4mo ago

Trump says US will 'go as far as we have to' to get control of Greenland

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Summary

Trump stated the U.S. will "go as far as we have to go" to gain control of Greenland, citing national and international security needs.

JD Vance will visit Greenland’s Pituffik military base, scaling back a broader visit amid backlash from Greenland and Denmark.

Greenlandic Prime Minister Mute Egede condemned the move as "aggressive pressure" and insisted that "Greenland belongs to the Greenlanders."

Trump has repeatedly expressed interest in acquiring Greenland, asserting that U.S. control is essential for security.

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4mo ago

Trump says US will 'go as far as we have to' to get control of Greenland

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The United States is threatening invasion of a free and allied nation.
The media is complicit.
The population is complicit.
Edit: The military is complicit.
- I mean, in a way, it's fair. We're not rising up to stop it in massive droves.
  While there are valid reasons for why the US struggles with that (size, atomization of population, lack of job protections and jobs tied to healthcare, surveillance state), it's still valid for other nations to see that as capitulation.
  
  Then do something about your mad king, else your inaction speaks volumes.
  How does that saying go... "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
  
  What do you think the average German citizen should've done in 1939 to avoid condemnation?
- Anyone who didn't vote is especially responsible.
  Fucking dumbasses that they are.
  
  I literally can't tell the difference between the parties still. /s
  
  Or felons or disenfranchised for some reason it another.
  Chill, some people have reasons and maybe they aren't all worse then actual fascists. I'd say likely most aren't but dehumanization is also fun though I guess.
  
  Anyone who sits on their ass at this news is complicit. We are reaching the points where not standing up is in fact approval for the regime and their actions
- The military is complicit.
  
  That’s so true that I’m gonna edit and add it.
- I'm not complicit. You're complicit
- Military is complicit
  Like hell any of us is gonna bear arms against our allies.
- Trump got rid of the military leaders who wouldn’t be complicit and no one cared
- You sure are giving this idiots words a lot of power. I'm guessing you've never lived in the US. You will learn soon enough that he lies a lot.
Welp. It was nice being in NATO while it lasted I guess.
You guys should definitely invoke article 5 if we pull anything, and if orangeboi vetoes it, straight up ignore him and A5 anyways. I am completely serious.
- Most of NATO’s coordination is done by the U.S. it would be difficult for the other countries to organize themselves with a U.S. veto.
  Besides, I doubt any country is crazy enough to attack the U.S.
That's basically a declaration of war against a NATO country.
The US should thus also bomb itself through article 5 when it decides to invade Greenland.
Fucking believe him. Take it as the threat that it is. Prepare immediately.
- How? Arm Greenland?
  
  Yes! Call on allies, station troops and ships, protect critical infrastructure. Everything Ukraine should have done, do it now.
War with rest of Nato, really ?
- What better way to destroy NATO for the Russians?
Every fucking time he announces tariffs they hit the buy Greenland or make Canada a state bullshit button.
I wish this man would finally do something beneficial for the world and just die already... preferably of a cheeseburger related causation (heart attack, stroke, or choke).
- I hope we find out that he drowned in his own pony jar.
  
  Wasn't that the jar that shattered up some guy's ass?
Why? Why does he want greenland?
- Strategic control of the melting Arctic, half of which is bordered by Russia and the other half by Greenland and Canada, both of which Trump wants to invade. Also a foothold in Greenland would be useful in an assault on Canada, whose resources both Putin and Trump want. Canada would be fully surrounded by the USA and Russia.
  
  Okay, that makes sense, not good sense, but it's not just the inane ramblings of a mad man.
  
  I think Greenland would be in the same category as Ukraine where Trump/Putin/MAGA just want to strip the territory of all natural resources and then sell the land to the highest bidder.
  
  That makes sense. I always thought it was to build their POs AI datacenter due to their infrastructure.
- Seems to be a combination of Putin sowing chaos, trump desperately wanting to be just like his comrade boyfriend by illegally annexing sovereign territory and just general dick-swinging. We already have a base there. I guess they just want to waste more money by occupying a tundra. He must have some contractors that he owes.
  Time to toss him on his ass. I’m sick of this horseshit.
  
  I mean, it's easy to just see it as dick-swinging... but they have a lot of natural resources and Trump is already speed-running strip-mining the USA of every last available resource. The wealthy are just done with America and its high standards of living, they don't want to bring up the rest of the world to our standards of living, they want to drag us down to match the rest of the world.
  
  If Europe is allowing Israel to illegally annex sovereign territories, why not allow the US to do the same?
- Honest answer?
  Trump himself couldn't care less about Greenland. I will bet the left body part of your choice that Trump couldn't point out Greenland on a map or knows a single thing about the long-term importance of Greenland. He is going after Greenland because someone is telling him to go after Greenland. And no, it's not Putin. It's his corporate donors. Granted, this also benefits Putin as it would lead to the dissolution of NATO in the process, but that's just a side effect.
  Corporate donors, privately, aren't stupid people. They damn well know that climate change is real and their companies are fucking up the planet. They'll never, ever say that publicly for obvious reasons, but they know it. But they'll be damned if they're not going to make a shitload of money along the way. And they also know that what is currently largely uninhabitable tundra right now is going to become prime real estate as climate change worsens everywhere else. Much of that uninhabitable tundra will become land that will allow people to live relatively as comfortably as they're living now.
  Grab a large, largely uninhabited island now, and you'll have prime real estate for a whole bunch of rich people to escape to while the rest of the world is forced to deal with the escalating effects of climate change. As a bonus, since it's an island in the Arctic, mass immigration is nigh-on impossible which means they get all the bonuses of living comfortably without even having to worry about an invasion of undesirables. You know.....poor people. Or brown people. And they'll have the backing of the US military to sink any ships that even try.
  Yeah, even Greenland will eventually succumb to the effects of climate change. But for a short while, that's going to become some absolutely pristine land compared to much of the rest of the world, and as far as the rich are concerned, that 30-40 years is 30-40 years that they can continue to live comfortably while the rest of the world gets to choke to death on the environment that they created. And by the time Greenland starts feeling the effects, they'll be long since dead so they have no reason to care.
  
  Disagree on the Putin part. Putin is one of the richest and is the most powerful man in Russia, so he’s included in your rich cabal, but he’s also signaled for years that he’s a geopolitical colonizer and wants to reunite Soviet Union states. His main opposition is NATO which he’s able to dismantle with the help of Trump, thus opening up the door to further fracture resistance to his actions.
  There’s a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence pointing to Trump being a Russian asset, his latest policies only further confirm that.
  The rich cabal you’re talking about absolutely hitched their wagon to Trump to make money in the instability to come, but they don’t give a shit about Greenland. It’s a pawn that they don’t care about, but their friend Putin does.
  
  It's still really far north and you'll never be able to grow as much since the season is so short. Also have the never ending darkness and sunlight. Not to mention lots of it is muskeg that has been frozen for centuries. And it's not as good as you make it sound.
  
  this also benefits Putin as it would lead to the dissolution of NATO in the process, but that’s just a side effect.
  Definitely not a side-effect. This is the main effect. The dissolution of NATO is his main goal. Besides personal grifting, Trump's strict allegiance to Putin has been his one consistency since 2016.
- Trying to rationalize anything on his agenda is just going to drive you nuts.
  
  Yes and no. It drives me nuts that it is happening, but all the reasons are there in plain sight. Putin is orchestrating the downfall of the US with Trump/MAGA and the oligarchs, like rabid dogs, will gobble up the pieces.
- Putin told him to
  
  Why would Putin want radar installations and more American military facilities on Greenland?
- Resources (gold, zinc, iron, uranium, and oil) and large amounts of unused land for pet projects (think another super prison bigger than gitmo).
- Natural resources, commodities.
- He’s a fucking idiot, there is no true reason beyond that. Dude’s so stupid he doesn’t realize he’s a foreign agent.
- For concentration camps
- Mercator Projection
  Or
  He's surrounded by a bunch of people who play HoI for the wrong reasons.
Is he actually threatening another NATO member with military action?
- He doesn’t have to. He’ll first let the US leave NATO.. and then attack Greenland.
  
  Hopefully. If the US leaves NATO and then attacks, article 5 can be triggered.
  If they attack before leaving NATO I don't believe article 5 can be used.
- He's going to buy them out.
NATO countries should put out a statement that they are ready to defend Greenland from any incursion.
- the rest of the g20 countries should immediately financially sanction the us and every us politician along with the us dollar
  
  It would be more effective to threaten sanctions if the US proceeds if the goal is it to deter them, then if it doesn't work, you impose them as punishment and a bargaining chip to get them to pull back.
- No need. That's what articles 4 and 5 are for.
  
  Everyone knows that. The point is to create a deterrent by making it clear that they are 1) taking the threat seriously and 2) already preparing and planning to defend, IOW not fucking around. Sending some extra troops to the island and/or flying some jets around the area on a regular isn't a bad idea either.
So when will the 3 day special operation begin?
Just a little imperialism we promise 🥸
god i was so happy when i heard he got shot and then he had to ruin it by surviving.
- Luigi 2 when
Just do it, okay? I'm so fucking tired of hearing this bullshit everyday. Just do it and get it fucking done with , you fucking imbecile.
- Careful...careful what you wish for.. we don't want to do that.
- Accelerationism hasn’t proven to be an effective method of dealing with him so far. There’s no reason to believe that pattern would change because of this.
Maybe he'll take a trade, offer him Greenland for Hawaii, see if he takes it
- He would because that gives the US/Russia alliance a much better play at Europe
Sure, kick off WW3…
Well the US doesn’t have to do anything, so hopefully he follows up on that promise (doubt).
Got a mouse in your pocket, bitch?

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