Nancy Pelosi Gets a Surprising New Primary Challenger
Nancy Pelosi Gets a Surprising New Primary Challenger
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26024422
Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC's former chief of staff, thinks the Democrats need a bolder vision.
No matter, your view on her, it really is time to retire, she is 84.
It was time to retire 20 years past. It’s time to give back all the money she stole from her communities with all the insider trading bullshit.
She always gets shit for insider trading, as she should, but she's not even in the top 10 worst. And it's not a party thing, it's freaking systemic
Member Trades Volume (millions) Estimated Return
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) 4,013 66.76 19.1%
Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) 1,925 167.63 22.7%
Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ) 575 91.44 21.8%
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) 270 7.16 5.7%
Rep. Kathy Manning (D-NC) 186 13.58 56.3%
Rep. John James (R-MI) 164 1.33 N/A
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)160 4.13 30.2%
Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) 143 1.26 16.3%
Sen. Tom Carper (D-DL) 100 3.32 32.6%
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) 97 6.54 28.0%
-Source - https://www.fool.com/research/congressional-stock-trading-who-trades-and-makes-the-most/
Meh, I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather it was based on merit and policy positions.
I DGAF about someone's age as long as they are still fit and they have the right policies. Assuming someone like AOC stays in until she's 84 and shows no sign of moving to the right and no sign of slowing down?
Going forward, I think we will very likely have even OLDER politicos than we do now, assuming breakthroughs on slowing down aging, even age reversal. Of course, that assumes that Bronzo the Clown and fElon and Brainwormz don't completely break our system of innovation and healthcare. But if it doesn't happen here, it will happen in other countries...so I don't think the ageism we see right now will itself age all that well...
Assuming someone like AOC stays in until she’s 84 and shows no sign of moving to the right and no sign of slowing down?
Just imagine how many rail union strikes she could vote to prevent in all that time!
I'd rather we judge on mental capacity and not on physical age (so that in theory wisdom is not lost), but there is something to be said for giving someone else a chance to drive the car.
The issue with lifelong politicians isn’t just their mental capacity but their lifelong detachment from reality as they live in a privileged bubble.
Wisdom can be written down, that would be more wise to do anyway.
No, we need a physical age limit. Aside from needing to get new people in so that we can pass on institutional knowledge before their staffers are voting for them while they hang out in a nursing home.
The fact that we live in a gerontocracy is part of the reason we're in so much shit in general. Why should the 83 yo senator from Bumblefuckia give a fuck about climate change, they'll be dead way before it's a problem. Why do they care about proper financial regulations when it might impact their ability to insider trade and pass off their unearned wealth to their kids.
Yeah, it's not just mental capacity, her decisions right now no longer will affect her. We should have a younger people whose these policies will also impact.
Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC’s former chief of staff, thinks the Democrats need a bolder vision.
Fuck yes they do!
The message that could be sent by a champagne to kick NP out could start a left wing movement.
This is going to be a California Bubbly at best though. But they can be tasty too.
“I’ve got some news: I’ve decided to run against Nancy Pelosi to represent San Francisco in Congress. I know some of you might be surprised that Speaker Emeritus Pelosi is running again, but she is—for her 21st term!” Chakrabarti’s post read.
I fucking hate boomers in political office. They refuse to let go of the reins. They want to hold on until death. Selfish.
I saw a video last year asking people in the UK about USA politics and someone commented how old our leaders are.
I think she is too old to be a boomer, that generation was 1946 to 1964. She was born 1940
This strengthens the point being made though
Yeah, she's Silent Generation, same as Biden.
Meh, it's not the age thing for me. And I don't care if someone works until they choose to retire, as long as the people want them. I think ageism and the appeal to some magical term limits thing is rather useless.
I hate just how disconnected her comment was about the insider trading. It's infuriating. Republicans do it, too, but she somehow became the face of this.
I don't know that her or others like her are doing anything to bring up the next set of leaders, though. I also don't really see her fighting for progress. The age thing, the number of terms - entirely secondary and honestly, it's just red herring in my view. All one has to do is look at Bernie.
I think the age thing is a problem, if for no other reason than that very old politicians won't have to live as long in the world that they create. Sure, for politicians of good faith, that wouldn't matter much; but many of the ones currently in office would absolutely trade our future for their own temporary enrichment, knowing that they won't be here when the chickens come home to roost.
It's absolutely an age issue. When was the last time you met someone over the age of 60 who was both good with computers and technology in general and also has never worked in the tech industry? Id also love to see the number of government elected officials who have ever suffered any sort of real poverty and compare their ages to their peers. I guarantee that spreadsheet alone tells a novel.
I want to see an enforced retirement age, a maximum age for first time election, and a strict term limit for all positions of government. I would also love to see all elected and appointed officials stripped of the right to financial privacy and a sort of jury system of a quarterly ethics board made up of citizens chosen at random to make review decisions on official government actions.
It's time citizens had more control over our government. They are employed by our tax dollars after all.
Ageism is fun. And also hate, but also fun.
Why the fuck is this ghoul still running in the first place? Please primary her ass CA.
You think too much of CA. CA is INCREDIBLY liberal, so much of CA loves her and worships the memory of Dianne Feinstein.
I don't have much hope in the voters. Last time a great challenger came along, Shahid Buttar in 2020, they still elected the geriatric choice. The DNC and Dem voters are the fucking worst. I mean, as long as you pretend the racist, fascist, ignorant, magats on the other side of the aisle don't exist.
You would think that the Democrat's consistent record of utter failure would count for something, but I think it has the opposite effect. The worse things get, the more insecure people feel. Insecurity makes voters risk-averse. Republicans capitalize on that with calls for a return to an American that never really existed. Democrats capitalize on it by making Democratic voters scared of new leadership.
I try to explain it with AIDS as an example. AIDS is a horrible disease, but it doesn't kill you. It just sets you up to die from another opportunistic infection like pneumonia. The fascists are pneumonia, and the neoliberals are AIDS. It's the fascism that kills you, but it's the neoliberalism that was the underlying cause that should have been dealt with.
Shahid Buttar
This dude fucking sucked. Like I'm glad pelosi got challenged, but he wasn't the guy. I'm much more excited about Chakrabarti. Though that is mostly association with AoC and tabula rasa projection.
I was happy to see anyone challenging Pelosi. I agree Chakrabarti is a much better choice. Not my district, but I'll cross my fingers that the voters do the right thing.
Incumbents are hard to unseat.
Especially someone like pelosi who has been around so long.
I know that is true about incumbents, but I just don't understand why. All a voter has to do is look at their voting record. We don't need to listen to a fucking thing an incumbent says. Just look at the voting record. But voters can't even be fucked to do that.
Especially if you're a progressive running against a centrist incumbent.
Term and age limits will be needed if the Constitution is improved, alongside ditching first-past-the-post voting. A great deal of America's rot comes from the stagnation caused by career politicians who simply exist to occupy a seat.
Sure, we might lose 'wise' leaders, but it has become pretty damn clear that archaic politicians are the plugged toilets of Democracy. All they do is cause a mess if not promptly handled. The Geronocrats must go.
It comes from citizens united as well. We are a country whose government runs on bribe money and little else.
Fuck yes, let's go with it!
What else we need in here or what have I gone wrong on?
I have no issue with politicians up to age 65, if we want to capture the breadth of their experience. After 65 though, they're out. Cognitive decline is a sharp dropoff, and we want politicians who are a going concern for the decisions they make.
A way to get politicians to vote against their own self interest.
Will all these hours of community service be paid or are we restricting public office to those who can afford to work for free?
Limit every office to 1 term
Let's throw in a lifelike animatronic AOC fuck doll, while we're mixing ridiculous fantasy with our politics
The fact that this would've put Bernie out of a job years ago is a hard no for me. Campaign finance reform so we don't have a bunch of corporate stooges in power, and getting rid of FPTP make more sense to me. Better alternative candidates will have a chance, as well as life-ling civil servants who are proven and lovee by their communities
A neat person like Bernie doesn't have to be a politician to do good works. He can help mentor grass root organizations. While it would be a shame to lose a good guy from direct politics, it is far easier for evil politicians to stick around if we don't force them out. A good guy is apt to step down from power when they think it is right, but an evil one? They won't leave until carried out in a coffin.
The Democrats need a vision, period.
Vision? How about we start with a pulse?
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Kick her the fuck out. Kick all the useless democrats out. Fuck all of them. They lost. They're done. Go the fuck away.
SF is incredibly liberal, I could absolutely see Nancy losing and finally being forced to retire. Just gotta get people out to vote during the Primary.
Pelosi was elected when she was 41-42. Saikat Chakrabarti is 39, so only a couple years younger than when Pelosi was put into Congress. This is the perfect time for her to be forced to retire.
SF is incredibly liberal
That's the problem: Liberal = Neoliberal ≠ Left
The rich people who control just about everything LOVE her because her corruption enriches them as it enriches her and her stock broker husband.
The population in general, though? Probably much more progressive than Pelosi and will hopefully be heard this time.
All these fucking useless Democratic leaders are so selfish. You've failed and failed over and over again, miserably, yet you still insist on trying to lead? Do the right thing. Step down. Quit. It's truly disgusting how they've strangled their party and country with their incompetence.
And let progressives who actually have plans to stop Trump win for once? Never!
Good! Fuck that old hag
Good.
Much like the appeasers that enabled Hitler, history is going to look back on Pelosi, Schumer, Kamala, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Jefferies, and other democrats who stood by and let all this happen on their watch without so much as a wimper.
It's a big tent party of Chamberlains.
Pelosi, Schumer, Kamala, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Jefferies, and other democrats who stood by and let all this happen on their watch without so much as a wimper.
They do need a bolder vision.
The older vision is just MAGA-esque billionaire worshipping without the racism.
Without the racism yet.
That's not surprising. The left has been looking for someone capable of primarying her for years.
And for years she's always held onto her position because of name recognition and money from Super PACs. Ratfucking is a bipartisan tool.
Back when Pelosi was pushing the Affordable Care Act she came on KQED and railroaded the host, basically just ignored all the questions to deliver the party line. I was bruh this is your home base and acted like it was hostile territory.
Pelosi has been a huge fundraiser and leader for the Democrats, but might as well live on planet Mars when it comes to understanding working class people, even in the Bay Area.
We need a leadership vacuum in the Democratic Party to even hope of changing anything significantly.
Pelosi has been a huge fundraiser and leader for the Democrats
One reason why Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman got the old heave-ho. Pelosi has been instrumental in bankrolling Congressfolk like Henry Cuellar and Richie Torries while undermining candidates like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Her leadership has largely lead to the current moment in Democratic Party Politics, with a handful of insiders growing obscenely rich while the rank-and-file voters are told to suck eggs every time their favorite legislation fails.
We need a leadership vacuum in the Democratic Party to even hope of changing anything significantly.
The real leadership of the democratic party is within the donor class. Women like Nancy get to hold the gavel, but its the Gettys and the Buffets and the Thiels who ultimately hold the power.
Fucking ghoul looks cel shaded.
Borderlands 4 villian confirmed.
Hopefully a win can gain the democrats some momentum. Pelosi has been around way too long.
She going to be another Feinstein?
It's not to late to delete this
She’s gonna be like an athlete that plays until it’s sad for multiple years.
The exception that rule is someone like Ricky Henderson who just really openly and unselfishly liked playing baseball and played in the minor leagues for fun. He just kept playing baseball until he was 46: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=hender003ric
I respect that. It was like weekend slow pitch for him.
She’s gonna be like an athlete that plays until it’s sad for multiple years.
She's already that.
The challengers we need are to the entire DNC. They are a failure at representative government
... is it Father Time?
Clickbait is not including the name in the post title.
this ghoul still alive?
Anybody
As long as one of them wins idc. If one of them loses the seat in the house then this is gonna be the fuck around found out portion.
cared before, a great deal for nancy, after two losses to the orange fascist, this last one i'm pretty sure does our democracy in for good, lady did her service, and in the end failed to keep the republic safe. she holds a seat in california, so i'd trust to have another fair election for state and federal reps there at least, pretty sure everywhere else won't though.
GOOD.
Pelosi has been in congress for 36 years. To put this in perspective, that's longer than I've been voting. Time to retire.
To put it further in perspective, Nancy Pelosi isn't a boomer. She's silent generation.
Not so silent
Needs to be updated. Gen Alpha is 2013-2024 and Gen Beta is 2025-current.
Why are generation labels getting closer together in time?
Greatest generation- 26 years
Generation Alpha - 13ish?
It's longer than I have been alive. Some of my peers are raising children. She's been in office for an entire generation.
Yup. Early forties here. Not quite there for me, lol