Completely untrue nowadays...
They work better in Linux than Windows, not to mention backwards compatibility.
EDIT: I may be wrong about newest printer models, 2020 and above.
EDIT2: Hardware problems are an entirely different issue.
Huh? Linux and printers are the best
This wasn't true *not so long ago.
*Depends on your definition of long 🤷.
My hp printer has worked perfectly and reliably with CUPS for years now. Just turn it on and print, works every time.
Open source print drivers, baby! I still hate CUPS though.
Why the CUPS hate?
Seriously, one of the best ways to fix printer issues with windows. Is to buy a cheap raspberry pi zero or similar. And stick it in between as a print server. It solves so many random issues for both bad printer, firmwears and fucky windows behaviors
CUPS is absolutely amazing compared to windows printer drivers which had whole ass critical CVEs several times already.
Even Apple uses CUPS
It’s no surprise Apple uses CUPS. They wrote it, after all.
Edit: TIL Apple didn’t write CUPS themselves but they bought the company that did it pretty early in the game. Here’s a LWN article from the time, exposing some of the worries that came with the news of the acquisition: https://lwn.net/Articles/242020/
CUPS is horrible, and also had its share of critical vulnerabilities. It is just better than the LPD mess we had before.
It is not a Linux specific thing - it was developed when there still were a lot of UNIX variants around. Apple was a very early contributor, and had quite a bit of influence in making it successful.
With cups it's pretty much painless on linux form me, though some distros have a very restrictive firewall configuration out of the box, so you have to whitelist it before using. Not to complicated, but can be very frustrating for new users who never touched a firewall before.
ufw ring a bell 😒... yeah, being uncomplicated doesn't mean it's not working.
Printers are pretty plug'n'play these days, at least until something technical goes wrong. Getting exactly what you want on paper can be pretty tough, though. I wrote an entire printing stack from scratch for an embedded system, but that was for a very specific set of models from a single manufacturer. It actually worked every time, especially when there were errors and warnings, but it took actual effort.
Brother printer initialised in a couple of clicks in Arch, took 10 minutes to do it in Windows.
I have been installing Arch for the last 2 years, so windows 10 min duration is significantly faster
Then youre just bad try archinstall
Here's a better meme.
HP printers:
Like... why would it be 🤨... that's insane, how dare you ask a printer to print!
The printers are probably running Linux too.
Nope, *BSD... most of them.
I would only think them to work better on Linux because the software you're using isn't made by the printer company. Their software sucks. The hardware sucks, too. They're made to be shit because a perfect printer isn't profitable.
Since I've moved in South East Asia, I have discovered that:
The only reason we in developped country get scammed like we are, is because of IP laws and governments that allow manufacturers to abuse them with no consequences at the expense of the customers (and the planet).
Those edits really encapsulate the Lemmy experience LMAO
🤷 😂
Yeah I switched to LMDE a couple months ago and I plugged in my printer for the first time but long ago. I was worried it wouldn't work at first but it started printing right away!
I had to start the scanner tool from the command line, I felt like a hacker but it did usually work on Linux.
On linux i was able to setup my hp laserjet no problem, cups recognised it just fine; the problem is with the integrated scanner, SANE sees that there is some sort of scanner but fails to talk to it, i have windows 10 installed on a usb key essentially only to use the scanner
I stopped using paper and suddenly my printer problems went away
I've found Mac OS is by far the best OS for getting printers to work tbh
OSX and Linux both use the Common Unix Printing System. It works more or less the same on both systems.
shhhhhh.... they need to justify the price tag...
I learned that the CUPS config on Mac, at least as of about a year ago, was set to save a copy of everything ever printed to an obscure directory on the machine. Was discussed in relation to setting up a secure encryption scheme where you print out your keys, wouldn’t want something like that just hanging out for any malware to come gobble up.
It used zeroconf/bonjur out of the box when no one else used it (or had to do some serious configs in order to get it working), that's why. And, of course, since it's the second most used OS other than Windows, printer manufacturers configured avahi/zeroconf/bonjur out of the box on their printers.
No joke, printing is like the #1 thing I like most about switching from Windows to Linux. I still get errors about the bypass tray every time I try to print from Windows. I'M NOT USING THE BYPASS TRAY!
Ah, the famous bypass tray... I still have no idea why they made those...
My printer has to go through like 5 power cycles for it to even detect its ink cartridges. I guess thats what i get for taking the ewaste printer from the office
Has anyone had luck or experience with using IPP for printing from Linux? A standard networking protocol for printing sounds like it should make a lot of these problems mute.
Yep, works OK on one of my setups at work.
Hardware problems are an entirely different issue.
Literally the biggest issue
called "quirks".
To be honest, yes 🤷.
Printers suck so bad that are responsible of starting free software (well part of it). Thanks printers for sucking bad.
Context:
I got an amazing old HP office laser jet, a 1320n. Would Linux be able to print from it relatively easily? I had to work pretty hard to get it on W10.
I have a pair of LaserJet 2200dn printers, they work absolutely fine in any Linux distro but I just have to make sure to use the below driver in my case:
HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/lj4dith (grayscale, 2-sided printing)
If I use the default or hpcups drivers it takes fucking forever (over an hour!) to process the pages. Essentially if given the option go for the lj4dith driver for your LaserJet
You can always try a Mint LiveUSB
Just don't buy HP/Epson/Canon.
Buy a Brother Laserprinter, and never worry again for the rest of your life.
Trouble is, no parts for Brother over here 😔. HP has the market here and parts for them are dirt cheap.
Sure, I can order from AliExpress, but it'll take months to arrive.
On Pop my networked printers were just there without me needing to do anything.
That was the last thing that kept me dual booting. Eventually, I realized that my printer wasn't worth using on any OS so I wasn't losing anything by going all-in.
WTF? Is this about using inkjets on WiFi?
I swear my 3d printer is more reliable than my paper printer.
At least if my 3d printer breaks I can fix it.
I am wondering why there is no open framework for laser printing.
There are a few parts that would have to be made out of sheet metal. The sides could be stamped for the same pattern. You then need a back and a cross section. One could theoretically make them from ABS, but ABS gets brittle with heat and the sides will shatter.
One side of the printer is dedicated to running an ARM SOC. I'm not sure if the Arduino is up to the task, but it will need to control 3 motors, initiate a heating sequence, start a rasterizing laser, interpret a print job, communicate over network and USB, and monitor a bunch of sensors.
The hardest parts will be obtaining print cartridges, rollers, and fusers. Designing a standard to run off a certain vendor's hardware will be a pile of issues, and nobody will just start manufacturing hardware for a handful of hobbyist printers.
Everything else is 3d printing, springs, and screws.
I too own an HP
Let's go back to stone tablets. Only instead of stone, it's plastic and resin.
"Here's my report." Slaps what appears to be 100 fast food trays down on the desk
My cheap old 3D printer requires constant fiddling before and after every print, yet still fails probably half the time. I avoid printing things sometimes just because I don't want to deal with it.
I would still agree with you 100%. I hate my HP printer so much.