Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report

Cunts gonna cunt.

Apples gonna Apple
- They already said that
Worst thing is Apple fans will be calling it a feature.
- aKsChUaLlYyyyyy!!!!!! 2 is a cooler number anyway 😏

TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.

That's the point. Expect the iPhone 17 to be portless to the consumer.
- There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it's through their "wireless charger", which is proprietary.
- ... iPhone has USB 2.0
- And if USB SS+ (aka USB 3.1 gen 2 aka USB 3.2 gen 2×1) with 10 Gb/s is not enough for you, the newest iteration of the USB standard USB 4.0 version 2.0 has USB4 gen 4 at 80 Gb/s
  Edit: for reference: Wi-Fi 4 supports up to 600 Mb/s or .6 Gb/s, while Wi-Fi 7 supports up to 46.12 Gb/s
- That's his point.
I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you guys doing? Syncing it with itunes?
- Apple car play would be a bitch if I don't have a port since it doesn't have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023
- Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?
  To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).
- This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.

Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they're just scamming their clients

And yet their anti-consumer practices continues to be hailed by their loyal customer base.
It's mind blowing.
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
- Oh? Can I voice my opinion here that people suck off apple despite how shitty they are? Are we doing this?
When you’re the biggest shop in your town it’s because you do good work.
When you’re the biggest shop in the world it’s because you’re scamming your clients.
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Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.

I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.
If they are going to improve transfer speeds it's not going to happen in the same iteration they're being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:
They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
- Number 2 is probably a bigger deal than people realize. They want to save face.
- The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year's Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.
- Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.

ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.

A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
- Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn't innovative enough?!
- I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they're a trillion dollar company. They'll manage, this is 100% by choice
- On a thousand dollar phone
- One could argue that you don't become a trillion dollar company by leaving money on the table.
- Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
  I mean Pixel 6 still didnt have 3.0 support, so the 15 year old argument doesnt hold too much ground either.
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
- Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
- I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.
  To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.
  At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.
by reusing the same hardware
I'm sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro's TB4 hardware.
- Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.
That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they're not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?
- I'm going over... that's literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.
  RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.
- I'm with you, people use the cable for power, it's pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He'll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.
I believe it's both. Apple said that they'd be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don't remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it's both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
- I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.
  I sure hope not. I'd have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.

How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?

Most people are totally lost in a sea of capitalistic greed and wealth indicators. If you don't keep up with the Joneses, are you really alive?
Samsung doesn't support USB 3 on several of their higher priced phones, either.
- Yes. Samsung is a garbage company as well.
- And they're also a shit company just like Apple.
- Yes they don't support. It's different from supporting and limiting. I'll bet there will be a super-duper-special USB cable or dongle you'll be able to buy in order to get full speed.
They have convinced themselves it tastes better than a club sandwich.
It never had to make sense.
I wouldn’t describe myself as a fanboy, but here’s my reasons for continuing to use an iPhone and not moving to Android:
I’ve been a Mac user for over 20 years. I’ve got a lot of Mac software that I use that have iOS only counterparts, and I’ve no interest in comparable software. The inertia of daily use software is a huge incentive for me.
In the case of USB C vs Lightning or 2.0 vs. 3.v, I genuinely don’t use USB for file transfer to and from my phone. I may be a unicorn, but iCloud file sync and iCloud Photos have always worked reliably for me. Documents are on my iPhone, iPad, and Mac when I go looking for them. Photos and videos are there when I go looking for them. I don’t think I’ve plugged my iPhone into a computer (Mac or otherwise) in the last four years.
I’ve charged on a QI charger for as long as I can remember (and a 3d printed MagSafe stand now). I have several lightning cables stashed away, but I actually loaned them out more than I use them. And my battery life is not a major concern for me. Since the iPhone X I’ve mostly managed all day battery life between my bedside and desktop chargers. And most days I use my phone lightly enough that I don’t need frequent charge ups.
And the last bit: long term support. I hand down my devices about two years after getting them (in my immediate and extended family). I have family members with six year old iPhones who are still receiving software updates to the most recent OS. My iPhone X being used by my daughter won’t get iOS 17 this year, but it’s from 2017. And when I upgrade later this fall I’ll replace the battery in my 13 Pro, and hand it off to her. My son has an iPhone 12 that my wife handed down to him, last year. iPhones “wear” well.
- I agree about the iPhones wearing well. Folks in my family pass down their iPhones too, but the ones with Android phones don’t seem to last. The lose support so quickly it’s not even funny.
What % of mobile users plug their phones into a computer to move files on/off them? I'm not even an iPhone user (I have a Pixel 6 Pro) and it's probably been 5+ years since I last moved files over USB on my phone.
- But why even limit it?
- That's the same excuse used when they removed the headphone jack and forced you to use bluetooth. I owned many a cell phones and they all had headphone jacks and bluetooth and both worked just fine. But then the headphone jack was removed and now you had to dish out cash for over priced devices that have a limited lifespan (those batteries aren't going to last forever).
  I heard so many people say "well I never/rarely used the headphone jack" or "but I like bluetooth". Fine, that's nice, no reason to make it exclusive other than the company stands to make money off it. People gave up better audio quality and a plug that was more universal than the USB port... we're not likely to get it back. No doubt Apple (because of course it'll be Apple) will release a new proprietary cabled audio port that only works with their headphones.
  Apple is anti-consumer.
- It's good for app development where you're constantly testing changes
- I'm transfering stuff from my phone to PC all the time.
Ads campaigns apple spends billions in, such has having their brand name on top of every community to boost their popularity and overshadow competitors
- Samsung Dex could literally replace your work machine then if that's all you use
I haven’t transferred data over a usb cable in at least a decade. This means nothing to me.
it's an identity. you might be surprised to see how often the apple logo is used on random things in countries where copyright doesn't exist. like it's a symbol of something really important.
but I think the USB 2.0 thing is completely normal and this is a misleading headline
edit: oh look im being le downvoteddit
- How is USB 2.0 normal in a phone that costs upwards of $800?
- 2.0 isn't normal in a USB-C phone.

They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.

Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren't dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.

You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: "The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price."

This is not innovation that helps the market.
This is the reason capitalism will never maximize life for any but the few at the top.
I don't really see the point? Like who's going to be excited about faster USB transfer rates in 2026?
- The same people that get excised about the current generation of apple BS?
- Apple users get excited about things that Apple tells them to get excited about.
- I mean who really cares 2023? Who used this port for data transfer later than 2015? I guess for proRAW it makes some sense. But even less with the airDrop later over internet in background. And proRAW even is a iPhone pro feature isn’t it.
In 3-4 years, WIFI 7 will be standard, and Apple will completely remove data pins from the charging port because nobody has used them since WIFI 6.

In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!

Stupid up and take my money!1!!!! - Apple nitwit shoppers

Yes, I can't wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.

I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.
- Once the brand becomes a core part of someone's identity, the company can do no wrong and it's extremely difficult to convince them otherwise. The level of willful ignorance is astonishing. We have a similar problem in American politics.

Why anyone would buy into this crap is beyond me.

they have created the culture of superiority. a posh product for our shallow acquaintances. it's a great filter test actually.
- seriously...so sick of people being like, "ew why do your text messages show up green" and just buying everything apple cuz it's apple.
It's like people are ok with purposefully shooting themselves in the foot.
- Have you met a large chunk of US voters? People actively vote against their interests because they don't want "them" getting the same benefits.
- But my foot is fine with holes!
I've been an Android user all my life. Nexus, 2 one pluses, Samsung flip, and now on Pixel. I've also been pretty anti apple. I feel Android isn't being able to hold it's weight very well anymore. I find the experience a little meh and the below average battery doesn't help. I'm not happy with the Pixel at all. Back in the day, I felt Apple was just overpriced and didn't bring anything to the table and was almost exclusively garbage. Over the last one year I've been thinking more and more about giving it a try. I might switch into an iPhone 15 this year to see how it is. What doesn't help is trying to pick TWS earbuds. All of them have some issue or the other. The new XM5s rely too heavily on foam tips (and Sony made a design where finding third party replacement is a pain), Beoplay Ex has average ANC which is important to me. From all my research, it's looking like the Airpods might be the most well rounded in what I'm looking for, I just need to compromise on the sound quality. I might get the airpods even if I decide to stick to Android. I don't know, man. I feel like there's nothing I'm truly happy with in the market anymore (and I'm willing to spend, just give me something good) and I'm hoping Apple is the least worst of the lot so I might give it a try this year. Windows is the only thing I can never switch away from. Sorry for the rant, I've been struggling a bit to find good products but it's like all these companies just hate us.
- I am unfortunate in that I am the owner of a pixel by choice, and given an iPhone by my employer. I hate Apple's "exceptionalism" and inconsistencies, that they kept the lighting connector alive for so long, that they removed the audio jack even though I have good BY headphones, their constant bait for their ecosystem/cloud storage and whatnot, now this arbitrary cap on USB capabilities (the list is seemingly endless). iOS is also such a frustrating user experience. The perspective of typing long form on an iPhone is off-putting enough to often compel me to pick up the laptop or the pixel given how stupid the keyboard completion and text entry UX are. Don't get me wrong, I also think Android is a terrible OS, but at least it's not forcing its shortcomings down our throats. For instance, I use nova launcher and sesame shortcuts, so that I just type what I want (contacts, common actions, app-specific shortcuts, settings, directions, ...) and barely do any menu/app navigation at all. And that's what I want: to order my phone about my immediate needs and get immediate feedback/answers. Apple UX is about prettifying a workflow which I don't want in the first place, stripping out elements of UX which I might need, and leveraging a hard to reach zoo of applications which never interact/complement each other. They really managed to turn an incredibly powerful device into a dumb phone. Did I mention already how frustrating the user experience is?
I'm very much an Android user, but in an enterprise setting Apple products are so much easier to manage. When pushing certificates with profiles from Intune, we had no end of trouble with Android phones but iPhones were incredibly easy.

ITT: people who don't realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0

Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it's a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn't want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn't cool.
- Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
- They can't limit the cables, they don't even come with the phone anymore
This is irrelevant.
We're talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.
- The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
  The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.
- most new Android phones support > 3.0
  Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
  Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/
  10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.
- IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.
- Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I'm just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
There's a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.
That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.
Yeah I've ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.
I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn't meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC's case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.
- The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.

If you need fast speeds, buy the pro bro /s
- Lol they will probably have a special Apple cable that allows for faster speeds only for their specific devices

Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn't matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding...

So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.

The article states that the iPhone (the device itself) will be limited to USB 2.0 speed. Do you have information otherwise? Also limiting the speed does not mean it will not support the additional protocols that USB-C would allow for. I believe why people are making a fuzz over this is that people with iPhones want to be able to do large exports/backups/imports. Specifically those that use the devices professionally. In those cases you would want all the speed you can have, and this feels like an arbitrary limit set by Apple because they don’t want to fully comply. Perhaps there are good reasons due to heat issues in the storage controller.
- Well, the article showed their original source, the tweet, which shows cable spec, data from a tester, and teardown ONLY. 16 pins on the male connector instead of the full 24 means USB 2.0 transfer speed is the maximum it can support, which is typical of a charger cable. (And no, this cable won't be able to support things like DisplayPort since the 3.0 data pins are missing. )
  My main point is that there is no information on the device side USB port configuration at all, therefore there is no conclusion that can be drawn about the USB-C port on the new iPhone yet, and it's incredibly bad journalism for Extremetech to draw conclusion about device side spec from only the spec of the included charger cable.
- It wouldn't make sense to implement full USB 3 and then cap speeds. The alternative protocols like displayport over USB 3 needs the extra wires which were added in USB 3, so if the port only have USB 2 pins + power then it can't support the new USB 3 features
And the Apple branded super speed cable can be sold for more profit. Win!
Edit: I did some searching and found all the major providers send the phone with a USB2 cable, so taking a punt at Apple for this actually is unfair.
- Or include a cheaper cable since 95% of the users will never transfer data over usb?

To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn't uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.

On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn't mandate certain transfer speeds.
The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.
- They are introducing changes to enforce USB-PD is present for charging.
Maybe EU is playing some 3D chess? Leave open the possibility of Apple being scummy then fine the shit out of them. Not sure how though.
- Who knows.

What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non "Pro" models).

Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they've gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don't laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.

If you want a new iPhone this fall and you're looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I'd recommend looking for previous year's "Pro" model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it's essentially better in almost every way.

And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.

Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There's a line between "enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else" but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it'll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
- but like this is just disrespectful.
  The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”
- Apple didn't even need to use USB C to do this bullshit:
  The Lightning receptacle on the 12.9-inch iPad Pro (1st and 2nd generation) and 10.5-inch iPad Pro models has 16 pins, as there are additional eight pins on the other side. It supports USB 3.0 (now USB 3.2 Gen 1) at the maximum transfer speed of 5 Gbit/s.
  Wikipedia - Lightning (connector)
  For reference USB 1.x/2.x A and B connectors have 4 or 5 pins, while USB 3.0+ A and B connectors have 9 or 10, with USB C having 24. USB 4.0 version 2.0 supports transfer speeds of up to 80 Gb/s. I think the 16 pin lighting connector could support USB 4.0, but this is just my speculation.
- No, no it’s fucking not. How about you not base radical accusations on bullshit articles?
  https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/24/iphone-15-usb-c-cable-usb2-transfer-speeds/
  According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple's new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.
  In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support "at least" USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.
  And that is the crux of it. rumors
  Ah, but what am I saying?! Please, return to your circlejerk, I’ll not bother you with any more inconvenient facts
I always get last year's model of whatever tech because it's likely to be both cheaper and less buggy due to the bugs already have been fixed.

So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.

Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?

USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
- No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C?wprov=sfla1
Technically, they are. Type C is just port shape. Protocol version is a different matter, however newer versions are backwards compatible. What they are doing is not restricting functionality but to unlock fastest charging speed you have to buy approved cables. It's sort of a gray area but luckily EU already caught them planning to do this, so work to change it is already underway.
The port on the _phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.
- That's not what the article says.
- But that's just stupid.
- You're likely not aware of all the facts. See, they're required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There's zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
USB-c has absolutely nothing to do with speed. It’s solely the port shape.
Most USB-c cables today are usb2.0
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
That's not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.

Why?

Not that I use the junk this company ships to stores but a part of me would like to hear the meeting where someone proposed this and the rationale to support it.

Easy. Because then it means that the easiest way to get files off your phone to your computer (definitely a Mac, right? RIGHT?) is via an iCloud subscription. Why sell a cable for $10 when you can sell a monthly subscription for $3?
- And this is nothing new at all for Apple. I still remember how infuriating it was having to deal with iTunes for moving files to and from my iPod Touch. Jailbreaking so I didn't have to deal with iTunes was such a relief
  Android obviously having no issues with you just having direct access to the file system makes it so much easier
nothing about using a USB-C cable inherently means it has to support USB3.
framing it as "limits it to USB 3 Speeds" is misleading. iPhone has only ever supported USB 2, all they're doing here is continuing to not upgrade to USB 3. the meeting where somebody proposed it went like this:
hey, should we put a USB 3 chip in the new iPhone?
nah, let's just keep using the same one as the last generation
- Why pay for a better component when the sheep will gladly pay inflated prices for the same old crap?
Everybody is thinking about storage speeds but what I want to know is charging speed. We see Android phones using USBC with more then 100w that can charge to 100% in under 30 minutes. Knowing Apple it will probably be limited to like 5w so that you buy a shitty 15w wireless MagSafe charger instead that they get money from. It will probably still get to 100% in under 2 hours, but only because Apple batteries are ridiculously small (3200mah on most recent iPhones, 5000mah is the budget Android phone standard that you can find on $60 phones, some even going up to 6000mah like the Samsung m54).
- Minor gripe: the amp hours of the battery don't tell you anything about actual battery life. I worked for a phone manufacturer for a while and saw devices with 3000mAh batteries that couldn't last a day of idling and I saw devices with 1400mAh batteries that would go a week if you just left it sitting in on the table and didn't touch it. It's all about the efficiency of the SoC before the battery amperage comes into play
  Another interesting thing is that charging speeds will vary depending more on the protocol used than the wattage of the charger. A 15w Qualcomm Quick Charge charger will charge a nearly dead phone up to 100% in about an hour, or to 78% in 20-30 minutes, but an old 5v 3Amp charger will take a good 2 hours or more to charge the same phone
  My current job has me provisioning iPads into our MDM to send out to the field and holy crap am I sick of plugging 6 iPads into a mess of chargers and waiting hours for them to get up to 50%ish, so i do agree 100% that apple needs to get with the times
Spite. They hate the fact they are made to use USB-C so they're in a strop.
- I'm not 100% sure this is why, because their current lighting cable only transfers at USB 2.0 speeds as well (480Mbit/s max)

Merely a rumor. Apple is known to put multiple false rumors into their supplier chain to find leakers.

I’m going to wait for the upcoming formal announcement and specs.

Little bit of a strange article.

First, it's about data transfer speeds. I don't think... anyone else in my extended family, and certainly none of the iPhone users, use a cable to transfer data frequently.

But more importantly - the subtitle of the article says that only the pro models offer faster charging speeds. Despite the article being exclusively about data transfer speeds.

I use USB-C for data heavy applications all the time. I'm running a monitor on one right now.
This means that a bunch of people are just going to end up with cables that are once again locked into their iPhone ecosystem and can't be used for any other purpose. I find it hard to believe that this is anything but Apple thumbing their nose at the new EU regulations by intentionally making their "compliant" cables useless.
- I highly doubt the limitation is going to be at the cable. They are generally known for their high quality production capabilities, meaning they would have to actively make the cable worse (and likely cost more while doing so.)
  They are likely going to simply limit the controller to 2.0 speeds.

I'm confused, is this a strategy meant to persuade people to keep using the lightning cable bullshit?

No, it's a strategy to sell you an expensive cable. Apple always do this, create a problem and offer an expensive solution.

Unless it's limited by hardware this will be a main cause for jailbreaking your iPhone.

What makes you say that? 90% of the users don't even connect their iPhone to a pc anymore.
- This is true. I'm a bit biased as that is what I would do. I'd say most users will not even notice. I think most of us here on lemmy are tech heads though and we would be the ones who do connect our phones to PC.
If I understand how USB Super Speed (ie USB 3.0+) works correctly, it is trivial to limit a USB C port to USB 2.0 modes, as it uses extra connections, which, I think, means you can just not connect them and treat the port like its a USB 1.x/2.x port. Not 100% sure tho
- You're entirelly correct - if only the D+ and D-data lines (plus VCC and GND) are connected (and USB-C is meant to work no matter which way you plug it so there are one of each on each side) then it will just behave as USB 2.0

I don't think your criticism here is fair. I see what the article is conveying in this sentence: this is a decision that makes no sense (it probably costs more to artificially limit speeds in this way) but it is also not unexpected that Apple would make this kind of decision. I think it's a well written turn of phrase.
- Yeah I don't get it, that's not an uncommon phrase. I use variations of it all the time.
This is more about Apple's record on doing things to embellish their latest tech. They're going to do the whole "this is a feature exclusive to our Pro models" and a year or two later they're going to "add" it to others and call it an innovation breakthrough.
It's surprising a tech company like them would bother to do this, given that USB-C is already capable of those speeds, but it's also unsurprising cause it's Apple.
"I would be surprise if any car manufacturer delivers their cars without any brakes, but I wouldn't be surprised if a dishonest car manufacturer would do so in order to sell more cars"
Just give those instructions and a topic to an AI. Money in the bank.

Apple y u gotta be like dis

Nothing new at all. They've literally never not been cunts.
- True but most of us would do the same if we worked at apple and asked for your opinion.
Because their cultists still buy their shit. They will keep doing this until people stop buying, and that won't happen due to the cultural brainwashing that they do.
- Plenty of downvotes but no one has the balls to disagree with you explicitly. They know it’s true.
so that the losers they are selling to can feel superiour
- We're still doing this, huh? Smartphone fanboying? Pretending like one side is clearly superior? This shit is so tired.

Don't buy products from Apple or Microsoft. It's not impossible, it's not even difficult

So you use google and Samsung?
- I use android, OnePlus ATM. I stopped using google search since years ago and use DDG which I love and has been superior to google for years now. Still use google storage but I'd like to shift to a different provider, maybe self hosting with nextcloud
  I loved Samsung up to about 5 years ago or so, it's absolute shite now. Samsung was awesome but got complacent int heir success and now it's all corporate bullshit. Bought a monitor that literally fell apart, spent literally over 20 hours on the phone for them to apply warranty. Samsung TVs are now spyware adservers, wtf? Samsung phones are overpriced bloatware machines that can't be cleaned up.
  For tv I'd go with LG now, I guess and I hoe they won't fuck it up.
  Even for streaming I use jellyfin now to get rid of Disney, prime and Netflix

It really should be 3.0 speeds but its not any slower than the lightning cable so it’s pretty much the same. Just a universal charging port instead of an iPhone specific one.

“ the company will limit the transfer speeds on the base model iPhones to just 480Mb/s, the same as Lightning and USB 2.0.”

Can't wait to find out it is just a software or hardware throttle and with a simple fix get full speed. The small repair shops still going to be busy.

~~I don't really care, I'm just glad it'll be USB-C. The only thing I use a cable for on my phone these days is when I rent a car that doesn't have wireless Carplay....and I forgot my wireless adapter.~~

I mean, fuck Apple! I can't believe this shit! Outrage! Gnashing of teeth! OMFG those bastards!

While you wont often run into the need, it'll become a real issue if you ever end up needing to do a physical backup on a device with near ~1TB of storage used.

Apple's propriety Lightning cable may offer cross-device compatibility

I may need to see the math on this. I thought the only devices it worked across were ones apple decided it would; devices within its own offerings, specifically after relenting on its decision to NOT let them.

It's less "hands across America" and more "stop hitting yourself" while still not playing nice with others.

Please show me where I'm wrong.

Lightning is proprietary. Whatever they say about it offering being cross-device if not specifically talking about Apple products means big $$ to license it, whereas the USB standard is open, and much more flexible.

I haven’t used a cable to sync my iPhone for a long time. The speed does not matter to me unless they give us free tethering via cable. Ever since I got a box of wireless chargers to scatter around the house I don’t think I have used a cable.

The few good things Apple has contributed to the world (libcups) are far outweighed by how much bad they do. Change my mind.

Edit: Ok, emotional response, it looks like this is just a rumor. But I still stand by what I said. Fuck Apple and their shit software.

What bad do they do?

Why? Are they still trying to revive firewire?

I can't imagine the horror show that it must be to live every day in a brain that thinks of nothing but how to scheme and scam people all day.

Ok .thats apparently a controversial opinion but....why does that matter. Usb2.0 is still fairly fast connection ,i doubt it will impact anyone, unless someone dumps a lot of data on iphones for....some reason,honestly i am not sure in what scenraio you would move a lot of data very often from phone to pc or reversed. Its not a headphone jack scenario where they took a capability from a phone. You still can send data through cable.it will just take a minute instead of 10 s.

If you want to do local backups via iTunes or transfer multiple large video files then USB 2.0 speeds are horrendously slow. I do both of these fairly regularly.
Luckily I can transfer videos over wifi, which is much faster than USB 2.0 speed (but still slower than transferring over USB 3.1, which I can do with an android). Backing up my phone requires I leave it there nearly all day because the transfer speeds are so slow and doing wireless backups via iTunes on Windows is broken.
- What? USB 2.0 is 480mbps. Much faster than most wifi routers (you need non-cheap 2x2 (i think) antenna to get >300mbps speeds on routers in ideal conditions).
Can't remember the last time I actually used a usb port to transfer data.
External drives and sometimes adb are the only time when I'd even connect via USB
- Macbooks literally run their entire peripheral ecosystem through USBC.
- Do external displays and docks count?
  On phones and tablets, I usually go for wired connections for video because I'm almost always doing it while traveling, where wireless options either will never work or have some PITA yak shaving setup required before they do. If you can plug in an HDMI cable, you know that it will work.
- I don't do it often, but when I need to I don't want to fuck around. Spent an afternoon just a few weeks ago reinstalling star wars kotor and a few hundred mods on the android port. That would have been even more annoying trying to transfer the mods wirelessly
But why tho? They are going out of their way to make the data transfer slower just to artificially weaken the offering so the Pro looks better. It is anti-consumer and malicious.
- Its probably just cheaper. Honestly i am not sure how many pepole there are that usb 3.0 speeds are even a consideration when buying a phone. I honestly dont know how it works on iphones but i know many androids dont have usb 3.0 also. In fact ive rarely even seen usb speeds mentioned anywhere . I know my phone has usb 3.0 but i have ridicolously overspeced asus rog phone( which has 2 USB c one 3.0 and one 2.0 port and that's probably the only reason they even mentioned it )
The intent behind doing it matters. There's no legitimate reason to throttle the product other than self-serving interests on their part that negatively affect customers. It's not like USB-C or USB 3.0 are new technology. USB 3.0 came out months after the first iPhone was released, and USB-C came out when the iPhone 6 hit the market. Remember these aren't $20 portable hard drives they're $1000-$1500 "premium" devices.

Hahahha... and a week ago a report said it would be thunderbolt

Tbh I doubt users would notice. If you have a USB cable near you, check if the USB A plug has a blue core, or you can count how many connections there are inside. If its not blue and has four connection (or five in the case of mini / micro versions), its USB 1.x/2.x. USB 3.0+ should be blue and has nine connections (except for USB C, which has 24). USB 1.x/2.x cables seem to be everywhere, at least where I live. And yes I'm saying 1.x/2.x because both use the same connectors and cables, with additions in 1.1 and 2.0 revised.

can't you just buy a cheaper USB 3.0 speed cable anyway? or is this a hardware limitation that Apple have put in the port of the phone?

Hardware limitation.

This isn't all that weird. Most USB-C cables sold as "charging cables" are only wired up with 4-pin USB 2.0, because it keeps costs down for a product that wasn't designed for data.

And most people never transfer data do/from their phones with USB anyway, in a world of wireless protocols.

And it's likely at least a usb 3 controller in it just limited to 2.0 speeds. Why even bother

Cables or the ports?

Can't you always buy a better cable?:(and most likely cheaper, given its Apple shit)

Do correct me if I'm wrong

If the port only have a USB 2 controller you can't get faster speeds. Note that the lightning cable is also limited to USB 2 speeds, they would need more changes than just swapping controller (need more bandwidth to the controller) to support USB 3 speeds

What’s the current usb type on the iPad Pros?

Type C. I think you mean gen? 2018-2020 is 3.1 Gen 2. 2021 onwards is TB4.

That Majin Buu always comes through. Except that one day... Damn you Kakarot!

I expect the pro max to have thunderbolt and normal iPhone to have this slow USB.

You should do less suspecting and more reading.
- You mean this part where the article doesn't say if the pros are going to have USB 3 or thunderbolt, and therefore I suspected it was going to be thunderbolt?
  If you were going to bring the snark, at least bring the quote to help others too
  Although the new info doesn't state what kind of speeds the Pro phones will offer, it's anticipated they will be in the neighborhood of USB 3.2, which tops out at 20Gb/s. At the same time, Apple currently uses a Thunderbolt 3 port on its iPad Pro, which can hit 40Gb/s. Even if Apple went with USB 3.0 for the base model (4.8Gb/s), it could still quadruple that by offering USB 3.2 on the Pro phones. But it sounds like the company isn't interested in providing fast transfer rates on its standard models.

It's literally exactly as fast as lightning is for the current generation phones.. so you lose nothing / gain nothing.

But I guess it's apple so we gotta riot while it's perfeCtly fine for android phones to ship that way depending on which vendor you pick.

That's the difference, Android users have a choice in what phone they buy. Apple users get the new iPhone or the old iPhone, so when bad decisions are made it sucks worse.
You are on lemmy, not on Reddit. We have criteria here
Lightning is already painfully slow for transferring photos and doing backups. Assuming you get max speed the entire time, backing up a full 64GB iphone will take 16 minutes. On USB 3.1 it'd take 4 minutes.
This was Apple's chance to up the bandwidth on their phone ports, it would cost them pennies (maybe less than pennies) and would give them a talking point. 6 years ago the 2017 Pixel 2 had USB 3.1 support. It's 2023 now.
Apple is either trying to squeeze people as much as possible before it's game over for their proprietary cables, or are afraid that people can't identify which cables support which speeds. Maybe a bit of both?
Not acceptable for phones that are more expensive, to have speeds from a USB spec designed in the year 2000. Pixel 7 currently implements USB 3.2 standards, and with USB 4.0 (based on Thunderbolt, designed by Apple and Intel) on the way, I'm sure Android phones will be packing that as soon as they can.
android phones to ship that way depending on which vendor you pick
Almost like Android has no business practices to criticize because it's not a company. This thread is about criticizing Apple, not iOS.

Why do I care about the data rate for my charging cable?

Found the Apple simp
I’m with you. See my previous comment. These people are getting so worked up.