Linux users when

Linux users install chrome now...?

Well they already had firefox installed it seems
- That's why you don't need to install another one 😘
Tutorials like this that are really simple might be a good way yo introduce the idea that Linux does not need to be difficult or complex.
Chrome is so common and it demonstrates that you can use something familiar on Linux.
- Of course. The GUI package manager is the first thing I always show people. I was still just making a joke though
- Yup, that’s been my experience with getting people to at least consider Linux as well. The first thing they ask when I tell them it’s a different OS like Mac is, “so can it run XYZ?” Most people don’t actually care and just want something that runs the apps they use.
  Interestingly, my mom (a Windows user her whole life) seemed just as alienated by macOS as by Linux. Her work gave her a Mac and she couldn’t understand anything after about a week so she just asked for a Windows system instead.
- The problem would be that graphical UIs can look very different. Each distro with all their supported desktops would require documentation. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a short introductory documentation for people who have no clue about linux. Debian claims to be the "universal operating system", but new users are usually directed towards Mint/Ubuntu/PopOS, but why? There's a possibility here.
HERESY! GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!
Only for stuff that really requires my Google-account

Real Linux users use curl and render the page in their imagination.

Imagination? That's bloat.
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Just use lynx
- I grew up with w3m, but I like your style
- Nyxt ftw
- For a moment I thought you said "LyX" and I was like: you use a LaTeX editor for browsing?
  Lynx rules btw 👍
spoke like a true veteran
When I needed to use chrome (ugh) to run a program I just compiled I googled chromium.. which didn't work.. so I tried troubleshooting it. But I don't understand c. Or why it didn't work I can't remember what happened next but it took hours.
I have ungooohlef. Chromium now though which is great.
No, we write a bash script to install whatever it is and put it in a software folder that is synced on our next new install. This script also has to be updated every time, but, you get it.
If you can't read HTML, why even bother using a computer?
I was confused because yeah... Why is this gif using a GUI?

it's always important to install chrome so google can see the first website you visit before you uninstall is www.firefox com/download

But... Firefox is always already installed.
Ah yes, the bait-and-switch strategy
Nobara came with Firefox, do most distros not?
- Does nobara still include Firefox? They moved to chromium as the default browser in 39 because kiosk mode in Firefox is Bork'd
- I know Raspberry Pi OS apps with chromium.
The GIF shows a system where generally speaking this is not required (it could have been Firefox instead of Chrome).
- Ok but the joke is that you install Chrome just to install Firefox then uninstall Chrome....

Was going to upvote then saw them install chrome. Just why? Use Firefox or Chromium

Use Firefox, not Chromium
- Use whatever you like. Circlejacking this comment everywhere will not increase Firefox marketshare.
Typical Gnome user.
No, use GNU IceCat instead, don't be shacked down by proprietary blobs restricting your freedom in your web browser

Literally no Linux user ever....

I typically end up installing chrome for the odd website that does require it. Firefox is still my daily driver on all platforms though, not sure what Mozilla is thinking with their future plans.
- You mean Chromium right?
- Use a user agent spoof extension on Firefox, should trick the website into thinking it's running chrome.
- Spoof the user-agent using an extension
- Their future plans is less firefox, more mozilla, like 2023.
- just use brave or Vivaldi

They already have that, as you can see in the clip.

Why are you showing people how to deliberately install spyware?

Is there a punchline to this I’m missing?

It's a parody of stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCRzng7LsQI
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=gCRzng7LsQI
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
- nixos users installing a web browser:
- Man, I thought having more CPU cores was what made compile jobs faster, I've never tried compiling on more screens before. TIL.
For real, I was like... so what the hell?
Maybe it's making fun of windows users who go through a 3-100 step install wizard?
It's not making fun of Macs, which IMO has the slickest installs of just dragging.
- I'd rather click a button that installed everything to the right place than relying on myself to drag a single thing to a specific folder. Opening a folder first and having to drag is... a drag. That's my opinion.

Chrome? Never! Only firefox. Eventually chromium.

Bro this is like pineapple on pizza, you know some people like it, but you also know that is objectively fucking WRONG. WTF

These days I wouldn't dare to even chrome my windows.

Pineapple is delicious on pizza thank you.
- You're welcome
Chrome is literally the same shit as Chromium but with (more) spyware. Like, there are no other added features. And some people still choose to download Chrome. WHY!?!?!?
- Some consider the spyware to be a feature ^TM

And that's the SLOW way!

Exactly

The correct way is:

    
sudo pacman -S chromium
sudo pacman -Rs chromium
sudo pacman -S firefox

chrome?

Yeah the mouse just passed over Firefox.
They have that installed already. Likely that is their main browser.

Installed Chrome via GUI

Linux users uninstalling browser: basically same as what the op shows.

Windows users uninstalling browser

21 minutes. Mother of God.
- and 22 seconds in: now most of these methods don't work
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Windows users uninstalling browser
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
you can install the Malware CCleaner on Malware Windows and uninstall it in a few minutes.

no, no, no its too easy, Wheres the terminals? and the long compile time.

(this post was written partially from and intel compute stick running gentoo, which started compiling 7hours ago and still is)

mmmm tasty 2GB of ram

Spend three days downloading and trying it distros
Pick arch
Sudo pacman install tmux, htop, {emacs, vim, nvim depending on your alignment}
Get your tmux and editor configs just right
Get into an argument on the "Discussion" section of Arch Wiki about your tmux hot keys
Share your htop screenshots on social media (and by social media I mean ~~old reddit~~ Lemmy and your IRC group with the 1 other IRC user who hasn't left yet)
Pacman install Firefox

Now show how much trouble windows users need to go through to remove S-mode because Microsoft considers chrome to be a "potential security risk", which... Yeah, it kinda is!

Or, you know

    
$ packagemanagerofchoice firefox

$ packagemanagerofchoice installoptionname firefox
the hardcorest users use lynx
- I needed to use lynx yesterday. I was sshed into s headless server and had no choice. It gotctye job done.
- or links2
Only way I know how.

I don't know why so many windows users find it so difficult to install software on linux.

Use the app store like you do on your phone

And yet, they keep opening a browser and searching "how do I install X".

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Is there a reason you add that silly link at the bottom of your comments?
- I think it is the license for his comment.
how do I install X
Go to joinmastodon(dot)org, pick an open server, then enter your email, a username and a password. easy
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- Linux had package managers long before app stores were a thing. Package managers just mean that instead of downloading NotAVirus.exe from some sketchy web site and hoping it's the app you're looking for, you get your software from a (trusted) central source, that is community maintained so you can be sure that it's up to date and secure.
  Of course, you can still manually install things. Or even build from source, giving you nearly unlimited options to tweak things as you like. But the good thing is, you don't have to.
- It's an analogy to help people understand how easy it is to install stuff on linux (applications, libraries, services, etc.). App stores are just frontends to package managers. Package managers get their packages from package repositories. On linux, there are multiple package repositories and a plethora of package repositories.
  On Android (a linux derivative) nearly each manufacturer has their own app store + Google App Store. There are also opensource app stores like the most known one: F-Droid. Which also has a default repository, but others can be easily added.
  The iPhone famously only had sideloading and often what was installed was an app store pointing to the cracker's repository. Starting April 2024, Apple will have to allow installing other app stores (only 15 years after Android) thanks to EU regulation.
  Linux allowed all that long before app stores were a thing.
  Steam, GOG, the Epic Store, and a bunch of "stores" work on the same concept. Do you balk at those too?
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We found the imposter!

apt install 'WTF IS THIS SHIT?'

apt-get
Edit: huh, I'm old school I guess, this is from debian docs:
apt(8) for all interactive command line operations, including package installation, removal and dist-upgrades.
apt-get(8) for calling Debian package management system from scripts. It is also a fallback option when apt is not available (often with older Debian systems).
- Not in years, by now.
- no need anymore, at least in ubuntu/kali

Why does gnome software looks so much smoother of an interface back then. Now the search takes forever and the interface is buggy.

Every time I've ever been aware of a Gnome update is because they changed something they shouldn't have at all or some update caused it to be buggy and slow. A lot of those were recent updates.
Gnome is just Apple UI for linux and they keep getting better at copying them.

pacman -Sy waterfox

You can smell the Manjaro influence from 3 miles away
(Unless you just like living on the edge)
- no i don't like edge too bloated ahah. no btw i used arcolinux back jn the days (6 months ago) now i'm using librewolf on windows 11 ghost spectre

So many people in the comments are being wooshed.

No i download the source code to Chromium and i build it from source with Widevine.

Why would you want Widevine in your browser?
- bc no streaming service works otherwise and if my family catches me pirating I am dunzo
- Because right now I don’t have the money to replace my NAS that died so for now I have to use streaming service and my kids will watch Netflix on my laptop sometimes and I need it to function and Firefox is always slower for me.

Literally Firefox in the dock...

Great, you can accomplish the bare essentials with Linux.

Now how do I install a program called chirp for programming 2 way radios?

Searched for a week and gave up as each set of instructions lead down a broken, redundant dependency rabbit hole with no solution in sight, Flatpack this, snap that, no explanation or even a searchable clue that could begin me a solution.

In windows I just unzip the nightly build to a directory of my choice, run the executable and it works.

Sure... Not everyone knows or needs to know about these edge case applications, but point stands, it works in windows, and everyone encounters an edge case sooner or later.

I'm keen to ditch the Microsoft hole, and I have no issue with making an effort to learn, but I can't afford to or my life in hold for hours or days at a time in order to accomplish things that already work in seconds.

I think my simple issue here is... I'm not incompetent. I can comfortably navigate a fine system in a shell, can mount and unmount, can tar -xvzf a tarball, can do most things up to writing a shell script from scratch (could cobble something

yay -S chirp-next worked with zero rabbit holes, and chirp-next worked immediately.
wine ./chirpwx.exe
I just installed chirp on my Linux Mint machine from the GUI package manager. It's packaged as a .deb file. Don't know what your issue is.
- Neither do I. If the errors made sense or the tutorials were more current I suspect I'd have no issue.
Huh. I’ve used chirp under Linux before and I just installed it with my package manager. Maybe it wasn’t available on your distro? Then it can get a lot more tricky. The other problem with these things can be permissions… once you have chirp installed maybe you need to add your user to the dial out group in order to be able to use the serial port to flash the radios.
No software is guaranteed to run on all platforms: the developers choose to make it available or not.
I did some quick googling, and it seems fairly easy to install it:
Use Ubuntu (if you're not familiar with, and don't want to be familiar with terminal basics), and install chirp from the Ubuntu App store. Snap is just a name of their package format, and their app store links to snap craft.
If you're not using Ubuntu, that's your choice, you'll either have to install snap, then do the same, but it's more work. Or play with the terminal just a bit to follow their instructions.
Details
If you're on Ubuntu or have snap installed - it's a one click operation to install chirp: https://snapcraft.io/chirp-snap
If you're on another distribution by choice: https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/ChirpOnLinux
this page has a 3 step install for mainstream Linux distributions:
Install dependencies (they've listed the commands)
Install chirp and Python dependencies (commands provided)
Run chirp
- I'm no bash wizard, but I grew up with computers through the 80's and am comfortable with using a cli, doesn't bother me at all.
  My OP got messed up with the Lemmy app I'm using and thus a large chunk went missing.
  I'm actually using Raspian on a raspberry pi, and I don't think there is a binary for armhf available through the more typical means.
  For everything else I just apt-get install xxx.
  I'll revisit later.
  I appreciate the effort in your post.
Supposing that you're asking in good faith, the answer appears to be to make a Lemmy post. There is a fair overlap with the HAM and *nix communities, especially the PubNixes. Chirp is fairly well-known so, package manager is likely the way to go.
- Don't know why I could not see this repply until today. It's been ascertained that chirp is not in the repo for Raspian Linux, so indeed that option never worked.

yay for the win

Why should you use yay to install a browser?

I’ve got a Steam Deck, and just installed Bazzite onto it, and I’m currently wishing that installing everything was as simple as this. Back when I used Linux daily there wasn’t this whole idea of “rootless” and immutable and sandboxed environments, and just figuring out how to get yad installed for steamtinkerlaunch to work had me faffing about with Nix and Fleek and Distrobox, and they’re all neat if I had the time to learn them but long story short I wish everything was package managers with a simple GUI.

You choose to tinker with your device and are now annoyed that this tinkering isn't straight forward and easy to do? Did you also complain that the custom exhaust system for your car didn't just snap on automatically? ;)
- lol, is being momentarily frustrated at a learning curve the same thing as “being annoyed”, then sure?
  People don’t learn things by staying inside their comfort zones all the time.

browsers i have:

firefox (main)

librewolf (😏)

vivaldi (no longer have installed except on my phone)

chromium (for webusb)

Get yourself a copy of Floorp. It' like Librewolf but better.

In general I don't like using "store" apps. It's far too trusting for my taste. I go to the source, I don't let somebody curate for me. To do that on linux usually involves using the terminal, which is fine. It's just a little more involved.

I kind of like the workflow on a Windows for installing things better. You enter a site address, download a file (sometimes after scanning it with another website), run the install wizard, you're in.

Definitely not a top concern in any case, these pros and cons are meaningless in the face of choosing security and privileges that come with Linux.

The store is the same packages your distro uses. Unless you're building Linux from scratch?
Who needs Distros anyways?
In my opinion the windows way of doing it is very unsafe, especially for regular users (who mostly use windows) that don't exactly know who's trustworthy, and especially on such a mainstream OS that is much more vulnerable to malware.
Linux has it very well figured out with repositories, especially universal ones like flatpak. They're much more secure and trustworthy. It has the benefits of a walled garden and the benefits of an open ecosystem.
- TBF the major reason you get more malware on a Windows is because people build Malware for Windows. It would be silly to aim your attacks towards overly suspicious tech-literate young people with little to take from on the already limited 3% of Desktop market share. If you think Linux Servers are immune to Malware, then OH WOW.

s/browser/spyware/

flatpak install firefox -y

sudo apt-get install ~~firefox~~ qutebrowser

OMG, so complicated! Literally unuseable for anyone but computer scientists!

paru -S floorp

Why would you install Chrome when Edge is also available. Or I guess you should install both.

Edge is on Linux? Either way doesn't matter bc edge is dogshit but I thought it was Windows only.
- I'm always surprised how many Linux users recommend Edge.

why doesn't my version have a launch button like the gif, btw? Genuine question. I have to launch it separately from SUPER+A every time

A major factor is the window manager you use, and the settings of that window manager. I'm not up to speed with it, but I think this one is GNOME.

Patently false

More like: how the most basic just starting linux -users install web browser

I've been using Linux for more than a decade now as my daily driver.
Count me as 'basic' and 'just starting', because I quite like the colorful, clicky and nicely animated version, where I don't have to remember anything and that works just as well.
And now out of my way, while I happily point, click and scroll to adjust my displays brightness, which is entirely possible through the terminal, but I'm not ridiculous or insecure enough for that.

Firefox is literally already right there tho...

SnowflakeOS aims to do that, check it out. It's a pretty small project though, so don't expect too much

sudo apt install firefox

This guy has super cow powers.
- That would be sudo apt install cowsay

mod+enter paru -S librewolf-bin

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Found the newb.

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I thought Linux users hated “stores”

? Linux has had "stores" since forever, the distro repositories. That is what this is. Linux users hate walled gardens, like App Store and Play Store.
We love package managers though!
Most Linux users like the benefits of having a single command/interface to search for, install, and update software. The problem is when the source(s) for those programs is locked down.

AI content?

What
It's a subversion on these memes

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