Trump to order a plan to shut down the US Education Department
Trump to order a plan to shut down the US Education Department
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Trump will order a plan to dismantle the Education Department, advancing a campaign promise
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Interesting. Really leaning into that "uneducated people are easier to control"
"The proles are our only hope"
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Too many armchair educators here. I literally teach a lecture on this as part of a class on students with disabilities. Key things about DoE:
- It's 4% of the budget and 2/3 of that is to subsidize higher education for middle and lower income families. For K-12, it's about 5% of the budget, as most funding is state (unfortunately usually by property tax, which generally fucks poor folk).
- To get that 5%, you need to play by DoE rules. That includes no discrimination, school must be free and accessible, and you need to follow IDEA, the law that gives students with disability access to an education. Without federal DoE, there is no standard requirement to accommodate kids with Autism, learning disabilities, and more. (Technically section 504 can still apply, but it's complicated. Private schools usually have that but not IDEA). Btw, about 100B + 20B for K-12 funds and disability, respectfully.
- DoE funds and conducts a ton of research that improves pedagogy, not just the standard NCLB achievement tracking but things like the ELS database that is one of the few sets with data from 10th grade all the way to age 30, to directly analyze effects of high school programs on long term success. My dissertation used that, and yes, those folks are probably super-illegal fired, USAID style. If you're wondering, it's 800M in grants and research, which is chump change.
Understand, this is as idiotic as gutting the IRS. Economics have found that return on investment is tremendous (8x to 60x depending on who you ask) because you reduce crime and expensive prison costs. Simply preventing a murder saves millions of dollars, and education is shown to do this (including the very same ELS data I mentioned!)
There's more that I can say, but if you have questions, I literally have a degree in education policy. Please ask!
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So increase DoE funding and decouple schools from property tax funding?
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But then how would
- the private sector profit from education,
- and the churches
indoctrinate the young and massively inflate their numbersdo their very important charity of education?
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Two useful things, but there's no political incentive unfortunately. Education is usually the first thing to defund since you won't deal with ramifications until long after your term ends. Only senetors and judicial last long enough and neither are responsible for budget... you just rarely get anyone trying.
States do even things out on their end, but same issue with terms. California for instance has a budget deficit and are cutting education budgets (albeit mostly with higher ed, iirc). That means more reliance on local funds, which ironically fuck rural voters most, aka Republican districts (funny enough, this distribution of funds to rural schools is a big reason DoE survived Reagan with GOP support).
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The problem is that smart people don't vote republican, and the republicans need more brown noses.
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Krasnov still hard at it
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And Americans will hand it over without firing a shot.
Very disappointed in Americans, Luigi is only respectable one.
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I support what Luigi allegedly did 100%, but what change did that bring about and where did he end up? The POTUS is arguably the safest man in the world. Walking up to the Whitehouse to just end it isn't how that works.
It's going to require an organized effort and sacrifice for any chance of success. To add, 30+% of the population supports the current situation, so it's not just one bad apple. Lastly, the majority of Americans have not really been affected yet, so the urgency to sacrifice oneself for an almost 0% chance of success isn't really there.
I'd like to see judges start arresting people carrying out Trump's illegal orders. Might not be able to go after Trump, but not a single one of those other players have the legal protections he has. Make people scared to carry out his orders and maybe less people will be lining up to do so.
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It feels like the whole reason for this is so that Christians can have their own schools not controlled by fed rules/laws. Self-segregation.
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No. They absolutely want to push the bullshit onto the rest of us.
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It does seem that way with the tax credit and school choice push. Is the DoE the answer or could it be handled better at the state or regional level?
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Is the DoE the answer or could it be handled better at the state or regional level?
My belief is that if we are to be a single nation, then it had to be handled at the federal level by the DoE, and not at the various states level.
At the states level its just an easy prelim/prep for a future civil war.
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It’s not that. They already can have their own schools. It’s just they want to take our money to pay for them
But there's certain things they couldn't do in the past, if they wanted the fed money. Now that those policies and mandates are going away, they can do whatever they want, they can go hardcore, for lack of a better description.
If you’ve been reading the newspapers over the last year or two, you’ve seen various States try to pass various rules about the Bible or the Ten Commandments. They weren’t doing that in private schools; private schools already could do that, right?
IANAL, but no, for constitutional reasons, as well as getting money from the feds if they don't do it, versus sacrificing that money if they do do it.
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The US Department of Education doesn't mandate any curriculum from the federal level. States set their own curriculum guidelines.
If you hear someone making this complaint about the federal government dictating what can and can't be taught in schools, they are either being intentionally disingenuous (in which case they should be called out for it immediately) or they are an idiot who bought this idea being peddled by someone else (in which case they should be enlightened).
Christians (and any other group that wants) can (and do) already have their own private schools.
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The US Department of Education doesn’t mandate any curriculum from the federal level. States set their own curriculum guidelines.
Nobody said that is what is currently being done. They do affect a general direction though, keep everyone "on the same page", via policies/mandates.
From HERE ...
Today, ED operates programs that touch on every area and level of education. The Department's elementary and secondary programs annually serve nearly 18,200 school districts and over 50 million students attending roughly 98,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools. Department programs also provide grant, loan, and work-study assistance to more than 12 million postsecondary students.
The Department carries out its mission in two major ways. First, the Secretary and the Department play a leadership role in the ongoing national dialogue over how to improve the results of our education system for all students. This involves such activities as raising national and community awareness of the education challenges confronting the Nation, disseminating the latest discoveries on what works in teaching and learning, and helping communities work out solutions to difficult educational issues.
Second, the Department pursues its twin goals of access and excellence through the administration of programs that cover every area of education and range from preschool education through postdoctoral research.
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Can he just do this with an EO? Can the country ignore the EO until Congress ratifies it?
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I assume it'll be contested
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No and yes. The country should be ignoring the President and congress should be defunding him. Starve the beast amiriiight!?
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Interestingly, I was just trying to have a conversation about this at https://lemmy.world/post/27067695
Curious what people think is the right way to address education in the U.S.
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I just want to make two points about the decline in education. One is Reagan, and the attachment of funding dollars for education to property taxes (Prop 13? California?), and the other the emphasis on standardized testing that came under Bush in Florida, and was nationalized under Bush the president.
I think these two Republican (led, Democrats later adopted them) policies were some of the most destructive to our education system.
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Agreed on both. How would funding work then? Should it be handled at the state level, by U.S. regions like New England or the Mid-Atlantic, or should it stay at the federal level?
I wasn’t previously aware, but apparently, Canada leaves it up to their provinces to decide. Interesting that they perform so well when their system sounds similar to what those pushing for state control in the U.S. want.
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Absolutely. No Child Left Behind was an unmitigated disaster, and they just refused to let it go for way too long.
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Just replace all education with pragerU workbooks and videos obv.
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Absolutely no sarcasm here, I suggest everyone look into PragerU to know exactly what’s to come for publicly funded schooling. It is terrifying, deeply disturbing, and harmful.
Just hear it straight from the horses mouth and peruse their YouTube channel. (Don’t forget to check out PragerU Kids)
https://youtube.com/@prageru
The most annoying part is being called an alarmist for years, just for it all to become true.
Tell me about it... I still feel like I'm being gaslit when talking about this shit in any offline space. It's wreaking havoc on my mental health.
Those guys are what got me to finally start using adblocker, when they were running their videos as every other youtube ad (unless they still do that)
I mean, in honesty it might not be the best to use an adblocker for it. Honestly we need like the opposite... an ad mass player or something. does something like that exist (IE something to try and hit the ad budgets of the guys).
While I'm not against homeschooling, it seems more like a privilege that I would say most families in the U.S. cannot have one parent drop out of the workforce to pursue.
I'm absolutely against homeschooling. The overwhelming majority of it is evangelical Christian garbage.
Soon we'll be subsidizing it with our taxes (with zero oversight of curriculum of course).
There has to be a too long dont watch version..
Big Joel has done a number of videos critiquing PragerU: PragerU PragerU Kids
He's got more videos critiquing specific PragerU content as well, all from a couple of years ago.