Duolingo sees 216% spike in US users learning Chinese amid TikTok ban and move to RedNote
Duolingo sees 216% spike in US users learning Chinese amid TikTok ban and move to RedNote | TechCrunch
I don't get the connection between losing access to tik tok and starting a +20 years journey to learn chinese
Real anti capitalists learn Esperanto
Есперанто товарищ!
I did not know that was a thing. Now I need to learn to read cyrillic esperanto as well. Thanks!
Esperanton estas bona lingvo. Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton?
Jes. Mi lernis paroli Esperanton antaŭ kelkaj jaroj. Estas amuze, sed neniu parolas ĝin.
Nah, they'd learn Toki Pona, because it's an amazing interlanguage.
I'm no anti capitalist, but I also learned Esperanto a few years ago. But nobody really speaks it, so I switched to learning something a bit more practical (SO's native language so I'm less helpless when we visit their country).
That's not exactly true, that nobody speaks it. There are a couple of hindrances to speaking it, basically finding the people willing to be occupying that niche and then those who actually want to learn and speak it to a high degree.
Can anyone explain to me what makes TikTok and now this RedNote so much better than the other short form options (YT, Insta... others) that people think learning a completely different and unfamiliar language is not only viable, but the best option?
I want to learn another language for travel purposes, which to me makes sense. I've never had the itch to learn one so I could use a social media platform.
I wouldn’t overthink it. It’s just a youthful rebellion/protest thing. Old people banned an app young people like and young people were like, “Ok, fine. We’ll use a different app, assholes.” And they found one even more Chinese just to be obnoxious.
But to answer your primary question, Instagram is a bloated app with a terrible algorithm made by a garbage company owned by a garbage person. But just as important, Instagram is also where TikTok users’ parents are. Youths don’t want to hang out with friends where their parents are watching. Hell, I’m middle-aged and I was annoyed when my mom followed me on Instagram. Like, “Stay on Facebook, mom. That’s the boomer app.”
I’m sure almost every TikTok user is a YouTube user too. But YouTube Shorts isn’t the same as TikTok. Shorts are basically a way for established creators who make longer, professional videos to make little casual ones between their main video releases. It’s not a drop-in replacement for TikTok. The vibe is different. (If Shorts had been released as a totally separate app with a separate algorithm, it’d be a drop-in replacement for TikTok but they just duct taped it onto YouTube proper.)
Plus, the data and national security excuses were always horseshit. Congress was trying to protect American dominance in social media and during the debate, members of Congress said their issue with TikTok was that it didn’t have an Israel boner. https://forward.com/culture/688840/tiktok-ban-gaza-palestine-israel-antisemitism/
Forward is a publication aimed at a Jewish audience, for the record, so that’s not some antisemitic conspiracy theory.
It's not even to go for a TikTok clone, it's more to do with the avoidance of Meta products because they're following Twitter and allowing toxicity and constantly pushing ads and influencers and MAGA. Someone decided hey it would be funny if we just installed an actual Chinese app just out of spite since we're effectively getting censored anyway so getting censored on a chinese app to blow it all up would be funny. It was supposed to be a meme.
Turns out the chinese people on there were mostly excited to get so much attention and an opportunity to talk with americans. Loads of kids there practicing their english, and people felt so welcomed they're trying to learn the language and everything's subtitled in chinese+english because they want to communicate back and make their content accessible to them out of respect. There's plenty of content there to teach chinese to the newcomers too. Bunch decided to stay because it's just pretty nice since the lack of politics and "sensitive" topics it's a very positive and welcoming platform for once.
The whole thing is a completely accidental cultural exchange on a massive scale, and a very rare case where americans and chinese people kind of can talk directly like that. Both sides gets to peek at the other's lifestyle and bond over common things instead of hating on eachother. They aren't learning chinese to use the app, they're learning it to communicate and exchange with the people. The chinese government seems unconcerned and welcoming as an extra fuck you to the US.
The algorithm is surprisingly not really biased nor pushing propaganda. It's happily suggesting me openly queer content (with a lack of hate comments and americans being called out for their hateful comments), they have gun content, they have a car scene, they have their thirst traps (with respectful comments), it's really not all that different than us and not the propaganda machine the US is so concerned about. It kind of leans more left than TikTok if anything, which makes the ban even more questionable.
I do wonder though if some of those people are just ccp agents making content. Operating anything in China you're required to be overseen by CCP so I highly doubt that they don't carefully sift through comments.
I do find it funny that people would rather pick chinese spyware cause our spyware has too much political leans and censorship.
They said a 216% spike
That could be an extra 15 people
Firefly timeline!
FIREFLY TIMELINE!!
FIREFLY TIMELINE!!!!!!
I guess it's better than some alternatives, at least because we never found out what the Space Confederates were fighting for
Yeah good luck with this on Duolingo lol. I'm years down the line and also having studied full-time over there, still far from "fluency".
Duolingo is a game for points and badges. it's not actually useful for learning anything.
I believe it is called a classical education
As with learning anything, you have to commit yourself to using multiple resources. Duolingo has been a great way for me to pick up vocabulary. Do I use it for sentence structure and grammar lessons? No. But it's a fun way to replace the monotony of flashcards.
Yes, as any resource it shouldn't be discarded completely, but there are always much better resources out there which for me makes Duolingo a time waster. Even if I would start anew with another language. It's an app made by a company who doesn't care about learning or languages, they just want to make people to stay for as long as possible on the app and pay for stuff like to restore their streak. Especially now since they've started using AI to generate content
I think it's great for basic grammar and vocabulary. Pair it with a grammar text book, dictionary, and media in the target language (written and spoken) and you should be able to understand the language fairly quickly. If you can get conversation practice with a native speaker, you'll learn so much faster.
This Tiktok ban is going to make people in the US do what they never did before and learn a second language. 万岁
More like start learning a second language and give up after a week.
This may be a stereotype, but TikTok specifically caters to people with short attention spans.
Yeah learning to speak Mandarin is one thing but learning to read it feels fucking impossible if you don't start young.
Gateway learning.
I learned Spanish to write love letters in 2nd grade.
And now 30 years later, I know like a dozen languages at a basic level, but still good enough to be sent all over the world on business trips for free.
什么万岁？
Shame it's Duolingo though. HelloChinese and DuChinese are way better for actually learning the language.
HelloChinese is a little better on content and a lot better on not being an annoying ad machine.
Not that there's anything wrong with people wanting to learn mandarin but I wonder whether this uptick in engagement with the Chinese world will just be a blip and soon people will get bored of it and look for more "Western" platforms again.
Like, when the enshittification of reddit and Twitter took root, you would also see very big numbers of users flocking to alternative platforms like Lemmy (like yours truly!) or Mastodon but in the end, after the initial novelty wore off, how many of those people actually ended up sticking around or moved on to something else after a short while?
My point is that it is still way too early to judge whether RedNote will become the next TikTok in the US, or whether this could be the start of a mass grassroots movement for American and Chinese people to get closer.
I'm pretty sure that this post is a total load of bs.
It's real...
so instead of 25 people learning Mandarin now there are 79 people learning Mandarin.
Can you just use duolingo as a translator?
No.
I’m pretty glad I don’t use Duolingo, it’s easier to learn language tips from YouTube
你们还要学中文？
老子一出生就已懂中文了。
你们已经迟到了，party 早就开始啦！
These kinds of figures are pointless without knowing the starting number of users, it could be an increase from 10 to like 30 or something... Also, this sudden rush of articles mentioning rednote seems more like an attempt to induce movement to it, but that could just be me being cynical.
the app people are going to instead of TikTok is RedNote which is only built with the Chinese language. so some people are trying to learn Chinese to navigate the app.
I do not see anything in the article about user decline for any app, which app is losing users besides TikTok?
No one is learning any language using shitty Duolingo all they are learning is how to parrot useless phrases and vocab with no explanation on how to form sentences or actually use the language properly for themselves.
All this hatred for a tool that is bridging the gap between not speaking a language and being able to understand basic sentences.
Except for the fact that it is designed to keep you coming back and hopefully paying them for the privaledge whilst making people believe they are learning something useful.
It is in fact counter productive to actually learning a language properly. I used it for a year and a half trying to learn Spanish and in that time I never really learnt anything of worth. On top of that my native Spanish speaking girlfriend told me on numerous occasions that the things it was "teaching" me were flat out incorrect.
I learnt more useful language skills in a month on Busuu than I did in a year and a half using Duolingo. So yes there is a lot of hate because it wasted a lot of my time for absolutely zero benefit and in some cases taught me the wrong things so I had to go back and "unlearn" all the bullshit it constantly pushed to me.
It isn't a tool to bridge a gap, it is a word game designed to get you addicted to "streaks" and then hopefully remove money from your wallet under the guise of teaching you something.
People that seriously want to learn a language should be dissuaded from using this trash app as it is only counter productive to the learning process, they should instead check out Busuu or listen to Language Transfer which is free and vastly superior!
I speak 4 languages, and when I need surface level basics for a trip, I've found the Duolingo helps get the wrote memory part of see a shape, hear a sound.
For actual terminology or grammar, it's OK, but it doesn't deserve the hype it gives itself. I can make up my own lessons with Google Translate better than Duolingo.
And it's so fucking slow. Like yeah I remember the word for man and woman please stop asking me to click on it especially with the image next to it..
Its called spaced repetition. Its helpful for people to remember something over repeated learning.
If you find it too easy, you can choose to jump ahead or find better alternatives.
i tried learning spanish with it, now i know how to order a hamburger with cheese but it won't teach me much else... just the same fucking sentence over and over again. every now and then it drops in a new word and then we're back to the hamburger thing.
Hamburgesa con quesa? Muy bien
I dunno, I found it helped me with German a bit.
Isn’t Mandarin grammar super easy? It is relatively easy to speak, definitely less so to read/write.
Easy or not that doesnt excuse Duolingos lack of explanation of any rules or concepts present within the language you choose to learn.
That depends on how you use it.
I use DuoLingo as daily practice, and I add a bunch of other stuff to it as well. I did really well learning Esperanto this way, and have learned a fair amount of Spanish and Korean as well. Generally:
Duolingo by itself won't get you fluent, but it'll teach you basic grammar (if you read the grammar notes), vocab, and build a habit of learning with a minimal time commitment. Use it as a sort of stretching routine before more serious study.
Geez, calm down hater
Hate is justified as it turns people away from actually learning a language