Florida Is on Its Way to Banning — and Criminalizing

Party of small government my fucking ass. Also, isn't the free market allowed to produce any product and compete for consumer spending? Isn't that capitalism?

Desantis is literally pushing these laws and screaming woke while pocketing millions of dollars of "donations" from the large cattle ranching companies throughout the state. Hell, he started attacking Disney once they stopped paying him millions in bribes too. Disney's disagreement with the dont say gay bill was the perfect excuse
It's all bad faith arguments. They just use it as a weapon to get their way. Although, this reeks of corporate regulatory capture.
No.
Capitalism is when certain industries and certain corporations amass such a market share that they are able to bribe legislatures to prohibit any competitors to their product, under force of law.
Similar to the exertion of influence by noble families under feudalism.
If our democracy has already been captured by such corporate actors, then it is difficult to imagine how "remembering to vote" could meaningfully correct such deep systemic flaw. Emigrating to Norway seems to be one of a handful of plausible remaining options

Small government means making it ILLEGAL to be Vegan or Vegetarian!

Almost like "small government" was just a bullshit excuse to cut social services and avoid regulating against the unchecked greed and exploitation of wealthy executives, not something they genuinely believed.
- Yeah, I think of it as a critical thinking short circuit mechanism. It’s a means of justifying any policy to their voters without actually having to list its merits or defend any harm it does. The voter thinks “smaller government = more freedom and more money for me” and their brain stops there.
Small minded government.
Stand your ground beef, and the cattle doctrine, are important concepts in the south.
They want to force out everyone to the left of Matt gaetz so they never have to worry about pesky liberal voters ever again. If they could round up every registered Democrat and drop them off in California or new York, they fucking would.
It's only a slippery slope because they coated it with lard.
You should try reading the article before commenting. The "fake meat" they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
- The "fake meat" they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
  Depending on an individual’s reasons for following a vegan or vegetarian diet, lab-grown meat may very well be okay.
  If their reasons are nutrition based, sure, they should avoid lab-grown meat.
  If their reasons are based in the ethics of raising animals for slaughter, factory farming, or the carbon footprint and/or food and water waste involved in raising an entire animal just for parts of it to be food, then lab-grown meat might be fine in their mind.
- Oh so just more anti-science bullshit so they can choke down bribes from the meat industry.
Worse. This is government deciding what you can eat. This is actual socialism (not the workers decide means of production kind though). Ron's done this before with stocks.
- So, not actual socialism then.
- You might need a dictionary

We'll, I guess that means lab-grown meat is showing promise! I look forward to seeing it in stores.

I'm so fucking sick of the Florida government. House insurance is astronomical, but they're worried about lab-grown meat, teachers saying gay, and books.

Think of them a bit like a friend with a drug problem. They gotta ride this train all the way to the bottom before there will be any interest in change.

Man, for a party that talks about freedoms, they sure love taking them away. As long as their followers still have gun rights, fuck everything else.

No,, they're very much not allowed to fuck everything else. They are allowed to fuck one thing in very specific circumstances (age not being one of them)

Aaaahhh the political party of not wanting to interfere in people's lives.

Unless you eat meat from a source that might change an industry and cause a select few individuals to be slightly less rich

Unless you masturbate and waste gods seed

Unless you love the wrong person

Unless you want to vote for the wrong person

Unless you believe in the wrong or (gasp) no god at all!

Unless you're the wrong skin color, how dare you!

Unless you have the wrong genitals

Unless you have the wrong wrong genitals

Unless...

You forgot poor
- Yeah, I knew I forgot about 50 more of em, but I thought the point was there, sorta...
Anyone else notice the rules are identical to what a slave owner would want (to increase slave reproduction).
- I don't get why a slave owner would care about like 9/10 of the things on that list, though.
- Yeah, Friedrich Nietzsche

Politics is bout ideology, value and belief. But here, it's about making decisions by dogmatism and cult. This is a whole different level.

Alabama also passed a bill to ban the sale and manufacturing of it, making it a Class C felony.

What in the fuck is going on in these guys heads. I get being beholden to the cattle industry but this shit is beyond that

It's about pushing all the people who live there and disagree with the Republican agenda.
They are actually that fragile.
They probably have their identities tied to meat consumption. That's also a reason for the climate denialism. I recently learned about petro-masculinity and it seems very plausible to me.
The same people believed margarine was a grave socialist (iirc) threat to the country and made the production and sale of that a felony. I think around a century ago. Something, something, those who neglect to learn history, something something...
- Don't bring up partially hydrogenated vegetable oil here. You're gonna jinx us and make fake meat kill everybody.

Oh, but don't tell them about the house insurance rates, that's a problem for their constituency, not them.
Republicans have never been for free market capitalism really. They just talk like they were, but in reality the only difference is that they're corrupted by a different set of corporations.
Real free markets are too much for the voters to handle, apparently.
- Well, unions are actually highly regulated in the US. It was never about "small government", it's about using the government as a cudgel against who they don't like, which is practically everyone below a billion net worth, and even some above.
The whole Republican establishment agenda right now is to do the white Christian version of Sharia Law.
- Always has been.

So far Florida seems to be a good shooter when it comes to its own foot. Make Diznee illegal, abortion illegal, abortion pill, tofu meat. What's next? Smoothies?

Let's make an allegory to porn and prostitution that George Carlin made some years back... Selling is legal, fucking is legal, do why can't selling fucking also be legal?

Banana is legal, orange is legal, so why can't a smoothie be legal? The answer is "Florida!"

Not a Florida supporter here, but the article is not about tofu meat:
Over the last several months, Florida legislators have been quietly working to ban — and criminalize — the production and sale of cell-cultivated meat across the state
- Even more stupid then. And what exactly is tofu meat?
This is about lab-grown meat.
One thing we probably should ban is headlines because then people would actually have to read the article.
- Banning lab grown meat is JUST as stupid
- I sad tofu meat because that's the kind of fake meat I like. There's also the kind where they make sort of stringy material and glued together and then the version where they get a plant or other scaffolding material and fill it with animal clone cells, that's the kind you're talking about here. Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.

Florida is taking away the freedom of any person to eat whatever they want? Is anyone surprised?

I wanna get one of those cigarette boats and smuggle abortion pills and alternative meat into Florida and trans people out.

It'll be black with a red racing stripe and a spoiler like the A Team van and I'll name it the Baracus.

Can I join you? I will bring one two and we can start the freedom floatilla.
The fun part is the coast guard won't care.

Always with the lame anecdotal argument that sounds like it came from a drunk idiot.

Florida state Rep. Tyler Sirois, the Republican who introduced a similar bill, HB 1071, told Politico that his major motivation is protecting the cattle industry. “Farming and cattle are incredibly important industries to Florida,” Sirois stated, adding, "So I think this is a very relevant discussion for our state to have.”

I don't agree with him on the policy, but I'll give him this: that's more honest than most people advocating for creating protectionist barriers to protect incumbent food producers that I've seen.

Usually there's something about how it's potentially deadly or maybe waving around "concerns" about whether there'd be food security in a global famine or something.

It's also a very stupid take. If that's what he thinks, then he should finance farms that transition from growing animals to growing whatever is needed in this more modern and civilised world, like high protein legumes and that sort of stuff used in producing new generation foods.
He also thinks it's an affront to nature and creation that could lead to cloning, so yeah..
Wow that's extremely anti capitalist and still sucks ass
Bravo to this guy, sucking in exactly all ways
By this logic, Florida should criminalize cars to protect the carriage industry

I love how humans try their hardest to cut down on the amount of destruction they cause only for other humans to villainize and tear them down at every turn.

It cuts into the meat industry's profits and is primarily desired by liberals
Not destroying the planet and killing sentient beings is "woke", so they have to oppose it.
One bite and, bam, your transmexican.
- What's wrong with my transmexican?
- Got to remember that one... It'll come in handy for years to come!
Because they are free market Republicans. /s
“Furthermore, on this day, henceforth shall it be known:
If it ain’t moo, cain’t moo, won’t moo, ain’t not never gonna moo, and can’t make you moo, then it is of the devil and shall not be permitted.
Also, the words ‘front loaf’ are not permissible descriptions of the governor’s crotchetal regions.
Let it be law. “
Because they need to keep the kill count high otherwise some other demon will surpass them.
In fairness to them it’s not meat. Don’t ban it just label it appropriately, like sparkling protein.
- It is literally meat though.
- How is it not meat?

Medicine is too woke for Florida. So is meat, so are books.

Anyone have any predictions?

I feel like seat belts are going to be too woke soon for Florida.

Driving licenses altogether might be too woke.

Salads? Too woke for Florida

I feel like they should probably get rid of the seatbelt law… let the problem sort itself out,
- The problem with this is that ambulances are a constrained resource.
- Yea, the covid deniers really helped the rational side of the population by weeding themselves out in similar circumstances
- They wouldn't do that. They'd ban them, cuz only libtards are cowardly and gay enough to use them. Or something. I hate this timeline.
Open internet is too dangerous for our kids.
- What if they learn too much?
Florida will be full of those sovereign citizen license plates, if it's not already.
@Varyk @zarkanian Florida is too woke for Florida. It's all gonna come crashing down soon like a house of cards in the wind.
- This reminds me that Miami has pumps running 24 hours a day to keep it from flooding.
  So pumps will become woke soon and then Miami will be underwater.

This is great! This'll lower prices for everyone else.

They're actually setting up the board with some big criminal penalties for selling it. It'll have a cross state freezing effect on the vendors as a whole and transportation through states. They're going full drug war on it. I didn't expect their need for cattle farmer votes to be so acute.
- Fortunately you don't need to go through Florida to get to many.... Any... Other states.
- They don't give a fuck about the cattle farmers votes. They care about that cattle farmers payment for their vote.

Alternative meat sounds like a slang term for a dildo.

That's funny.

I don't care what Rick Desantis says. It's my right as an American to enjoy Soylent Green.

Does it come in green now? Last I checked it was original, chocolate, or coffee.
- Green, red and yellow.
- It comes in Mint Chocolate, which is green.

It's good to see Florida really taking the lead on tackling the issues that matter.

Someone who doesn't get sarcasm downvoted you.
- The joke is on you; I was being serious!
  Honestly though, I wouldn't be certain it was sarcasm either given the many unfortunate belief systems I've encountered on the Internet.

I've been watching the tech to make actual meat from cell lines emerge with some optimism- it promises to make it possible for us to have meat in our diets without all the greenhouse gases and feedlots and the like- but it also threatens to consolidate the protein industry into even fewer corporate hands if it's not well-regulated.

The meat industry is honestly pretty awful (environmentally, politically, ethically, etc.) and I find myself rooting for the plucky young frankenmonsters that might come along and knock them down even though I'm pretty sure they'll be worse if they're not well regulated from the start.

Not long until they ban Linux!

It really is the socialist devil's OS.
- The alternative woke furry nerds love it.
Found one of the Lemmy people whose identity is "Linux"

They need to lose in court again, I guess. Sorry taxpayers, that's 20 million right off the top.

I like meat too, but this is silly. Just had roast chicken yesterday. I also have a freezer with two door shelves lined with tubes of Impossible Sausage. It's a pretty damn good "sausage", and without those hard/random bits of gristle you'll encounter with the real thing. Think there's some Quorn chicken nuggets in there too. Just buy as you like.

And soy was a lovely mitigator for menopausal hot flashes. Dosed myself with soy on the daily for those weeks, no flashes (awful random surges of heat, head to toes, such that you sweat into your hair, behind your knees, awful.) Miss a day, hot flashes. Although, when you think on it, this fits with Florida, really. Fuck women's health, amiright?

Is the hot flash thing because of the phytoestrogen? Pretty cool.

So, it's a race to heart disease against the environmental clock that's working hard to turn the whole state into Shatlantis, part duh?

No. Not impossible burgers and the like. Just lab grown beef and the like
- Even stupider 🤣
- Impossburgs arent heart healthy

I have no idea what is going on. Is the article biased and not telling us something we should know about the reasoning behind these bills? Are these politicians taking payment from "big-meat"?

Almost certainly yes, because ag business loves their government subsidies.
Florida state Rep. Tyler Sirois, the Republican who introduced a similar bill, HB 1071, told Politico that his major motivation is protecting the cattle industry. “Farming and cattle are incredibly important industries to Florida,” Sirois stated
Safe to say they're 100% taking bribes from the cattle industry

Cool…😶