Sideloading won't be enabled where I live

All other countries without sideloading mandates

We're as shitty as we're legally allowed to be
Apple

Technology isn't to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.
- Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.
- From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.
To be fair that's not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.
- To be even fairer, corporations have no inherent "right" to exist, and in fact should not be allowed to exist unless they're acting ethically and serving society.
- Ok, but Android wouldn't have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet...
- Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it's just called not being a fucking prick.
- Not always. Consumers given choice they should go for the product that is best. That way companies have to make the best product. That's competition working.
  Like when ps3 offered free online but xbox didn't. That killed the xbox market as everyone could choose a similar product that was cheaper.
  Or when apple forced everyone to use their products people went to the Samsung because you could do what you want. That killed apple.
  Or when some companies offered subscription model like Microsoft Office, everyone went to alternatives and that killed Microsoft Office.
  Honestly I blame people. We had all the information and just laughed in the face of reason. We are choosing to spend more for a shittier product.
I honestly don't get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don't get the reasoning.
People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can't play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can't use something and instead have to use apples device which isn't as good and more expensive but it's white! Like I can't get a fucking white one.
The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.
- i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn't open the filesystem on my PC
- People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can't play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple
  Idk why people told you that but it's never been true. iPods didn't give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.
- From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty
  No shit.
  From Hitler's perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?
- Apple products are all about stupid proofing.
  Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.
  Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.
  No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
  Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.
  Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.
- " from my point of view, the Jedi are evil"
  Anakin sounded like a total ass too when he said it
- Their branding: "Apple. Defective by design."

Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯(ツ)/¯

Wasn't my choice. I was 10.
- One thing I've learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy
  I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be
- Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck
- When I was your age, I was already 15
- Congratulations you made everyone feel old
- Vote to rejoin.
- Excuses excuses.
- Reee kids get out
- I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.
  Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!
Can Canada take UK's spot?
- Can Russia? Asking for a friend. Obviously Putin relocates to Hauge.

Thanks, brexit. yet another win 🙄

brexit went great huh?

It wasn't my dumb idea.
They are well on their way to becoming the 51st State!
- 52nd*
  Canada and UK act all haughty about being superior to the US but we have MAGA here and the UK has similar, and there is a reason they are called TERF island.
- New Guam, maybe.
- Nah, that's Australia. Australia and the US are closer allies than UK and the US.
- We'll see once we sink their tea again!
The people who voted Brexit weren't concerned about their ability to side load apps
- the people who voted brexit werent concerned about a lot considering the post vote google searches for "what is brexit"

It's pretty funny considering their main arguments have never mentioned the financial impact and always leaned on SeCuRitY, or some dumb shit the fanboys will regurgitate.
Like, Apple you lying little slut — we know you cuck for coins in everything you do.
I'm getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It's everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don't want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.
Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.
- Lineage with F-droid. Or regular linux.
- are you thick in the head? and I don't mean the one in your pants.
It's a matter of time. Other countries just need a copy paste law. Apple knows this. But right now it's worth it to keep 2 systems around.
Anything Google is optional on Android, especially since the EU's DMA which now mandates the service accounts to be decoupled (or to make coupling optional, to be more precise).
Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It's kinda the point of them having 'an ecosystem' (monopolized ofc).
All "privacy" efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.
- Proof that Apple sell your data?

Another Brexit Benefit

Fuck Nigel Frog face Farrage, The Haunted Victorian Pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg, Lord David Pig Fucker Cameron, Maybot, Boris I don't care where I stick my Johnson, and all the rest of the Tories who either actively supported this or were to self interested to not rebel as their leaders doubled down on their Brexit folly again and again.

As a mainland European I find Brexit absolutely hilarious. Even Labour is now like: "we didn't get the bad press, so we're fine with Brexit now".

Time to get an Android, I guess.

Always has been
- Just as long as you get one of the few models that are unlocked or offer a long lifetime of updates.
Apple is so locked down I fail to see what the appeal could be in the first place, there's very little customization, only one hardware manufacturer, and they're more guilty of anyone else in the market of planned obsolescence.
- iPhones historically have lasted 5+ years while android manufacturers tend to support a phone for maybe 2 years.
  Only justnow are companies promising 7 year support for Android, but even then Google has been full of shit lately like their pixel subscription that they cancelled right when users were beginning to be eligible for a new free phone.
  You can complain about the headphone jack, but Apple devices last far far longer than comparable devices. That goes for Macs too where the hardware lasts 10 years, and Google and Microsoft just tossed millions of devices in the trash by dropping support.
  Linux has longer support than anyone, which should serve as a model, but of the tech companies Apple is the least guilty of planned obsolescence.
- The ecosystem is the thing holding me here. Everything works so seamlessly and the products are very good (imo). I don’t have to worry that my watch and headphones might not work with another company’s phone, or at least not as good. If there are headphones and watches that would work as well, seamless and long as Apple’s, I’m open to suggestions. Apple might be behind with innovations, but when they implement something, it’s done right (usually)
The time to get an Android instead of an iPhone was any time since 2008 when Android first became available.
- My situation is complicated.

Enjoy your walled garden, you paid for it.

I got it for free. It used to be my Gran's.
- I don't know how to interpret this comment

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Imagine if steam only enabled refunds for australian customers and no one else, lmao.

There are other countries with mandatory refunds.
- That's where the keyword imagine comes in.
- Main point of the argument is that Valve said screw it, and gave everyone refunds, because it was the right thing to do

Apple really fucking hates user freedom and choice.

Well, it's just capitalism, ain't it. The goal of the company is to generate as much revenue as possible. That is why we need to regulate the market and everyone who says else is probably a rich asshole who does not care about others.
apple gives you the patriotic freedom to defend a company taking away freedom
They protect user's choice to choice not having a choice.
No, they protect free market from communism. Free as in free to screw you over and communism as in any democracy.
Always have. They want money, not fans
Apple haters have ALWAYS found something to wrap their hate around and then march on parade; this is just the latest. Just join the line at the back…
Or buy something else.
- Well the one thing you're right about is that I don't buy Apple.

You should never sideload. Cranes are not designed to be loaded that way and the crane or the load could move unexpectedly.

Always lift vertically.

Would a different bird work?
LoL wth? You're misunderstood the post.
When you reloading a gun, always turn the firearm sideways to have a better view of the chamber, and thus increase precision and reduce time.

Brexit effect. Slowly but surely starts to show some results.

Was Brexit really worth it?

If you have the kind of tax affairs you really don't want auditing, quite possibly.

This year EU will get sudden spike in tourism and immigration

To sideload iPhones apps? Lol
/E: I realised you probably meant pretending to be in those countries.. duh
- Why pretending if can be there for real? Not that US minimum wage is not lower than average teacher salary in my country.
I was too retarded to realize this was a joke and was in the middle of replying seriously.
But yeah I just bought a one-way ticket to Athens.

All other countries without sideloading mandates

Every 3rd world country that was already jail breaking and sideloading apps anyway:

Hits a buzzer

Countries where "lobbying" is popular

Just move out of that place and you won't have that problem anymore.

I hear the EU next door is pretty cool.

it is, glad to be in eu
- Enjoy it in there.
  I'll join you in a few years. It's not so easy to get that stinking visa.

What is side loading?

Something Android has had since version 1.0: the ability to install apps from places other than the App Store.
- Ahh yeah i love that about Android. I never knew apple was so locked down, i should have known though
Loading your own software on a device independently of an app store, a.k.a. "the way general-purpose computers are supposed to work," a.k.a. "exercising your property rights."
On iPhone you can only install an app via AppStore. Side loading is the act of installing an app without the AppStore (with a different store, or by sending a file from your computer… it allows to install apps that Apple doesn’t want on their store for various reasons like a retro game emulator to play Super Nintendo on your phone.
- The really frustrating thing about iOS is even if you make and computer your own app, you have to reinstall it every week despite paying a $100 developer fee. And you can only have a few apps installed that way.

lol this is an “article” written by ChatGPT full of fluff and speculation.

Aw, seriously? I'm getting worse at spotting that.
- Before it was edified, there even used to be a part of the model response
  I have expanded the article to over 4500 words, maintaining the same style, tone, and formatting per your request. Please let me know if you need any additional changes or have feedback...

Damn you Brexit again

Praise the EU

But you have those £300 million per week for the NHS now.

Wait, really? Why is it in such a state‽

another brexit benefit we stay winning /s

5 eyes spy network countries. No surprise there.

That's not the reason. The only reason is because they are not part of the EU.
- Well we’re part of Eurovision and that’s basically the same thing.

I still don't understand why people would want iOS if you plan to do off-brand stuff like sideload non apple appstore applications. You are just torturing yourself just so you can still have an iPhone.

I don't want an iPhone, and it's a long story as to why I'm stuck with one.
- I got time. Lay it on me.
- There's 3 answers:
  1: work (possibly school?)
  2: you are a child and your parents bought it.
  3: you're weak and let someone else or money make your decision...
  I mean the only thing that could make the story "long" is adding in excuses or trying to get sympathy.
There's loads of people who prefer iPhone and would sideload if allowed but it's not a deal-breaker. I prefer iOS and Apple hardware but refuse to buy one without sideloading.
My S24 Ultra is arriving tomorrow, but I'll likely be buying the iPhone 16 if it comes with sideloading.
So Apple is gaining a customer, I've been eyeing the MacBooks too ever since the M1 came out so might end up pulling the trigger on one of those as well.

Honestly it could be that developing and maintaining these region-locked differences in OS might be more expensive than saving every last penny from not allowing piracy (which is the real deal for this fuss).

Big majority of android users don't sideload either, most people are so technically illiterate they don't really grasp the idea of an App Store overall, it's just a place for them the get an Instagram button on a new device

The difference with Android is you're able to, it's just not enabled by default. This is Apple outright blocking sideloading.
- Anyone who wants to sideload is tech savvy enough to know that and avoid buying an iPhone. I don't know who this law is supposed to protect.
I doubt that. There's already a lot of other features out there that have to be region locked because of local laws. Could be medical related, car crash detection, etc. The cost of an engineer just reusing that same logic would be fairly minimal.

Why is Canada also excluded from side-loading? 😭

english disease, maybe if y'all spoke more french this wouldn't be happening
- Je parles en français la plupart du temps, cependant sur Lemmy c'est rarement en français.
  Il va simplement falloir attendre que les lois du Canada ainsi que ceux du Québec rattrapent/suivent ceux de l'Union Européenne en ce qui concerne le «Side-loading» dans l'écosystème Apple.
  C'est lent, mais ça arrivera ici éventuellement 😆.
We keep electing shitty governments that cave to American interests both Conservative and Liberal.
- or because it was an eu ruling and canada isn't in the eu

Time to get a Brentrace, I guess.

There is absolutely no correlation between profitability and countries forbidding sideloading.

Correlation with successful lobbying efforts on our part? Maybe. ~ Apple 🍏

US and UK politicians are drinking the kool-aid.

Could enabling a VPN spoof apple to think your in a based country?

They own the phone after all, they'll figure it out.
- Device Administrator: Google
  Yup. Agreed.
It’s possible, but I wouldn’t put it past Apple to ignore the VPN when checking your location. I’d suspect they’d check using more than 1 approach (Internet, GPS, country on your Apple account, etc) to verify your location.
- SIM, plane and simple your carrier location is your location.
They probably use your fucking GPS location to determine where you are for this. And that's more difficult than just using a VPN.
- Hell the phone knows your carrier from the SIM in it. It's not like you can VPN your way outta that.
I use ProtonVPN 24/7, and it hasn't changed anything. It's a firmware thing, I think.
- UK Apple ID on a phone registered on a UK mobile network. Of course a simple VPN won't fix.

Thanks Nigel

The way I see it, the majority of Apple users are fine without side loading and won't even notice it's not there. This is typical Apple behavior so people that buy Apple products should know what they're getting into.

Where there is a will, there is a way

Switch to android?

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I honestly doubt that. The average user doesn't care about this, they probably don't even know what "sideloading" means.
I'm also not gonna go out and buy an iPhone just because sideloading is an option now. Not saying no one will, it just won't be enough to matter.
Its not going to be hardware level lock but linked to Apple ID region. For some it will definitely be worth jumping through some hoops but I think 99% will bail at having to arrange payment method that confirms their EU residency.

Don't cry over it. I live in Europe so I'll get it but the thing is that Apple will most likely force people into some kind of bullshit certificate that you've to buy in order to be able to sideload.

If you read the legal document about side-loading then Apple could be considered in compliance if they just decided to create a “sideloading program” where you can apply and pay for a special certificate with a vetting process and a lot of restrictions (being a company over a certain size etc). Essentially the same as the current Enterprise program but extended to allow 3rd party stores and distribution of App to random users not part of the same organization.

The legislation won't stop them from doing this and it will effetely only be used by large companies that can go through the vetting process and pay the ridiculous amounts of money that Apple will be asking for.

Why would you assume the legislation won't stop it, they have iteratively corrected legislation to mandate it's original intent plenty of times, most recently they've begun looking at cookies because the banner wasn't the intention of the lawmakers.
- Why would you assume the legislation won’t stop it, they have iteratively corrected legislation to mandate it’s original intent plenty of times
  Because just for starters Apple even tried to argue they shouldn't be subject to the legislation because they didn't have one store but multiple stores. Same with iMessage and whatnot.
  If you read the legal document about side-loading then Apple could be considered in compliance if they just decided to create a “sideloading program” where you can apply and pay for a special certificate with a vetting process and a lot of restrictions (being a company over a certain size etc). Essentially the same as the current Enterprise program but extended to allow 3rd party stores and distribution of App to random users not part of the same organization.
  most recently they’ve begun looking at cookies because the banner wasn’t the intention of the lawmakers.
  Yes but do you know what happens? Due to the way the EU works and our constitutions and agreements work we're talking about at least one year of discussions about the issue and then a 3 year period where countries will have to study what was decided by the European Commission and pass national legislation about it. Then you'll have a transition period like (2 more years) until such legislation goes in effect (deadline). So we're talking about around 5 years to get anything practical. We've seen this with USB-C - even before there was USB-C the EU was in talks to adopt a single port (at the time Micro/Mini USB) and it all took about 10 years to unfold.
  Apple is very good as twisting things and what's currently written on the proposal doesn't force Apple to open up iOS to be a generic platform like macOS or Windows - it simply asks them to allow 3rd party stores and sideloading of applications outside their store. Doesn't say that anyone should be able do it, doesn't set the terms, doesn't say it should be free.

The Big Five Oh

For anyone looking to sideload on their iPhone without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account, look into Trollstore, if your IOS version is compatable, you can sideload unlimited apps thanks to the 2 coretrust bugs.

without jailbreaking ... thanks to the 2 coretrust bugs
I think you do not understand what these words mean
- I think that you misunderstood something. Jailbreaking is getting root access. The core trust bugs allow for bypassing some apple app signing stuff so you can sideload unlimited apps with no revokes.
  Trollstore github https://github.com/opa334/TrollStore
  Core trust documentation https://worthdoingbadly.com/coretrust/

Imagine buying a piece of hardware and actually owning it.

Imagine buying a piece of hardware knowing full well that doesn't work the way you want it to and then bitching that it doesn't work the way you want it to
- There are no phone OSes that work the way we want, so we should just never say anything, as consumers?
grapheneos, calyxos, lineageos, etc.
- If these supported phones I actually wanted I'd consider it. Even better if they weren't a pain in the ass to install.

good to see an alternative-frontends enjoyer.

Your battery is at 48% and its almost 11am, you may want to charge if you plan on heavy usage

Maybe they just woke up and are yet to charge theire phone
- Who doesn't plug their phone in overnight?

This gonna affect switzerland too or am i just gonna have to wait and see haha?

You'll be able to sideload. The mandate includes the EEA (which includes Switzerland), as well as the EU.

What is that square with an up arrow icon near the bottom left supposed to do? Help you square up for hitting a golf ball or something?

It’s the share button. Allows… sharing, but also opening in an external app as the other user mentioned.
Open in external app
- Thanks. Not particularly intuitive.

That’s so messed up! Apple come on don’t be a douche!

I don't know how the situation works with apple devices, but wouldn't it be possible to import a model from a country with sideloading required?

I know it's more expensive, but it's something I'd do and have been thinking about with a different phone that ain't available in my country.

Possibly, but for the sake of sideloading I'd may as well just buy an Android.

Do you have a link to the article you took the screenshot from?

https://libmedium.batsense.net/@rmndrathna4/ios-17-2-sideload-apps-what-you-need-to-know-about-apples-new-feature-dcae5665122a

cries in Android

Have you heard of Linux?

Linux phones are cool, but not ready for general use yet... unless that's changed recently, in which case I'll look into buying a PinePhone.
On desktop, I use Debian and FreeBSD.
- Aren't they referring to Android?
- Look into PPP more specifically because based on what I heard PP SoC(A64) has energy obesity.
- If you want the option to side load, why not go with Android?