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...till the eventual next invasion against which Ukraine will have no ability to defend itself from because of the concessions.

Fact: Russia is not making advances every day.

Fact: Ukraine has not received extraordinary support. It has received old US weapons headed for the dumpsters and even these reluctantly. It has received less artillery ammo than Russia got from North Korea.

Fact: this level of support is easy to maintain and increase as US has sold far more weapons in this time to various countries, than has donated to Ukraine.

Ukraine has stopped the worlds second army and made them deplete All weapons they had.

I don't get it. Putin wants the land, their neutrality, to stop any weapon sales, for them not to join any alliance. And what does Ukraine get, besides eventual second invasion?

You have incredible but completely missed confidence in Russian military and Russia on general.

Did you expect Afganistan to win over the US?

Yes Ukraine can win, without a doubt. It stopped Russian offensive, it continues to destroy Russian fossil fuel industry. The effort Russia extends right now to support their economy and military is not sustainable. If the west continues to support there is no doubt Ukraine will win. Without the support, is hard to say, but there is no doubt that continuing to fight will have a better result than to surrender right now.

That Ukraine can't win is not a serious statement. Any country can win any war. That is clear from the human history. It's never only about size or strength. Only in recent history we can see that a poor country of Afghanistan, beat both the Soviet Union (and helped bring it's collapse) and the US.

By conceding everything to Russia, they will be entirely invaded within a few years. The concessions are directly made for that. People in the Russian government have stated that goal, their opinion leaders have stated that goal, Putin has started that goal, maybe not in those words, but more or less. The concessions are made for that, to keep a country weak, for an invasion. There is no other reason to have concessions like that.

Ukraine has no other option than to continue fighting. If they get no serious security guarantees, guarantees better than the Bucharest memorandum, they can not stop fighting and resisting as that would mean they will surely lose everything.

You are free to correct my interpretation.

Read it again, that's not what the survey says. The 23% want the support to stay at the current level.

So you think if someone attacks you, then says that they will only stop if you give them everything they want, plus stop resisting and not call anyone for help, that you are safe.

That's insane. Nobody in their right mind would accept that.

Only 30% want to reduce help. Reduce, not even stop. Only 30%.

You are a master of missing the point! I salute you!

That is 100% the total destruction of Ukraine, because the only reason for wanting your adversary to give up weapons and give up alliances and pretty much give up sovereignty is to finish them at a later time. There is no other reason. Ukraine has reason to stop fighting without any safety guarantees.

You hate ai or not, maybe you just found one more excuse to be an asshole online, don't know, don't care, bye.

Check your numbers again. They show that the majority want to either help the same or help more.

Well very obviously no. Russia is offering nothing. Very specifically no guarantees, they want to prevent them getting weapons and prevent them going into any military alliances. That's total destruction of Ukraine.

And that is something that their opinion leaders have always claimed is the goal.

Ukraine has no other option than to fight, even if every nation in the world stops helping.

You are insulting a person, because they said ai helps them.

Your links show hardly any change.

America is kneeling. That's what people see.

In this case total destruction happens even if you concede. That's why there is no sense in conceding.

Your comment is on capitalism, not scaling ai or ai being used with effect.