell papers the same way as "CRAZED LONE WOLF" does.
stopped by our militarized police force
So, um, about that...
random acts of terrorism
Dude they've been doing this for so long; mass killings stopped being news.
I think it's important to remember how many civilians we killed in Iraq trying to get the bad ones. Yes, the US military would put down an insurrection... I don't know know how fast it would be, and I don't know that they wouldn't kill my kids when they drone strike the guy down the street...
In their pipe dreams (and their Chatapp groups or whatever), the US military will fight on their side. Oh boy are they in for a surprise.
I wouldn't count on the military being on a particular side, but I should point out that their record against illiterate dipshits who don't understand wearing shoes is 0-2.
Then again, their record on the rare instance they fight against fascists is 3-0, undefeated. And those wins were against the best the fasch had to offer, delivered pretty spectacularly.
The thing I worry about is how much more angry some Americans will become as AI starts to really eat up the jobs. The radicalized far right wing has already painted Big Tech as somehow liberal/leftist (lol) because they are being "censored" on platforms like pre-Xitter Twitter or Facebook.
Imagine how they'll react when it becomes obvious that "Big Tech" has come/is coming for their jobs. I fear people that were unradicalized before may suddenly be thrown into despair with lots of time on their hands, and the usual suspects giving them easy "answers" as to the cause. You just know that DEI, "woke", and Biden's hard drive, oops, I mean, "laptop" will be the kinds of things blamed for it.
AI is 95% hype, so it won't happen especially not for the kind of jobs they like and are capable of. But then again just instilling the fear in them is probably enough.
Do they actually think the military will join them?
Even if they did, how long do they think planning a war against the united states would take?
Do they remember how it went last time they pulled this?
Ending reconstruction was a Fucking mistake.
Are we going to see blacked out USA flags with an orange stripe?
Civil War? Sounds serious.
So when are democrats dropping gun control?
gun control is too politicized of a term to be used specifically. It can range from "taking away all guns ever, completely, forever" to "hey maybe don't give violent offenders guns probably" Which is a uh variety of opinions that one can have.
Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc... Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended.
Oh yes please I hope you're right because I have been getting dinged and banned for years for telling them to do exactly that
Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc... Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended
Man. I've got some bad news about the founding fathers to tell you...
Any of his idiot base that think it's worthwhile to have a....checks notes....civil war over this stupid buffoon deserve the inevitable outcome.
One of the saddest parts for his followers is they think they are getting that strong man that's going to clean up all that is wrong in their books and make it like some rose colored memory of how good things use to be before the world become too complicated for them to handle.
Trump isn't coming in to do that kind of hard work, he's doing it for the title, prestige, and the fact he "deserves" to be president, he should be president because he's special.
Not to say it's all about his ego which it is, but it's also pretty handy in his mind to help deal with his mounting legal issues while slow to play out but they are piling up like Everest.
It's unfortunate most won't recognize the need for a leader to do the hard work of a true servant leader. It's been a long time since we've seen one of those. Many will argue we've seen that in Carter and even perhaps despite his advancing years a little in Biden but most people have been turned against such presidents with soft skills willing to do the hardwork.
They seem to want those with a finger on the button ready to blow up anyone that dares challenge the US. That's another area Trump supporters will be let down in when it comes to Russia...
Let's get on with it! I'm still waiting for the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters getting mowed down.
the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters
Oh, the Chairborne Rangers? Or is it Meal Team Six? Or the Gravy Seals? Of course, we also know the Talibangelicals, Walmartyrs, the Yeehawdists and the Oaf Keepers. But there are also the Q Cucks Clan, Cupcake Commandos, Vanilla Isis and Midlife Isis, but don't forget the Green Beignets, Waffle SS, 1st Chairborne, KFC-9, Special Farces and Snack Ops.
As you can see, they are a very diverse [all-white] group of [seriously hungry] patriots!
You forgot the Special Chair Service.
Just what we need... another civil war... bleh.
If that happens it'll just be a half assed January 6th thing again. If there was a "real" civil war, both sides of the political divide would be fighing each other more than the actual current government. It would probably just devolve into terrorists blowing each other up all the time in more of a gang warfare type thing.
The problem is that we're approaching politics like sports. We root for our team, and boo the other side relentlessly. Government, though, is not a zero-sum game. We don't automatically win when the other side loses, and sometimes we all lose.
The confusion with the Cannon case in this thread is apt, actually. Because we all do the same stuff. We just think we have facts in our side. I've openly wondered whether Cannon has a new RV in her driveway, after reading some of her rulings. All the shit that the MAGAs are saying about the other judges, we are saying about Cannon. We can't both be right.
This is the real civil war here. It won't be Sherman carving a path to the sea. But it will be two sides with such different ideas about what is true that "patriots" will take it upon themselves to conduct asymmetrical warfare. i think it will look more like Belfast in the 1970's than Atlanta in the 1860's.
Shouldn't come as a surprise really. They have even set a date for April the 12th
Yeah, what's the big deal? I'm excited for it.
Yeah. That's enough time to organize something like this, right?
There will be no "civil war" until republicans win again.
Cops are gonna cop either way (so do nothing other than find the nearest brown kid they can beat on until The Public gets mad enough that they have to act). Even a bunch of untrained gravy seals with ar-15s are going to leave the cops shitting themselves and crying while they play gacha games on their phones. It is the military (mostly National Guard) who are going to matter.
And Jan 6 already showed how that plays out. They are going to do whatever they are ordered to. So if the POTUS is actively trying to murder the VPOTUS and the president pro tem and so forth? Doesn't matter because the person they report to is telling them to not act or, after seeing Jan 6 "fail", to impose martial law to protect the country. Just.. not over there. We got some uppity negros what need putting down first.
If anyone who actually cares about the country is in power (so... Democrats and a very small subset of third parties)? We roll up on the gravy seals with a few drones that drop tear gas and we are done. If it is the republicans? It won't be a "civil war" so much as a series of lynchings.
Can you imagine if the Jan 6er's had to go longer than say what, 12 hours? These pastey white middle aged men would be wrapping it up to goto waffle house as soon as the sun went down.
No. They'd have water and food delivered to them by the police. Just look at all the BLM Protests.
One random guy on Twitter "there will be a civil war!"
Raw Story: "THE REPUBLICANS ARE THREATENING CIVIL WAR!"
I guess "random Twitter account spouts bullshit" isn't as compelling a headline.
Well, it wouldn't be too difficult to defeat a gullible and unstable army
"army" is too strong a word here. Maybe armylet?
Rabble
Bring it on, fatties!
Commenter Michale Darwin wrote, "Look at the judge's body language. Anyone can see that that judge hates Trump's guts. Or that judge has taken some sort of a bribe,"
They are so fucking delusional.
Cannon is one of the FLORIDA judges. Not GEORGIA.
“tHerE wiLL bE a ciViL wAr…”
Sure Jan
Cool bros, you'll lose.
It's telling how ambiguous this headline is (either "fans of Trump are raging" or "Trump is fanning the rage").
Plus, the military kind of needs to step in and quell a civil war
The gravy seals ain't gonna do well
Don’t they remember what happened last civil war?
There was a chorus of "DUHRURDHUDRHDUHDUHRU URRR DHUEHRDHRUHDHDHDHRUHUDHRUDHURHUD!!" outside of the court room.
Civil war isn't going to go the way they think it will, but the problem with these morons is they could lose a civil war and walk away convinced they won.
Wouldn't be the first time...
BRING IT!!!!!
Say when, bitches.
Declare it already. Quit your pussy-footing.
All these obese retirees and their incel offspring think the fucking US Military is afraid of a little asymmetric warfare. Guys, we invented this shit. All you're doing is opening the doors for your prison sentence to include torture at gitmo. That's assuming you don't get shot dead and left to rot in a field.
glhf, literally no one is scared of you. Again, just say when.
The VAST majority of them won't get off their fat-ass any more than they did on J6.
Yes, the J6 crowd wasn't small by any means, but they weren't an "army" in any sense of the word, they were a mob of stupid and violent people.
Civil war requires planning, and most Maga followers aren't capable of anything more complex than ranting on social media.
Cannon says "no" to the defense for the first time this trial and they turn on her immediately
what a bunch of traitorous snowflakes
This is not about Florida though. Cannon is the Florida classified documents case.
I know.. it's hard to keep track with all the trials:
I probably forgot some...
Also, if those people could read they'd realize the only reason she said no right now, is she wants to allow that argument to be used as a defense during the trial, where she can then acquit him herself and give Jack Smith no chance to appeal. She only said that the argument couldn't be used to dismiss the charges before the trial starts. If she did say yes to Trump's request right now, Smith could appeal and a higher court would slap her down in a second for this blatantly incorrect interpretation of the law, and cut off Cannon's plan to acquit Trump of all charges during the trial. She is bending over backwards to not rule on anything before the trial, so nothing can be appealed beforehand, and then get to the trial stage when her dumb shit will be effectively unappealable. Everything in her recent order is still to Trump's benefit.
Cmon man at least make sure it's the right case if you're not going to read the article
Lol. What was the "half-decent reasoning behind it"?
"Reason" and "morals" are unfortunately not synonymous :(
If your morals say that killing to reduce the costs of accommodating disabilities is okay then your reason will dictate you start killing people in wheelchairs.
This is honestly why I feel like us liberals fail so often: you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. The position "white people are superior" - the starting point from which many of these heinous behaviors begin - isn't about logic and reason. So trying to use logic and reason to explain why killing minorities is bad won't work. We act like if we could just explain how unreasonable they're being everything would be okay. But that's not how it works.
You have to address the rotten foundations first. Otherwise they will continue to spout off what sounds like reason if you just accepted their premise.
Reject the premise, not the logic used to get from the premise to the behavior
They probably mean secession, but don’t understand the reasoning behind the secession.
As much as I agree with the rest of the comment, we don't allow ableist slurs. Removed.
I'm not from the US so I'm not entirely sure what was wrong, but fair enough I guess.
I just don't see it. I know plenty of trumpers and they live pretty peaceful lives. Sure they are probably resentful like the rest of us but they are also elderly and worn out.
Come on grandpa let's go load the musket and shoot at dem dare yankees.
I just don’t see it. I know plenty of trumpers and they live pretty peaceful lives.
You don't see it? What exactly do you think happened on January 6th 2021?
Honestly, that was the red neck equivalent of a party getting out of hand
A few violent drunks led a mob of drunk sheep
Obviously their action were consequential and the fact they attack democracy itself (which is some they still do not understand) was serious.... But this was akin to a mob of idiot Habs fans burning cars because their team lost a playoff game
Bunch of elderly people joined a mosh pit and went home before it got too late.
Edit:
Oh man. People hate that I'm not scared of the maggats.
Oh wow another lawsuit to follow which is going to lead to absolutely nothing.
Aren't people tired of this theatre yet?
This is one of the dumbest things about conservatives in the US ...... we're going to start a civil war - for Trump.
I could agree to many political arguments about rebelling against your own government but to say you want to start a civil war to defend a completely morally bankrupt individual that has absolutely no care for you at all has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
MAGAs are being swindled and don't know it.
If you tell them they are being swindled, with proof, they won't believe it and take it out on you instead for suggesting it.
They'd rather be ignorant than be proven wrong. This is also why phone/computer scammers keep going after the same people. The victims never want to believe they were duped until it's too late.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
They're not being conned, they're in on the con. Notice how there is nothing consistently rational about the messaging. The issues they're concerned about and what they say they want done about them all change daily. But they all point in one direction.
They've identified themselves as the in-group, they've identified the out-groups, and they want to stomp all over those out-groups and take everything they've got. Their money, their dignity, their lives. Whatever proves that they're on top.
Remember the second part of that LBJ quote:
They know the consequences and they're willing to risk it. Calling them idiots does not prepare us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves now.
Sunk cost fallacy is real and MAGA is all in on their shitty investment of tearing the system down, repressive policies and generalized white & hetero supremacy
And Putin and Xi laugh all thr way to the bank. Well maybe not putin he's a little busy
After fifty years on this planet I can only tell you the bar keeps getting raised, but it's not always the bars we might wish.
This is what happens when you handle traitors with kid gloves.
Against who?
If it's against the government, then it's a coup d'état.
See how well that's working out for the January 6 crowd.
And that’s the thing, they don’t want a civil war with the government, they want a civil war with ‘liberals’. They can’t control government the way they want to so they instead want to eliminate the people who vote differently than they do.
Ever wonder why they phrase it "take back our country"? It's not a coup in their eyes.
Whom
And because of this, you can accurately gauge their intelligence
Yep. And yet, here we are.
The inescapable conclusion is that a lot of people are just really really dumb, and these dummies being armed to the teeth leaves me with very little hope for humanity. Of course, these god fearing fat dummies will be no match for any real army, let alone the US army, enough of these idiots serve in said army to cause a shit storm at the least.
Best that we can hope for now is trump insulting his sugar daddy and then accidentally stumbling out of a window
Not really that different from Southern poor people marching to war on behalf of a relative handful of wealthy land owners.
An old one that's gonna be dead probably before the war would end anyways lol.