Operating Systems for Different Life Stages
Operating Systems for Different Life Stages
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Do you have multiple monitors?
Yes - Don't buy a mac
No - Still don't buy a mac-
I mean, yeah, don’t ever buy a Mac, but what’s up with the multiple monitors? Do they struggle with it?
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macOS out of the box fucking sucks for monitor scaling with third party monitors. It's honestly laughable for a modern OS. You can install some third party software that fixes it completely, but it really shouldn't be necessary. I use an (admittedly pretty strange) LG DualUp monitor as a secondary, and out of the box macOS can only make everything either extremely tiny, extremely large, or blurry.
Other than that, I've had no problems at all, and the window scaling between different DPI monitors is a lot smoother than it was with Windows previously.
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For me it's that compared to windows and linux, handling multiple windows between screens is always problematic, and is made worse by alt-tab bringing up all the windows for an application, which means they pop up in the other monitors too which isn't usually what I want. Maximizing is usually not as straightforward as one would hope, and the dock moves to any window if you leave your pointer at the bottom which can get annoying fast. As some point out apparently there's 3rd party software that allows you to fix these issues, but that's not an option for me because I use a locked-down Mac for work and can't install 3rd party software, so I'm stuck with the annoying base behavior.
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The base model chips only supports 2 monitors. The Pro, Max, and Ultra chips all support multiple monitors.
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$ pacman -Si god error: package 'god' was not foundTake that, theists!
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You don't need god, pacman is our god!
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I can be as rich as god and wouldn't go for windows or apple. I would rather invest the money in good Foss development
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Probably the reason as to why you aren't rich in the first place
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I can objectively state the contrary.
Mac don't cause riches to customer.
Riches cause Mac customer. -
Yes, my idealism is one of the reasons, another is severe ADHD.
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That's fantastic, man! Congratulations, really!
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Being a support person, if I was rich enough to frivolously buy systems, I'd have at least one of each as a reference system. Yes, I know, vms, but that's for saving money/space. Especially MAC I'd have some hardware too. Definitely not a main system though. I currently have a broken Mac and a cheap chromebook for that reason, though due to being broken the Mac is rather useless now. When it worked I often used it to help test/troubleshooting customer stuff.
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For real I've put in a fraction supporting OpenSource then I had if I had to buy unfree software and I've gotten way more out of it.
I see it as a difference between owning and renting.
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I have tried templeOS. It is amazing one guy built all that. It feels like it needs training sessions to make better use of it, and also it is wacky as hell
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It feels like it needs training sessions to make better use of it, and also it is wacky as hell
Seems the description of MS Office.
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Lol
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Everyone always forgets the "it just works," easy, normie distributions like Fedora. I guess people figure if you're looking for an OS like that, you might as well just use Windows, but I'd rather not.
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There's something to practicing with the operating system family that most big commercial outfits use. Plus SELinux is neat, and there's no Canonical ads.
I use Fedora with home-manager, btw. After using Arch and Debian for years I really think Fedora (or adjacent like Nobara) is on its way to being the de facto starter distro.
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I've seen Fedora lauded for being so responsive, and I'd probably go for that over the super bloated Ubuntu. I know it's not debloated either but that is preferable over dealing with Arch which needs a lot of tinkering time which eats into my work time.
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If you have money you still shouldn't buy a mac.
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This one seriously lack of Hannah Montana Linux.
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At first I thought this was cursed
No! PonyOS uses its own kernel, built from scratch
Now I think it’s very cursed
EDIT:
Ok after investigating the kernel is forked from https://github.com/klange/toaruos so it’s slightly less cursed
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Damn I was getting excited about a kernel built in scratch.
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Oh man, I'm so disappointed. The defaults don't even port over any of the "really good" MLP themes. Might be because DE versions have changed, but I remember there being a fairly well done (for a stupid gag anyways) Rainbow Dash theme for KDE4.
I mean, if I'm going to embrace the inner brony, why would I want the same generic looking "dark" theme every other offering has...
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There is never a wrong time to choose Linux
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Haha, it amuses me to no end that ever since I watched a "Down the Rabbit Hole" video on Youtube about TempleOS a few years back I have seen it crop up in varies places from time to time as I don't remember ever seeing anything about it before.
Makes me wonder if it was always there and I just didn't notice it until I was familiar with it.
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"Baader-Meinhof phenomenon" or "frequency illusion."
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google trends shows a steady increase in popularity
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There's a name for this phenomenon which I will notice all around me once I remember the name of said phenomenon.
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"Baader-Meinhof phenomenon" or "frequency illusion."
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I think in this specific scenario you can attribute most of it’s popularity directly to that video
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Where's Hannah Montana Linux?
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This meme was obviously created inside of it.
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ah yes, a fireship viewer.
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Let say I want to try Linux but I want to keep my Windows OS intact (for now), and I only have 1 SSD in my PC.
Is there a solution that I can just partition the drive, install Linux, switch between OS by just restarting without affecting the other, AND later on remove one OS without wiping the SSD?
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Yes, first you need to resize the partition to accommodate the new OS. Usually 40-60 GB is good enough for minimal linux installation if you didn't do any gaming or other massive applications. The resizing can be done in windows using disk management utility baked into windows, or some other partition manager (easeus, magic tools, etc). After that, linux can be safely installed in the free space as a single partition.
Now, sometimes the bootloader is fucked, but it is quite easy to fix. In fact, if you use grub, it usually runs os-probe for you to check for any other OS. So sometimes, fixing it is as simple as rerunning grubmkconfig. But there are other times where it is not as simple. It will vary depending on what happened and too long to list here. Arch Wiki usually covers a lot of the topic so you could try searching there, especially on the topic of boot sequence.
Lastly, if you need to move the partition, the data already inside will need to be moved too. This can take time depending on the size. But it is doable and safe.
If, later down the road you want to remove either OS, you can simply remove the partition after moving the data first. Linux can mount ntfs natively so no problem there. On windows, there is a program called ext4 explorer or something along the line to browse and copy from linux filesystem (which is usually ext4). Don't forget to remove the boot information too after you're done removing the partition.
Now there is also the other suggestion to use a live environment but I didn't suggest it since the experience can be lacking and more hassle in and of itself.
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I want to add to this that Windows sometimes has its own ideas and decides it owns the disk. I had a dual boot with Windows and Linux and Windows updated and fucked up the file system. I was able to recover almost everything without that much issue, that it did require some extra tools and some knowledge. The boot partition I never recovered though. (I was able to fix it to get it to boot into the Linux install again, but not Windows no matter what I tried.)
This was about a year ago, maybe a bit more. The issue I had with Linux prior to this, which is why I was dual booting, was gaming. At this point gaming was perfectly fine for me to ditch windows, so I just grabbed all the files I needed to keep and set the drive up new with a fresh install.
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Thanks, but on second thought I don't want to risk anything as I'm not quite the "technical" kind. I don't even know how to dual boot 2 different windows version. I don't think I'll be able to fix it if anything broke.
So I'll buy another cheap SSD and put Linux on it while unplugged my old SSD. Then I'll be choosing the boot drive during POST.
I'm damn sick of Windows BS, I hope this'll work out.
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I'll add that id highly recommend making a backup before doing anything. You can more safely try out linux in a virtual machine as well
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I just installed Linux Mint into a dual boot setup recently. Unsurprisingly, their install process made it pretty easy to partition the drive and have everything play nice together.
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Yes I did this less than a week ago.
I shrinked the windows main partition(the C: drive) to like only 70gb since i don't want to use it at all, then made a live usb and go with custom partition selection. Then you have to give certain partitions for linux. The /boot/efi should be selected as windows boot partition so both show up in bootloader.
Then you have to create a root and swap partition atleast, and you can have seperate home partition if you want tp install different linux distro without losing data in first linux.
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One of the most important things to recognise before I start: Don't try to make something permanent right now. None of this needs to be written in stone. Choose what's going to be best for you right now and know that in a few weeks or months you might want to change it. With that in mind:
What do you want out of Linux right now? A development system? Are you looking to see what it would be like to move away from Windows? Something else?
Let's start with the development system. Let's say you're comfortable on Windows and just want to do a few things that are easier or more convenient on Linux. In that case, you probably want Windows Subsystem for Linux. This will get you a bunch of things, including the ability to quickly and easily try out a bunch of distributions. Of course, this is going to be primarily a command line experience. You're not going to get the "full experience" with a desktop environment, etc. But if you just "need Linux for a couple of things," this is a great intro.
Next, let's say you want to try Linux out, see what the desktop is like, etc. This is a great opportunity to try a virtual machine. You'll have limitations (less hardware access, maybe not as smooth a desktop as if it were on the hardware directly), but it's a great way to play with distributions, especially if you want to explore multiple distros. (I'll get to distros below)
Got a distro you want and want to try it as your "main environment" for a while? Other folks have mentioned how to dual boot. Here, the most critical part in my opinion is to put your important data onto a third partition that's easily accessible to both. On Linux, I'd suggest bind mounting directories from that partition in your home directory. If you want to wipe an OS later it'll be a bit rough, but you can do it. You'll just need to boot from a live USB to do it, and of course be very careful about what partitions you delete.
Now, for distros:
Everyone is going to recommend their pet distro, and to that end I recommend [REDACTED]. But! Here's my actual guide for selecting a distro:
- Got a friend who's willing to spend a decent amount of time helping you? Go with whatever they suggest, at least for now. It's okay if it's not where you'll be eventually. What they're familiar with right now will speed up their ability to help you, which will speed up your learning. What they use may well not be where you end up and that's okay. I do however have two exceptions to this: first, if they suggest Gentoo or NixOS as your intro distro, find someone else. Gentoo and NixOS are both fantastic, but they are very much not beginner distros. In 6 months or a year though, they might be something you want to play with if you're interested in doing a deep dive into Linux. Second, have them with you while you're doing the install. You want to be doing the install, but they should be there to guide you and answer questions.
- Doing this on your own? Go with a beginner friendly distro. The main recommendations I have here are Ubuntu spins or Fedora spins. There may well be people who reply to my comment spewing hate about one or both of those recommendations, and while there's controversy about both of these, at the end of the day they're both great. (Conflict of interest declaration: I work for the company that makes one of those distros, and the other one is some of our biggest competition. I applied for this job in part because I thought that one of the things the community loves to hate about one of these was Great, Actually™, but I wanted to improve some of the things that I think are actually valid criticisms.)
If internet randoms tell you "X is garbage, don't use it," feel free to disregard them. Most Linux distros are great. They all have smart, dedicated people working on them, and they each have their own vision of how they want it done. These ideas conflict sometimes, but that's okay.
And one final thing... Don't fight against your distro's way of doing something. At least not now. Most people telling you to do something that works against the distro are doing so for ideological, not practical, reasons. You don't need to get involved in ideological wars - enjoy Linux for its positives.!
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Those are wise words.
Remember that in the end, all the distributions end up doing and installing pretty much the same thing (from the user's pov). It doesn't matter all that much what you use. Most of the major ones work just fine.
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This comment is good, but it's very much the "scared of change" comment. It recommends the smallest amount of change possible, which might be good for some people but just diving in will probably be a better introduction.
You don't learn how to swim by sitting in a bath tub. You have to get into the water. Maybe wear some safety gear (dual boot or other options), but if you're reasonably confident and/or competent you'll be fine getting into Linux as long as you're using one of the major distros.
I assume almost everyone who has made it to Lemmy is competent enough with a computer to handle the transition to Linux. It really isn't all that hard if you know how to use a search engine.
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Are you a space alien ?
PLAN 9
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Are you rich question should also be applied to windows nowadays.
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missing bsd 9front and any device with Uxn support
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My favorite line in the fireship video this is from goes something like "FreeBSD is the real answer but I like being able to Google things"
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
the fireship video this is from
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
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Get an Intel powered Mac and install Linux on it, just to mess with Apple.
(Note: only Windows and macOS are officially supported on these kinds of computers, and on the new Apple silicon Macs, only the latter)
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Low effort
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Called me out man. Although I do have money
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please extend this ALOT (with commonly known distros like mint and rocky and freeBSD)
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Do you respect your own patience by wanting things to just run? Yes - Windows. No - Linux Distro Hopping.
Do you have a fair bit of programming knowledge and a sponge for a brain? Yes - Linux. No - Windows.
Do you love corporate overlords? Yes - Apple. No - Linux. Maybe - Windows.
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all the cool people are just waiting for aos to come back.
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I found out you can search for "os choice meme"
Took me way too long.
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Why would Apple be associated with being rich? They're very averaged priced now.
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It's the storage prices. Any more than 1tb and you gotta sell a kidney.
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That's true with like every phone too tho
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My coworker does graphic design, and he paid $8k for his Mac laptop.
I honestly don't know if there's anything I could order in a Windows/Linux laptop that would add up to $8k.
I get great performance out of my $90 eBay laptop running Debian, by the way.
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I know it's a joke, I hate to be that guy. But this meme feels old and obsolete now. I can't remember the last time I had to tweak my Linux. The fun is gone
For real. I recently had to swap my window manager to xmonad just to feel something again.
Cool! Maybe I can challenge you. Can you help me figure out how I can get my Hyprland session back on my Arch install? I have a Radeon 7700 XT and I recently installed an RTX 4070 to assist with some compute tasks. With both cards installed GDM doesn't populate the Hyprland option. If I remove the 4070 everything goes back to normal.
(This is also a joke, you don't need to help me troubleshoot this.)
(Unless you actually know how in which case I can pay you $20 for your time)
Wayland compositor
Nvidia GPU.
Upvoted, joke appreciated :)
By an Index and get into VR gaming on Linux. We livin on the edge ovar her. Shit breaks every day and there's a wonky python script you have to use if you wanna be able to put the base stations into sleep mode 👍
Install Gentoo and let the fun begin!
I was going to say Guix but I've always been a little Gentoo curious
Time to do LFS
Yeah it just works now. Sometimes I miss the days where we had to troubleshoot sound drivers, because it made us learn so much. Even if we didn't manage to fix the problem, we learned about how sound works in Linux.
Can i interest you on the deep customization of nixos?
Jokes aside. I don't really use the deep patching nix enables. The area of customization i want: look and feel of applications. It's not something that's doable really. Desktops are just different ways to launch a web browser T_T
mint
Last week for me lol.
AMD DRM bug in the kernel that prevents certain 3D rendering or something. Most games through WINE/proton was broken. Had to downgrade the kernel.
Wouldn't call that fun as it prevented one of the very few days per month I get to play games with some of my friends
It's interesting to read people's issues on Linux. It seems almost all of them come from the graphic stack and gaming. Using an Intel card I haven't seen an issue in forever.
You need TempleOS?
Upgrade to Fedora 40 was downright boring.