Aggressive support given!

WHATS THAT SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU IM CRANKING THE HOG RIGHT NOW TRANSPHOBES GTFO (DISRESPECTFULLY) 🏳️‍⚧️
- but it’s weird so its gonna happen
  But it shouldn't happen.
  "This is how things are" is a terrible excuse for why we should allow them to be that way.
  Hopefully you're just being sarcastic tho
- God I hope you forgot the /s
- Yes, it IS not the norm. It's a minority. But that doesn't make it weird. Just because it's kind of rare doesn't make it a bad thing. It's been and still is the society that is making it weird for the people themselves. But I see a positive development to a more open minded and inclusive society, even tho the "angry people" who are against this are loud, they won't be able to stop it! And they know it, that's why they are so angry at everyone who's different as them.
- Transphobes gtfo
- Stick your hopes and prayers where you're food goes.

This is what the fediverse was created for. Casual transphobia doesn't need to be permitted and I fully support that.

Every single transphobe right now:

HELL YEAH 💖

~~Can you see my reply? I'm on lemmy.world and I thought it was still defederated from Beehaw so I shouldn't be able to see your comment O_o~~ (I'm used to being more active on my beehaw account so using my lemmy.world account threw me off, disregard this lol)
P.S. Yay trans rights and having a pro-trans meme space 😄
- Being defederated just means you can't see new posts on beehaw communities and they can't see your communities at all. If your instance and beehaw are both federated with a third instance, like the one this community is on, then you'll still be able to see comments by beehaw users on that instance.
- I can see your comment, but I'm on mastodon.cloud. 🙂
See Mozingo? Nothin'
(this comment makes more sense if you can see both lemmy.world and beehaw comments lol)
- Okay, I had the dumbs. So because lemmy.world isn't defederated from beehaw, but beehaw is defederated from lemmy.world I can see the beehaw comments on lemmy.world but not the other way around.
  False alarm, I got excited for a second there but had the dumbs. Carry on about your day.

Thank god. Reddit and Twitter were ruined by the transphobic and Nazis. Glad that isn’t tolerated here.

Thank you so much. We need that more than anything right now — where transphobic content tends to be the default on the web.

If this is the time to go full aggressive for our rights, count me in!

(And if you’re here to passive-aggressively complain about how you « don’t care about people’s sexuality » and making everyone notice you’re leaving — let me be very active-aggressive in saying « good fucking riddance » to you.)

heheh, i like this comment

"Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you!"

TRANS RIGHTS

after seeing this for a brief moment i forgot lemmy supported headings in markdown and assumed it started supporting MFM
i've been spending too much time on ~~calckey~~ firefish

There was transphobia in 196? HOW?

One of the mods made a post about how this comment being really creepy about trans men's bodies somehow wasn't transphobic and then deleted it after people started calling them out lol
- Thank you for providing good context on this thread. The original comment was ass, but not important overall. If the mod hadn't decided to explicitly defend it, this wouldn't even be a conversation. This entire discourse would have been avoided if it wasn't for a shitty mod post.
- The guy said he wasn't into dicks and that it would be weird to like something about his partner that they would want gone and dislike. That's not transphobic. It honestly bonkers that people find that to be transphobic.
Most people seem to agree it wasn't transphobia, but here's the context: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561
There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active, but they got shut down pretty quickly
- There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active
  That is what prompted this post. It happens every single time trans stuff comes up. There is no space for it here.
- The post seems transphobic in a "chaser" sort of way to me, not trans though.
Honestly I didn’t realize this was a trans community. I thought ‘196’ was just some random number like the ‘4’ in 4chan. 196 just had good content. The fact it’s inclusive is just a bonus.
- The entire instance lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans themed instance therefore every community on it is slanted towards trans community and support.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blåhaj
- That's partially to blame for all 196 communities having this weird "if you know you know" approach to writing their mission statement and rules. I've seen numerous people ask wth is 196 because of how vague the communities they saw were.
  But, particularly about the social politics, here's also the thing I think. Trans rights are human rights. Communities fall under two categories: Welcoming to trans people, versus inherently evil. So I don't think that a community is pro-trans should ever have to be stated. It should be assume, and whoever has a problem with it should go fuck off from society, Satan has a place for them.
- It's not a trans community per se, it's more of a more trans-friendly shitposting community. Like, I think, even now majority of posters aren't trans. And majority of content is not trans-themed, it's not traa. It's a good place if you don't want to see only trans-themed memes, but also don't want to see transphobia
- Variety makes things better.

i am old and cis but trans shitposters are the best shitposters, this is indisputable. you have my support

And my axe! 🎸
- and my d20

100% based; Was already worried where this community was headed

BLÅHAJ Lemmy W

- Which part

Damn ~~straight~~ queer.

I'm just your run-of-the-mill white cismale dude, but I know several trans people in real life including an old friend of mine and a 7-year-old kid across the street from me. Everyone deserves respect and dignity of life.

Trans people are cool. Love em. Full human rights for everyone, end discrimination. This post, though, is obnoxious though.

Sending edicts out to the public is never the play. Use your sidebar. Moderate stuff. Make it cool to not be a bigot. But the second you start doing goofy shit like this, you're painting a target on your back and coming across way more fragile than you must actually be.

I personally have a policy about blocking any community that has admins who feel it necessary to try to police people's thoughts. As much as bigots piss me off, this isn't how people conduct themselves in a place that purports to be a safe haven. You don't patronize and denigrate the general public out of frustration, unless you want them as an enemy for some reason. The idea you needed you adjust your terminology in retrospect confirms how poorly you wrote your initial message.

Also, I have to say, "We allowed 196 to be here" is a curious statement. What exactly did you allow? Is opening a community a big endeavor? I've opened up a bunch, and never have I felt like I was owed someone for doing it.

Ban bad behavior. Don't try to tell people how to think. We have a word for the latter and it's not pretty.

They're not telling anyone "how to think". They're telling transphobes and "trans sceptics" to fuck off. And who cares if they do it with a pinned post rather than a sidebar announcement? Some apps hide the sidebar in a menu.
Also when you say you opened a bunch of communities, do you mean you hosted them? Because those two women are literally running the server this instance is running on. Doesn't sound all that easy to me.
So block this instance? I'm not sure why you feel the need to post about it.
Also I have a bone to pick about the 'telling people how to think is wrong. We have a word for the latter and it's not pretty'. Firstly that's pretty polemic for no good reason. Assuming you're dancing round the word fascist, it seems pretty unpleasant and unnecessary to allude to the group that committed genocide of queer people and deliberately destroyed research into trans issues to set it back decades.
Now onto the substance of the claim -- that telling people how to think is fascist. This is completely absurd, the key difference being that fascists don't just 'tell people how to think'; they brutally enforce it with violence.
This post and the trans women making it are not about to use the full force of the state to prevent people thinking about transphobia. What they are doing is posting that, to take part in the community that they are investing money to host, you must unambiguously support trans rights.
The comparison you have implied is completely and utterly absurd, and the dramatic language and comparisons you have used to make it is cringe.
Moderate stuff. Make it cool to not be a bigot. But the second you start doing goofy shit like this, you're painting a target on your back and coming across way more fragile than you must actually be.
Super hot garbage take. It's not trans people's job to make it "appealing" to you to not be a bigot, you should not be a bigot because you don't want to be a steaming pile of human garbage. You should be able come to the conclusion that ANY discrimination is stupid by yourself.
It's also not trans people's jobs to make supporting them fun for you - they just want to live their lives like anyone else here does. And it's well within their right to call out discriminatory bullshittery when they see it.
Plus, they are literally running this instance. This community wouldn't exist (in this form) if their instance were not up and running. If they're strictly against transphobia, which really isn't a hot take but basic human rights, then it's their perogative to enforce that as they see fit. Making this post and calling it out is exactly what any mod team on Rexxit ever did. How's this any different from that?
- Yeah. Whenever this is pointed out I see people saying "oh so you DON'T think it should be cool not to be a bigot? Nice political strategy there", and completely missing the point. It's already not cool to be a bigot, and communities like this one are already reinforcing that with the trans-positive memes. On the whole, so is media made by trans people, and many other things.
  So by denying this when they say that, they're implying that "being cool" means even more than that. The implication is that trans people need to be conciliatory and open up their spaces to people that want them dead, and that when they "critique" us we should just sit there and take it but when we critique them it's "thought policing".
  It's a completely ridiculous ask, not to mention cowardly that they'll wrap it behind implication rather than just say it to our faces.
we allowed 196 to be here
These aren't mods talking, it's admins. They manage and pay for the server 196 is hosted on, that's a pretty big endeavor
Boo hoo
admins who feel it necessary to try to police people's thoughts
massive self report that you consider the admins saying "don't be transphobic on our instance" to be "policing people's thoughts"
ohhh noooo
"Thought policing"? It stops being a thought when you put the effort into typing it on your keyboard and spewing it out into the world for everyone else to read.
Getdafugouttahere.
lemmy.blahaj.zone determines the rules of conduct. They have determined that "Just Asking Questions" to push anti-trans views and other types of masked, subtle transphobia is not tolerated in this space.
You're not being told how to think, you're being shown the door.
Yeah I’m in full support of trans rights, but this post comes off as a bit overlordy. I read the comments that OP deleted through the link they provided and some were just talking about how they liked a trans man’s boobs. It wasn’t transphobia at all. Another comment removed was talking about the oppression trans people go through and how it might affect their mental states. Not sure why this is happening because it’s not transphobic to discuss trans topics, especially if you literally just find an aspect of the human body attractive. I’m out.

Trans rights are women's rights.

Trans rights are men's rights.

Trans rights are human rights.

If you believe otherwise, you're doing nothing less than questioning the basic humanity of Trans people. And you can fuck right off.

Hello, Based Department, we've got another Based Community here.

Trans rights are human rights!

Sad to hear that's been happening on Blahaj. Full and unambiguous support from me! 🐝

It hasn't been happening on Blahaj as such. The transphobes come from other instances, but have been posting their BS here
- Right, that's what I imagined. If there's anything I can help with or if you just want to vent, feel free to DM at any time on Matrix

I'm mostly just a lurker in this community but here I go: Trans rights are human rights 👍

Trans rights 💪✊!!
Still cis though 🥵

Making all the transphobes come out of the woodwork to get banned with this one~ Appreciate everyone's unambiguous support <3

Trans women are women. Girldick is best dick.

Know that you are loved. ^And also sexually objectified. Sorry bout that... ^

-Sincerely a cis lesbian.

Can you explain the girldick thing? I'm a transman and that comes off as one of the many things that are low key alienating in expressions of support, but it's possible I'm just mistaken.
- I'm not the person you were seeking clarification from but I took her comment to mean that she is a cis woman that's sexually attracted to women, but also enjoys P.I.V. sex. Therfore she would be happy to discover that a woman she is attracted to has a penis.
  That's just my interpretation though.
- The original reference (which triggered the OP to post) is a cis man saying he wouldn't sleep with a pre op trans woman.
  He said something along the lines that girldick is disgusting, I'm saying it's hot.
  If that's problematic I can delete (not sure how that works on lemmy though). I would rather hear it from a trans woman though. If you want to discuss, go for it.
And Trans women are cool!
-Sincerely an allied cis man

I don't subscribe to this community but I found your post in the top of my feed. And want people to know, you have my support. I think it's awesome that you're able to build this community.

I'm not going to be aggressive in any online discussion but I am very sensitive to the situation. My brother was a gay man who had lots of difficulties and ultimately took his own life. I will always wonder if society was different, if he'd still be here.

So I will never shy away in real life. I promised the memories of my brother to always be that change that is needed. I will be that cis dude who takes the time to try and change people who show me their bigotry.

I know people in real life who have transitioned. It's a very difficult process and anyone who feels that they need it, they should have access to it. The look of being comfortable in one's own skin afterwards is absolutely observable. I can only do what I can do but you will always have an ally in me.

I'd hug you right now if I could.

🏳️‍🌈fuck your hate🏳️‍🌈

Trans people are regular, real people. Like my college friend. Or my wife's HS friend. Or that one kind soul I worked with once.

I'm so god damn sick of all the hatred and lies and bullshit and murder and sadistic laws against trans people.

I loudly applaud any space that actively supports trans people and gives them a place free from hatred and assholes.

The fact that they need a space away from everyone else, and the fact that this post even had to be made, is a testament to mankind's inhumanity to man. People are people, but there's an unsettling amount of people that can't see past creed, color, sexuality, and so on.
I'd say it's a monument to our own hubris as well. We're the most advanced civilization that we know exists, but still can't seem to treat members of our own society right.

WHAT THE FUCK (RESPECTFULLY) FUCK UNAMBIGUOUS SUPPORT AGGRESSIVE SUPPORT TILL THE DAY I DIE MOTHERFUCKR 🏳️‍⚧️

Both are welcome, but unambiguous is the minimum requirement. You're more than welcome to go above and beyond :)
- What is aggressive support?

It's comforting to know that this community is intolerant of transphobia

And intolerant of anyone who doesn't agree with all they say.
- "agree"... bruh. This doesn't concern you. Just let them be and keep it shut ffs. You don't have to tell them how you don't "agree" with them. What's not to agree with anyway? You going to disagree with ADHD when you don't have it and don't know shit about it? Maybe walk a mile in someone's shoes before you decide you're the arbiter of their experiences. Or better maybe realize there are other perspectives and experiences and the world is better when you listen and learn and stow it?
- "They"
  mask off moment

Thank you! I followed 196 over here from Reddit when it moved and I appreciate you reaffirming its principles. I think the move to Lemmy paradoxically gave 196 more visibility to people who don't necessarily agree with those principles because its posts wind up so prominent on All, especially in smaller instances. It's kind of hilarious how many posts I've seen asking why people on Lemmy say "rule" all the time 😂

Edit: in closing, fuck transphobes

Remember; not supporting trans rights means you're on the same side as those using laws and judges to strip women of their autonomy around the world. <3

Which is why it's important to give no quarter to fascism and theocracy no matter where you live.
Proud to carry my Satanic Temple card right next to my goddamn union membership book.

Thanks for this, honestly it was worrying how many upvotes some transphobic replies were getting.

A reminder that open registration on even a single federated instance means that having 50 sockpuppets to upvote yourself is trivial. Scores here should not be taken as consensus

I'm glad yall posted this but I'm bummed it's no longer "aggressive." Anybody who pretends that the wording of "aggressive support" is concerning is probably afraid of triggering that aggression themselves... and they should be.

People were thinking that aggressive meant that they had to be explicitly active in trans spaces and talking about trans stuff. What I wanted to convey is that someone doesn't have to talk about trans stuff to post here, but if they do talk about trans stuff, it needs to be unambiguously supportive.
I however remain aggressively supportive, and will continue to ban bigots, reply guys and "just asking question" dog whistlers as soon as they appear :)
- That's why people like me will continue coming here.

Nobody deserves to be bullied or hated for simply existing. Transphobes go away! Trans rights are human rights!

Will spend the next days reporting transphobes if necessary <3 best wishes from Germany

What the fuck, transphobia on 196?

Trans rights 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

FOR TRANSPHOBES ITS BECOME ECONOMICALLY NONVIABLE TO LIVE IN LOSER CITY BUT SORRY (SMUGLY) MTHERFUCKERS TRANSPHOBES NEED NOT APPLY 🏳️‍⚧️

Based.

Thank you for creating a safe space. I'm an ally to the LGBTQ+ community and am happy there's a space not for "everyone", but for those willing to accept trans folk and silence those against them (while having funny posts on it as well).

As an Asexual Gender-Fluid person with trans friends, I fully support this

I'm here because 196 shows up on my feed and I really enjoy the memes.
I also have absolutely no problem with trans individuals or really any lifestyle anyone wants to live that isn't hurting anyone else.
That said, was there an incident recently on here that spurred the creation of this post? Did something go down?
Edit: Changed "bothering" to "hurting" because I frankly don't give a fuck about the feelings of the type of people that are "bothered" by LGBT+.

Someone made a comment saying that they'd be down to fuck a trans man if they hadn't transitioned yet because he likes women. It was controversial, but then one of the mods here decided to post a screenshot of that comment on the main, and the people in the comments were fucking horrendous. It's all "I'm an ally, but..." statements. Some of them were fine, but even the best ones were just people taking the opportunity to say that they don't wanna fuck trans people. And that's fine, you don't have to be attracted to trans people at all, but a trans safe space isn't the spot for that discussion at all.
The mod shouldn't have posted what's essentially bait, nor should they have not actually moderated the thread after posting the bait. I'm pretty sure the instance admin ended up having to handle it. The guy who made the original comment is saying it was him, but that's not really what matters. This controversy was more about properly moderating the space than anything.
- Random person: exists
  Assholes: Everyone needs to know whether I would fuck this person or not!
- Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
- Someone asked if a straight guy would fuck a trans man, straight guy responded by saying he'd be down to fuck a trans man if they hadn't transitioned yet. In a later comment he said he was attracted to post op trans women and pre op trans men. It wasn't aggressive transphobia, but grouping trans people by their genitals in a space like this isn't going to be appreciated.
  The real problem came with the thread the mod posted. If I didn't know better, I'd assume it was a baitpost. Mod made the post then quickly disappeared after people in the new thread started their "I'm an ally, BUT..." comments. Original commenter said he can't be friends with trans women because they all have chips on their shoulders. Someone said trans people are the Karens of the LGBT community and weren't wanted. Just a lot of shit that shouldn't be on an instance that is literally a trans safe space.

Joining most of the people here in saying, "Huh, what community?" I'm not against trans people, and I despise bigots, but I'm not a part of your community either.

To be honest I don't care to be part of any federated community that defines itself by what it won't tolerate, grow up and use the block feature.

I'm not part of that community either. I'm truly amazed at the number of indignant comments like yours, which demonstrate that you took the post as addressed to you. It obviously wasn't. It was explicitly addressed to posters on 196. I'd recommend being less self-centered, but if you disagree, I'm sure that community would be happy to see you go.
I see it as an effort to establish a mission statement and that they are only interested in conversations that further that mission. I don't see a problem and I also agree with you that there is no community for you there, but I don't see how maturity plays a part.
grow up and use the block feature.
I'm really sick of this talking point. If history hasn't demonstrated to you that ignoring a problem doesn't resolve the problem then you take ought to go back and read some more.
If you can't stand to be bothered by others trying to carve out consideration for your fellow humans then I'm glad this may be our only interaction.
Fucking THIS.
Based and lainpilled.
Community is the term for a "sub" on Lemmy.

Heck yeah! Fuck Transphobia!

Damn straight. Us queers need to stand together and there can be no god damn LGBTQ+ without the flippin T.

Us ~~queers~~ need to stand together
I'm not trying to co-opt anything. Far from. I just want to remind everyone that you don't need to know your place in the rainbow to want to see its beauty.

I loved the original 196 and how supportive it was for LGBTQ+ people. Also because it was hilarious. Keep rockin

Just read the post that started this all. I thought that hating a person for having a sexual preference that doesn't agree with you, it's exactly what the queer community was fighting against. Well you do you. Plus demanding aggressive support only is in really poor taste. Great job making a meme thread into political crap. Yes, let's burn down everything because I don't agree with a part of it.

You're the one commenting on this instance. They manage it and can make the rules. I for one am happy to have a space where I don't need to worry about assholes making creepy comments about their sexual preferences and casually bigoted opinions.
- For real, I love the way Lemmy works so much. It makes it so much easier to keep out bigots and creepy folks
- This instance wasn't a political sub. This was for the memes. A person stating their sexual preference isn't being creepy. Just cause that one's person opinion isn't liked doesn't mean they can be piled onto. Of course when you start stating extremist views you will get people that say the opposite no matter what. That's what happens when you start hate. You get hate back. I guess you haven't read the original thread.

Thank God. THAT post earlier was shocking me.

Trans rights are human rights. Trans people's existence doesn't get to be dictated on other's whims, or have their validity be aproved by other's checklists. Trans people get to live and be respected. Dismissing someone's right to live that literally is just trying to exist peacfully just because you don't feel like treating them as a human being says everything. I want to have trans people feel safe in their environments,whichever that is (online or irl), and we can't achieve that unless we're vocal, straightfoward and fierce in our activism for trans rights. Because trans rights are human rights. Thank you for being here and being a part of this community.

Ngl I joined this community because I thought it was a trans meme sub/community/whatever based on the colours in the logo :3

TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

TRANS RIGHTS!!! 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

Trans rights!

I'm more of a casual user so I haven't seen the transphobia here but fuck transphobes and you should all have a place to feel safe.

I'm here because this showed up in all.

I don't "aggressively support" squat. I do stand up for life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness. Someone being trans does not affect anyone's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness until they get aggressive.

Why are you showing up in a comment section without having most of the context on a post that doesn't concern you or your communities? Legit asking, what is the point of this comment?
- I did not join this community nor this server, it was thrust upon me.
  I support trans rights, don't get me wrong.
  I am just offended by a post thrust upon me and then they claim "this isn't the community for you". I DIDN'T JOIN THE DAMN COMMUNITY IN THR FIRST PLACE.
What does that even mean?
until they get aggressive
This like not being racist, but they shouldn't be so loud with those blm protests?
Not homophobic, but they shouldn't have to make everything gay in the summer?
Maybe in wrong (I hope I am), but that is what your comment sounds like.
- I do not support the BLM protests as they had them because they were violent, yet I support black rights. I understand also Martin Luther King Jrs statement not to have violent protests because it makes the protesters out to be the bad guys.
  I was at the Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) protests in standing rock protesting against the encroachment of native Americans rights. As and I told them also, "it is not good if you break the law, it makes it look like you are the bad guys. Rather stress how much THEY are breaking the law.
  I do not support violent protests for the most part, unless life is at stake.
You can hide posts and block coummunities without leaving pointless contrarian garbage on them

Oh cool, I was getting kind of uncomfortable with how things were going, this sounds just right.

Trans rights! Y'all deserve aggressive support!

It was the only (as far as I know) general shitposting community on reddit that wasn't casually racist/homophobic/transphobic, because of this a lot of LGBTQ+ people flocked to it for their memes.
Honestly, I have no idea. We ended up with this community during the massive reddit migration because we are a queer focused instance, but I'm not sure of the history. I didn't even know the community existed before that :)
- I have no idea what the history of 196 being queer is, but it was an extremely queer subreddit. I think it has something to do with how many trans people also happen to be shitposters.
iirc, for awhile the first and only user flair available on r/196 was "trans rights"
- Based
- Hmm that explains it then. Thanks for the info!

As far as I know the original subreddit this com came from was very trans, to the point where I, as a cis straight ally, was nervous that I was somehow not supposed to be in it. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one.

So I'm witchu

I must have good filters or something, because I don't think I've noticed any TP / TERFing in here. Sad.

(of course i follow from a mastodon account so i probably miss a lot of stuff)

Just so you know, before I say anything, I am happy that you've joined this community. I don't want anything I say to seem like I'm discouraging you from participating. The overall point of what I'm about to say is that this should be a trans community. I don't want you to feel uncomfortable because you don't know if you're allowed, but at the same time I wish that non-queer people as a group had to have a moment of empathy of "oh this place isn't for me". It's a similar fear to how trans people feel in men's and women's spaces
196 is extremely trans oriented at this point, to the point that I'd consider it a borderline trans community. I like that it isn't fully trans though. You know how often cis people have a monopoly on the conversation on a distributed community? There's nothing necessarily wrong with cis people having that control, but why can't trans people have that same space? Other people are allowed of course, but if we have to enter a separate reality for other people's communities, other people should have to enter ours. There's no way for us to force an equal medium, the best way we can enforce that is by wanting empathetic but easy experiences for other.
- WADR, that's really not at all been true.
  https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/z1kzd6/r196isinclusiveyoudontneedtofeelexcluded/
  https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/y6v4kf/the196demographicsurveywhichabout6000/

You have my full support.
As a.. whatever the hell I am.. I support everyone to be who they want to be. No exceptions.

Just wondering what does 196 means anyway? Clueless lemmy user here.

Ps I'm ally of LGBTQ2S+.

Back on Reddit some dude and his roomates made a subreddit called r/195 (their dorm number). It only had one rule, when you visit, you have to post a meme. Eventually the public found the subreddit and started posting their own memes. It got huge and out of hand and some awful stuff started getting posted so they finally deleted the subreddit. That disappointed a bunch of people so a sequel was made, r/196. This community is a recreation of that second subreddit.
- This should be in the sidebar so the lore isn’t lost.
196 was a shitposting subreddit back on, uh, Reddit, which had one rule - you had to post before you left.
It became known as a very trans-friendly shitposting subreddit and honestly probably one of the better shitposting subreddits in general.
Now it's migrated at least partially to the Fediverse.
All I know is that 196 communities have The Rule which is that you must post something before you leave.
@Lightsong
- Sorry if I'm being dense but how does that relate to transphobia? Do the messages they post tend to be transphobic or something?

Also people remember to report assholes! Don't interact, report them. Mods will handle it.

TRANS RIGHTS FUCK YEAH 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

thank you so much for making this clear again ada, it was getting bad :(

I'll be honest I think alienating people feeling in the middle is a bad idea, making an echo chainber is ehat those other websites are for, and people on the middle ground are the ones whose beliefs matter the most as they they are the only ones that will change things.

There shouldnt be any middle ground on the statement "trans rights are human rights". If you think there's room for compromise on the oppression of marginalized groups then you're either a lost cause or willfully ignorant of the world around you. People that are in a safe space, specifically dedicated to them and people like them, have no obligation to educate or entertain disingenuous "discourse" about whether or not they should be allowed to exist.
- say it louder for the nerds in the back!
- That's not what I'm talking about and yeah there's no middle ground on the fact trans people should have human rights. I'm not sure how to put this into words but pretty much if you live in a place where you can't see trans people around you (as in trans people not being allowed to be free and safe in public) it's hard for people to just get a grasp on "this person exists and is trans and is a person" thats the big milestone. Getting people recognised as people. A while before i dated her i didn't understand how to feel comfortable with the idea (much of it was through fun memes supporting trans stuff in non-toxic ways). But my point is that showing that trans people exist and are normal is really important for the world right now, we need the people in the middle ground to know that your rights are being violated and something needs to be done because the middle does change that vote the most.
lmao "middle ground" ugh

Yeah I have no problem with you being trans, I do have a problem with this goofiness. Good luck, friends.

Defining people against hate speech is goofiness?
- That isn't at all what this post says.

🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

Personally, I don't think about other people's sexuality all that much, so I guess that makes me a non-aggressive supporter.

It's weird to impose this type of stuff, but I respect that this is your little space on the internet, so I'm leaving, as you asked. Thank you for the smiles and laughs.

trans is not a sexuality
- That's for the clarification! Like I said, I'm not super into this whole topic
“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's greatest stumbling block in his strike toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice.'
Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Not to equivocate trans and black liberation because they are very different, but do you think “aggressive” or “non aggressive” supporter of race rights better slots into the whites who demonstrated their unwillingness to go along with racism or the ones who were like “I don’t care about your race, I’m not a racist, but how dare you ask me to support you in any meaningful or visible way?”
- That's a quote from his letter from Birmingham jail, right?
  While there are, of course, major differences in trans and black liberation, I read the full letter again recently and was shocked at how much of it was applicable to the current trans rights movement. I actually get the feeling that the two movements are more alike than they are different.
  History repeats itself. I highly encourage everyone to take a half hour and read the full letter. Maybe if everyone took his words to heart, we could avoid some of the bullshit this time around. The conservative playbook of oppression hasn't changed much. It's just focused on a different target this time.
- Good point! I do think it's important to support trans rights, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said I AGGRESSIVELY support the cause. There's just a lot going on in my life right now, I just want to keep a clear mind, is all.
  That being said, I never agree with or accept signs of transphobia.
Aggressive support. I'm with ya.

Go go go. I’m so sick and tired of the hatred, the ignorance and frankly speaking, the stupidness.

I’m from a culture that is not very forgiving and tolerant, even though on the tin it says we are.

And it took me years to see and understand it. Now that I’ve conquered that ignorance, hell no we are not going to regress!!

Lemmy is in a weird state. I appreciate not seeing casual homophobia/transphobia in mainstream places like 196, but they're also not exactly inclusive of actual out-and-grown-up queer people, and there aren't enough people here yet for actual safe places to exist. I posted a comment self-referentially calling myself (a trans woman ) a "f-----" or something, and it got downvoted and deleted. This was a problem on reddit, where transphobes would report trans people for using self-referential slurs, and tone deaf reddit admins would ban their accounts. Now it seems like we're going to do it again here.

it's still early, have hope!

Not from this instance and not a contributor to this community, but just wanna say great job.

Protecting the ideals of your instance is definitely a worthy goal, and I definitely include trans people in the category of people who get shit on undeservedly from on high and deserve way better.

Wait, what happened?

From what I can tell, a stupid thread made by a confused cis straight person who was talking about why he wouldn't have sex with a trans man. Then some transphobes showed up and were banned.
This instance is a safe space for sexual and gender minorities. If cis people want to talk about their sexual preferences with regards to trans people, there are a million and one other instances to do so in. This space is not the place to do so. It should go without saying that nothing that could even be perceived as mildly insensitive towards trans people should be tolerated here. This instance should be one place we can frequent without ever having to deal with any kind of cis and straight nonsense.
- I think it's totally legit to say you're not attracted to a particular body configuration. It wasn't OP that bothered me, it was all the turdbuckets who showed up to pilot on.
- Was the OP a blahaj account, or someone from a different instance?

FUCK YES! I'm so glad to see this, the comments on some of those posts recently just gave such an ick feeling. Fuck transphobes. All hail glorious blahaj!

I get the sentiment but damn are the trans memes painfully unfunny. Y'all gotta get better at making memes or this instance is gonna remain mid.

k bye
You sound salty. If this is really such a "mid" community, why do you waste your time on it?
- I don't, funny memes pop up in my feed, I laugh and move on. Unfunny memes pop up in my feed and I move on. Unfortunately this sub seems to be targeted to me but I don't subscribe.
Oh stop the transphobic shit already!
- How was what I said transphobic in anyway.

AGGRESSIVE SUPPORT FROM AN ENBY QUEER WEIRDO! I SUPPORT YOU FAM.

Somewhat relevantly, I've long since wondered what even is the use of a patriarchy if men still can't wear skirts and nail polish.

I still have no idea how these communities are set up structurally. That said I'm quite pleased to see this as the community baseline. Stumbling into inclusivity is the best kind of stumbling.

Not on your instance but it's so good to see unequivocal inclusion and support for the trans community. There should be no room for bigotry of any kind.

Hi! Trans person here. Your heart is in the right place, but this post is poorly written. You haven't even given examples of how this is currently/could be applied. Some people are just that uneducated about trans people. If they're leading questions that invalidate us, sure. But otherwise what's the harm? For 196 there's no reason to ask about that stuff but the whole instance?? Your call in the end but I can think of a few ways this could go bad just from prior experience in other communities.

Full support here 🏳️‍⚧️

I support!

Fuck yeah 🏳️‍⚧️

Trans rights!

But muh discussion with both sides! 🤨🤔 That's not very tolerant of you, guess we know whose the real baguette now. 😤

You tell em Ada!

Genuinely thank you. This community just existing as it does has already helped me a fucking weird amount.

I used to be on the original 196 two years ago, cause it really was 99% supportive. But it has simply devolved into fetishization over time.

Be friend of Blåhaj

Yes, but….I don’t even know what 196 is. It shows up on my feed and is sometimes funny. I’m just clueless, not a bigot.

196 is a random content community with the simple rule of "post before you leave", so its filled with memes ^.
It's also a very trans friendly place. But there was a thread recently with a bunch of "just asking questions", and "trans people are just oversensitive", and "I'm not a bigot, but most trans woman have a chip on their shoulder so I am no longer friends with them" kinda stuff, on a post a (trans) mod made complaining about people reporting a pretty questionable comment.
Even if people disagreed over the original comment, the thread about it ended up being transphobic as fuck.
So presumably the admins of lemmy.blahaj.zone (a trans-run instance, who host this, main, c/196 community, on the promise it would be very trans supportive) noticed the lack of moderation of that transphobic thread and are doing something about it ^.
- Appreciate the context! When I first started seeing the posts it seemed like something I liked but I was slightly afraid from not understanding the backstory. So glad to hear that it’s a wholesome place. I feel safe subscribing now.
It's a random memeposting group that happened to evolve into a trans
oriented memeposting group.
It started with /r/195, which closed or something, so sequels were created e.g. /r/196, /r/197... kind of like Oceans Twelve ig
- Mostly. r/197 wasn't really a sequel to r/195. It was mostly made up of people banned from r/196.
  Source: I'm a former r/196 mod.
Long story short, some college roommates in room 195 started /r/195 on Reddit. The only rule was that you had to post a meme before leaving. Then the general public found it, and it grew as it started to hit /All.
But with that growth came the bigots, the racists, the nazis, etc… So eventually the /r/195 sub was quarantined. But people still liked the idea, so someone started 196 as a sort of sequel to the original. A little more moderation, and they let the bigots and racists stay on 195 so 196 could become the opposite of that. It was more heavily moderated with the hateful shit getting removed, so it quickly grew to be known as a trans-friendly sub.
And now this 196 is essentially a clone of that same idea. This announcement isn’t anything surprising once you know how 195 devolved, because the lack of moderation on 195 basically meant that the bigots were able to brigade anything that wasn’t also bigoted.

Basically, if you're not in their bubble of bullies they'll bully you out of the instance and you don't even need to be offensive for that.

^ does not have context, doesn't care, only wants to be mad
Congrats.
(If you do have context, that's even worse lmao a good amount of the comments were pretty clear-cut)

I’ll aggressively guzzle to that

I only saw this post because its on all

Maybe you dont want to be on all if this is your stance

Edit. The tone above is not hostile or pithy. I thought there was a dont show this community on all option. I have been informed that it isnt a toggle or opt out feature.

I apologize for any confusion my comment caused.

all is literally every instance. You're basically asking them to defederate or completely shut down their instance. If you can't handle opinions like this, you can either petition your instance to defederate from this one or stop going to all.
- Im not asking them to do anything at all. But i didnt know you couldnt ask not to show up in all. TIL
  You have taken this beyond my intention. Im perfectly happy have trans content and issues introduced to me without looking for it. I dont want it to leave, it just sounded like THEY very much want people to only be there who are there on their terms and their terms only.
  Sorry for the misunderstanding
Same energy as "I don't mind gay people I just wish they'd stop cramming their sexuality down my throat by holding hands in public."
- Well thats not what im saying, but i guess i missed my mark. Oh well.
  I actually meant to convey that since the community seems to be under brigade of biggots that are very much not welcome, being on all seems to be hurting them. Im totally fine with their stance. I am openly and fully supportive. Pride Puerto Vallarta this year was awesome! Knowing why people are showing up who are unwelcome when there is such a huge influx of new people is something that might be good to know about. Which is why i started with im only saw the post because its on all, meaning i didnt go looking for it, it came to me.
  Sorry for the confusion. Peace and love!
No, this needs to be on all. Lemmy needs these aggressively supportive posts on all. Let the transphobes see overwhelming support for trans people. If they try to butt in, ban them.
- Agreed. The answer isn't for communities like this to isolate. It's to be louder and drown out the bigots.
- Thank you, i wasnt suggesting it shouldnt be, it sounded like they didnt want the attention from being on all. Happy to see it there personally, though i have come to acknowledge that is not how my comment was received.
Why are you here?

Trans rights!

Well said. Keep being awesome!

You have my utmost support even though I am not even on your instance. Just saw it in the federated feed :p Stay strong LGBTQ+ 💪💪💪

You have my support one million percent. No one has a right to threaten or intimidate anybody just for existing; we won't allow it.

TRANS RIGHTS AND SHÖNK

Thank you, based mod

What caused this post?

A kerfuffle: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561
- That was underwhelming

I am here for shitposts, but this is real isn't it?

I want aggressive support, but I don't want to cut my ding dong off

And literally no one ever has told or asked you to

ENBY Anarchist here. I'll gladly take my ban.

🤟😊🖕 🏳️‍🌈 Facist

I'm sorry what Are you trolling right now Also anarchist and fascists are not the same thing at all
- Also anarchist and fascists are not the same thing at all
  I think they're saying they're an anarchist and calling Ada a fascist for taking this stance, at least that's how I read it.
sorry, are you accusing OP of being a fascist?
????????

if you've found a few legitimately bad actors here, then ban them and move on. don't burn the place down.

when i see someone from one space advise about how to safely access procedures or drugs that are illegal in some country, and then i tab to 196 to see that same person on the receiving end of the most harshly worded accusations of transphobia, i'm sort of at a loss for how to respond to that.

No one is burning anything down.

<3

Wooooooo fuck em up!

-queer-af enby

Legitimately just curious here, but what does "aggressively supportive" mean in this instance?

It means that your instance hasn't federated my edit :P
- You have another "aggressively supportive" a few paragraphs above

No tolerance! Trans love ❤️

I have a feeling that this has a lot of room for individual interpretation. I’m aware that the world out there is insanely hostile towards trans-people, it’s just that… asking things about the LGBTQ+ -communities consensus or what the thoughts on the scientific community are… feels kinda like a minefield tbh.

There aren't many things that there is a consensus on. LGBTQ+ folk aren't a monolith anymore than any other group is. As long as you ask from a place of respect you should be fine

💜💜💜💜💜

I wouldn't say "aggressively supportive" is what I am but I do definitely support trans people any way I can!

While we’re at it, can we also ban the word “queer”? 🤮

Why? A lot of people, like myself, have reclaimed it and use it to describe themselves. As long as it's not used in a negative or derogatory way, like as an insult or name calling, I don't see the problem?
Queer is awesome.
Also a lot of the "discourse" against it a few years ago was spread by terfs sooo yeah.
I like "queer" personally because it's more inclusive
And easier to say
What a great choice of name for a troll fascist. Thank you for signposting clearly why people should ignore you - will save a lot of time and effort.
Why?
Sure, lets also ban adolf

i love trans righhts so much omg

Awesome. Thank you!

:)

I legit don't care, I'm simply here for the memes

Yell yeah!

Aggressive supporter!! Trans rights are human rights.

thank u i appreciate it

-trans hyper nerd nikki

Ohhhh you are that crazy person that loves to censor the shit out of anyone who dares speak out against your insanity

Brother, that's not how we talk to people. Everyone here is treated like people and respected for their personhood. This isn't a theatre for bigoted nonsense - there's other platforms available if you want to attack people and get that out of your system.
Show people respect or leave people alone - but don't be like that.
She doesn't like to, she does it because queer people are constantly being attacked and berated and then when we get tired of the shit, people get surprised and go, "oh why are you being so defensive, you're overly reactive". And she isn't insane, she's proud, protective, and proactive with a very low tolerance for any indication of more bullshit.
Personally, I would discuss certain events more fully, try to educate and understand, but, for better or for worse, the person with responsibility for the instance and everybody in it decided less chances rather than more and doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks, and the more you press her, the more she's gonna tyrant all over you, and, honestly, most of the users here have her back because she's got ours.
Just... Be better to people, let others walk away from you if they want without YOU being a crazy person and being sensitive, reactive, and lashing out unnecessarily. You ever think about that perspective? You don't have to say anything, just move along and leave us in peace. Maybe once everything cools down in the future, she'll renegotiate and reanalyze and possibly consider reconnecting. Y'all can defed from us crazy folk if you want at that time. You're free to walk away too.

Keep up the great work!!

Aggressive support 🫡

Which problems would this solve?

Agreed no transphobia

o shit. what did i miss?

I said a thing: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561

Critical Support

Lol okay

Sorry, but I do need to ask a verry sticky question, thats because I need info about those who attacks our community. If I am in the wrong place, please show me where I can post.

Edit: its good to see a community like traaaans on lemmy, a place thats accessable to me, reddit needing the that much personal info put me off.

Did something specific happen ?

Human rights are human rights, no matter who you are