Putin says past U.S. elections were rigged

And watch MAGA eat this shit up.

Why would putin lie about such a thing? I'm going to blindly believe him since it confirms my existing beliefs.
- I mean, he does know a thing or two about rigged elections.
MAGA and tankies. I'd say strange bedfellows, but honestly, they're not that different beyond what shade of red they prefer to be painted.
- they're not that different beyond what shade of red they prefer to be painted.
  CCP Red or Kremlin Rouge
- Cosplay communists.
  No one who's an actual communist would support Yeltsin and the Oligarchs' friend Putin.
- Is the tanky in the room with us right now?
This 100%. The Russian propaganda to right wing talking heads pipeline is just so painfully obvious.

Elections have been rigged for a long, long time. Gerrymandering is absolutely insane. Cities with meandering sections cut off. Disadvantaged suburbs slammed into afluent areas across town to dilute the votes.

But not rigged in the way Putin and the Republicans claim. Rigged in ways that help them.
- Just like all the claims the GOP makes now. If they claim we're doing something it's because they're doing it.
  Not. To say that there's not Democratic gerrymandering as well, but when 80% of it leans red that 20% blue is more of a defensive posture than anything.
You could also have any political opponents thrown in jail or wait for them to fall out of a window. You don't need to tamper with the system that way.
- That sounds more Russia's cup of tea
Rigged overlaps too much with the votes being fake. I think unjust and inequitable are better terms.

Ah yes, a Putin, the bastion of honesty and truth.

Well, this one is a confession from him
Pot calling Kettle black, but he ain't even wrong.
Not even getting into the Brooks Brothers Riots or Operation Eagle Eye or the straight explicit rigging of Jim Crow, the modern political class fully endorses rigging elections
Putin knows the US elections can be rigged because he's had his hands on the levers of power. But he's hardly unique in that regard. Certainly, not given how we've eviscerated the Voting Rights Act over the last twenty years.
- Yes he IS wrong, what the fuck???
  The brooks brothers riots had nothing to do with mail in voting, neither did any of the other examples you gave. If you’re going to say he’s right you need to qualify that since he specifically stated postal voting as the medium for rigging.
- Right so why doesn't he provide proof then? He's absolutely motivated to provide it if he has it so the fact that he doesn't have it basically proves he just making stuff up.

"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it,"

Problem - That's not the way vote by mail works.

You register to vote and place a signature on file.
You get your ballot in the mail and vote.
You put the ballot in the mailing envelope and sign the back of the envelope.
When the ballot is returned, they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on file, if it matches, the ballot is set aside for counting.
If there's a PROBLEM:

A) Missing signature
B) Signature doesn't match
C) Ballot damaged or unreadable
D) Ballot already recorded as present

The ballot gets returned to the voter for correction, assuming there's enough time for it to be corrected.

What Putin describes wouldn't work, because the fake ballots either wouldn't have a signature, wouldn't have a valid signature, or wouldn't correspond to a registered voter.

Won't matter, he is speaking directly to MAGAs, and they already believe that this is the truth
- You know how the Nigerian prince scams intentionally use terrible English to filter out the stupid ones?
  Half the people you come across are below average. Technology has made it exceptionally effective to target the dumb and vulnerable.
Plus no one is allowed to supervise your ballot entries.
- The supervision is the signature comparison, just like in person voting where you'd go in, sign the register, and they'd compare that signature to the one on file.
Bingo! Thank you for taking the time to write that up.
Just like Trump lies, Putin requires that there be no evidence to support his claims. Imagine if Trump actually tried to prove his claims with evidence... it would fail. Even if one ended up true that would be worse as then people would expect him to prove things with evidence in the future.
I fail to see why it would not work though? Instead of paying 10$ for an empty ballot from a registered voter you pay 10$ for an empty ballot from a registered voter and and their signed envelope?
Like I am not saying this happened, because 10$ ballot sales would probably have made the news around the election, I doubt 10$ buys silence. But like I fail to see how this is impossible?
- You can't get that done in enough bulk to sway the election without getting caught.
A lie spreads worldwide before the truth contradicting it can be typed, unfortunately.

So weird that Trump and Putin have the exact same opinions. Do you think Trump is controlling Putin?

I wish.

President for life speaks about elections being a bad thing.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/505807-vladimir-putin-becomes-russias-president-for-life/

Putin dying will be a holiday.

I mean he should know since he was one of the people paying to influence the election.

Say it with me kids, Projection.

phew I thought Russian elections were rigged too, glad to hear that is not the case, what a real relief

"by me lelelelelelelel" - Putin prolly

And he wouldn't lie would he. Internationally known as being a reasonable person that he is.

God, what a stupid article, why the hell was this even reported? Oh never mind it's Yahoo news, that's why

Rhetoric of this sort just promotes distrust in election systems, which of course prompts demagogues like Trump to promise voters they can fix it if they gain power. The fun thing here is that the right here needs you to believe things that aren't true in order to justify them doing a coup, the stupid thing is that stupid people take this kind of talk seriously.

But seriously, American voting is relatively secure- it's just that where lawmakers don't want voters deciding the 'wrong' way they've gerrymandered them into districts to prevent them doing it, and they've done things to strip voters of their voting rights and to suppress voting and to make it inconvenient or difficult to vote. This has been a bipartisan thing in the past, but today the GOP are the chief offenders.

Also, Putin's Russia is in the stage of democracy where elections are an exercise in flaunting the death of democracy itself, and nobody should ever take his talk about elections as being in good faith, ever

There's plenty of injustice in our voting system but it's all out in the open. Seriously, why go through the tremendous amount of risk and effort needed to fake votes when there are plenty of ways to sway the election in broad daylight?

Always has been.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Of course, if it was a popular vote, the parties would apply entirely different strategies in elections, so we cannot be sure what would've happened in the past if popular vote mattered.

Inequitable is different than rigged.
- Ok, fair enough.
- Okay, but when you factor gerrymandering of districts into the concept of the EC, now you have a rigged election.
- I will grant that it is different. But is it meaningfully different? Either way, the people are not represented.
I never really understood this. Why do an election when the electoral college decides who the winner is?
I'm not a US American.
- The electoral college complicates things by having each state be its own separate popular vote.
  Two states, Nebraska and Maine, will split their electoral votes based on their popular vote. But the rest of the states just give all their electoral votes to their popular vote winner.
  The core issue is that a presidential candidate can win 50.1% of the vote in a state and will receive all electoral votes as if 100% of the state voted for him.
  A secondary issue is that electoral votes aren't equal. Each state has a minimum of three electoral votes. This creates a situation where Wyoming, a state who's population is smaller than our capital Washington D.C., has more voting power per person per electoral vote than California; the most populous state.
- The original thinking was the electoral college could stop any truly disastrous votes. But we've seen how that goes! Now we're stuck with it because it helps one party and would require a constitutional amendment to abolish, and too few people in power are interested in doing what's right for the country - they're interested in doing what's right for their party.
  (For another example of the "party first" mentality that has taken over: Washington, DC residents have no vote in Congress. This seems like an obvious thing to fix, give them a two members of the House and two Senators....but whoa, we can't do that, it would change the balance of power in Congress! Seriously. That's why DC residents have no real voice in Congress. For clarity, their votes do count for the Presidential election.)
- Why do an election when the electoral college decides who the winner is?
  The voters decide what the electoral college chooses, though. I suppose it has been a sort of buffer against the dumbfuck citizens making dumbfuck choices. Donald Trump's presidency of course has shown that if any such buffer ever existed, it sure doesn't now.
- It all goes back to slavery. The South has lower population and wouldn't sign the constitution unless they had a handicap to ensure they were able to keep owning people. As more states entered the country the slavers got worried about the likelihood of slavery being made illegal. Look up Bleeding Kansas for more info.
- Originally the electors were actually meant to deliberate. It was supposed to be a no party system.
  In practice the electors have never demonstrated any independence from the political power that sent them there.
  Then you have states having to figure out how they select those electors, under the eyes of voters. Back then the representative to voter ratio was a lot smaller so losing your seat was a lot easier. So they did the politically reasonable thing and made the electors an elected position.
  It wasn't long before that transformed into candidates selecting their electors, and people just selecting the candidate on the ballot.
  So electoral college remains now as a compromise between large population states and small population states. And the backup. Which is supposed to be Congress voting by state, is similarly population balanced because they get one vote per state in that instance.
  This all made a lot of sense in a semi-decentralized country that wasn't supposed to have parties. Unfortunately parties formed literally right away. Also, since the Civil War we've been a lot more centralized. But we're stuck with old voting systems because if we held a Constitutional Convention to update it then the Republicans would do stupid shit.
if it was a popular vote, the parties would apply entirely different strategies in elections,
Sure. Strategies would change to appeal to popular opinion rather than focusing forever on maximizing campaign contributions.
- And speeches along the campaign trail would focus on broadly important topics instead of being individually tailored to the concerns of a few key districts that can swing entire states

Protecting bitch, Putin rigs Russian elections and tried to rig ours again but failed. Fuck him

Cool story.

Why is it so hard for people to judge credibility? It's just (1) listen to a statement, (2) ask if what a person is saying directly benefits them and (3) if it does, require evidence to believe it.

We know this is not credible because by saying it, Putin diverts attention from his own corrupt election and normalizes election fraud. So did he provide evidence? No. So it should be ignored.

Can't we all just... Do that?

“Nooo, you don’t understand. I agree with what he says, so I don’t need evidence”
MAGA idiots
it’s 2024, credibility has been defenestrated

Who cares what that failed czar pussy says kek

Once again proving the old adage that every accusation from the fascists is a confession, in Russia too.

I love the logic pivot on people who in the 90s thought russia was just straight up evil are now looking at them as the bastion of conservative ideals...

Go move to Russia boys, oh you don't want to? Why not they apparently have it all figured out.

Even the one that trump won?

Especially the one Trump 'won'.
Rigged primarily by the electoral college by making some people's votes worth more than others.

Because he has the receipt 😂

Hey Putin, we're all saving up for the gigantic party we're gonna throw when you blow your (meager collection of) irradiated brains out all over your disheveled office.

Also the table you use for meetings is SMALL!

Source: Trust me bro Trump.

I mean

The Bush family rigged W's election against AI Gore. Why did that get swept under the rug?

If by rigged you mean they stole it in broad daylight and got SCOTUS to aid in that then yeah. We haven't forgotten.

This post is disinformation

He didn't say that?
How so?
It lies on you to verify your claim is factual

Interesting.

Seems like they're going to be shooting for an off election cycle coup, since their last one failed and its not quite time for the next window of opportunity.

The supreme court taking up Trumps case the most significant case in the history of the United States. It will decide if our constitution has any real meaning (in some ways, it determines the tests the very legitimacy of constitutionalism as a system). The language of the constitution, and the interpretation of this amendment is very cut and dry. No one can reasonably argue it wasn't designed, and intended to prevent Trump or Trump-like candidates. It was an insurrection against the United States of America. He not only partook in it, he led it, supported it.

So this may be a signal that Putin thinks the Supreme Court will rule against Trump. Go ahead and start seeding the doubt around the next election cycle now.

It may also be a sign for something far more nefarious, that perhaps rather than allowing a ruling to happen, Trump goes for a coup-in-name-only, makes the claim that the election was stolen, and that he is 'President-in-Abstentia' sitting in Moscow. Then gets his lackies to make road blocks across the country, idk.

He should know.

Well, if anyone knows about rigging elections, Putin certainly qualifies!

$10 a ballot sounds steep. I wonder if they offered a Costco sized box for cheaper? Maybe people should look for ballots off a knock-off site.

I saw an empty slot at my Costco where the Kirkland ballots were supposed to be

I had to double take to make sure it wasn't Jokes and Humor but actually World News

Putin’s the type of dude who would steal your wallet and then help you look for it

oops! he forgot to activate the Trump puppet first, lol

He would know. He was the one providing the outside interference

“I should know, I did it.” -Pooteen

Rigged by him

Well...he would know

Seeing Putin Gaddafi'd is on my bucket list.

He's right you know. He's just not saying it's the Republicans who are benefitting.

Supreme Court nominations, Republicans benefit. Voter suppression/intimidation, Republicans benefit.
Recounting elections (Gore vs Bush), Republicans benefit.
Tossing votes before they get counted, Republicans benefit.

Articles like this just prove that this country isn't really paying attention anymore. Everybody has mentally checked out. And I don't blame them, this is exhausting. But it's all to the Republicans benefit.

What are you gonna do anyway huh ? Take over the capit- wait

Shit stirring.

Well, duh, the boss and subordinate have to be championing the same strategy, anything else is just bad business.

Of course I know him. He's me!

Like Putin doesn't rig his elections in his favor? Lol

So, Putin and Trump are on the same page...? Color me surprised.

$10? I got mine for $5. And I’m not even American. /s

And these stupid americans would pay for something that is completely free with our revolutionary Distant Electoral Voting system based on a blockchain technology!

You don't need rigged elections if you have secret services with mindcontrol technology, the political actors will just be good looking marionettes at the end of the day, the perfect fascist wet dream comes to reality..

5 dollars?! Get outta here...