Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day workweek
Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day workweek | TechCrunch
A.I. aside, we should get 4 day work weeks regardless.
employees in some sectors could easily make do with a 3 day workweek, 4 hours per day, no payment reduction. all the rest is just surplus value being generated. however we know that the capitalists will never allow that, and that's the reason we need to, while pushing for work week reductions, agitate the working class today in order to build the revolution of tomorrow.
Meanwhile my job as a phone jockey went from 500 employees to no hiring for 4 years to now 212 employees and calls are back to back with no hope of new job openings... also makes seniority rough as everyone is a veteran at this point.
and if extruded proof of work was meaningful work, something interesting would have happened by now
if their little genies were real there'd be a good novel by now
they’ll all just convince us we need to purchase more, thereby lowering “productivity”
In fact, forget the AI
Yea more like if CEOs want their company to be more successful pay people overtime to work five days a week.
But who's going to make my fart and Trump dancing with Musk videos!??
You think people are making them during their work time? More free time means more people can make those.
You mean Head Fart Tuner at Turbodong2000 is not a real job?
All the productivity gains in the past have helped us reduced the work load so much, there's no reason AI shouldn't...
Wait, that never happened, only people forcefully getting reductions in work time have ever gotten results.
Also it's still not clear whether AI makes any sense or not. Yes, I know it is useful to some, but once you consider all the externalities (which nobody ever does, because "not my problem"), it might not be such a great deal.
Bernie the sheepdog says a lot. Ask him to say GENOCIDE
True, and he refuses to call it genocide, even when pressured.
Not a speech from him without the obligatory 'Hamas bad' and 'Pissrahell has the right to defend itself'.
Voted against a ceasefire, etc...
Has been a snake since forever yet the libs can't seem to notice.
And they call the Magats dumb.
Really that banana republic is a lost cause. Time for it to go.
Been having a 4 day workweek for a decade now, can heavily recommend it. (Work 4x9 hours, every Wednesday of)
20 hour work week.
Corporate will do anything but. Part time pay, no full time benefits, no pay raise, and now you need a second job.
I think the plan is to lay us off altogether.
And support their lives through robust social programs, right?
To save the working man you've got to put him out to pasture.
Soup is Good Food - Dead Kennedys
Thw American workers productivity has gone astronomically high without AI. We should have 4 day week yes but we need the money from all this productivity first.
We as a species could have arranged any kind of leisure society when we started using fossil fuels. The energy bonanza that allowed us to reach 8 billion people with chemically-boosted and machine-harvested food allows it.
Of course, this means a flattening of the lifestyle, no more McMansions but also no more squalor.
We are already more productive than any other time in history and we don't have a 4 day work week.
If we did get a 4 day work week, the owners would not scale our pay to accommodate for less hours on the job. 15/hr over 50 hours would turn into 15/hr over 40 hours, not 18.75/hr over 40 hours.
Suppose that, at a given moment, a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins as before. But the world does not need twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world, everybody concerned in the manufacture of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way, it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more insane be imagined?
--Bertrand Russell, In Praise of Idleness
i feel like capital vol 1 should be read by everyone.
my favorite part of this comment is framing 50 hours like a standard work week
A 4 day work week wouldn’t change anything for people working an hourly wage.
This is talking about redefining ‘full-time’ at a legislative level from being 36 hours to something less.
So would this not be worse for, for example, people on partial disability benefits who are allowed to retain benefits while working part time but not full time employment?
If nothing changes for them but they are now registered as full time employees, they lose their benefits for nothing in return. Who would this help?
Not what is happening in Spain, nor would it make any sense to mandate that… And you work 50 hours a week?
I'm not saying that the law would require all wages to stay the same, I'm saying that without the law specifically stating that wages MUST raise to accommodate, they will stay the same, resulting in overall less payment. We can't even get a federal minimum wage increase, certainly not a full wage increase tied to an hours reduction.
Yes, why? The example would still ring true with a reduction from 40 to 32 hours.
I recall one of the ways to enforce a 4 day workweek was to enforce OT starting at 32 hours.
You could keep working 40+ hrs a week but it would hit the owners wallets.
Combine that with raising minimum wage and you're getting closer to UBI.
Neither one would help me I think being salary and around medium working class.
They don't even enforce OT over 40 for salaried positions.
That's my point...
That'll just make employers hire more employees with less hours.
Which is a good thing isn't it? Less overworked people and less unemployment
The offset is ypu need to pay for overhead like benefits/HR/payroll/licenses/training for more employees. So there's a breakeven somewhere in there.
If anything it's more jobs.
Bernie always has terrible solutions to his valid criticisms of oligarchism. It should be illegal to work 5 days? Or more hours no matter the pay?
UBI is only empowering of people solution to US empire/oligarchism. Work as much as you want, with the power to say fuck you if conditions are not good enough for you. Cheer on AI/Robot productivity gains as it increases your UBI.
He doesn't get it at all. AI making people more productive means they can work more and you don't have to pay them as much.
Sincerely, billionaires
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Improved efficiencies should mean we all benefit across all sectors and ways of life.
But improved efficiencies actually mean none of us benefit except those at the top. We should all of us be paid more, have more time off, and have more excess - but at a high level we are all paid no extra, we get no extra time off, we get no excess - that all gets enjoyed by those at the top.
This is one of many reasons this should be a class war, not a culture war.
Sounds like what unions are for.
My local union is working six 10 hour days and then bragging how well they are taken care of. That's not out of the norm either.
I don't disagree. Few people are better positioned to help make that a reality, however.
Based Bernie
Keynes: work hours will diminish as production scale up
Bitcoiner: mining will be environmental friendly as we transition to green.
Bernie SSander: AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day workweek
If I had to guess, the approach by corporate would be (if forced to give a 4 day work week) to drop hours to just below what is required for benefits. So, they would only agree if it meant they could get out of paying for healthcare and whatnot while at the same time having more authority for non compete agreements. I would absolutely trust whatever plan Bernie comes up with but I think there are very few additional politicians that have our best interests at heart.
If the government would skim a little off the top of its absurd military budget, corporate would have no hold over the healthcare aspect. Their heads would explode if that ever came to fruition. It won’t, but the US government never fully prioritizes the best interest for its citizens.
In a first world country they would have to say, nor choice over the will of the people…
The replacement of human workers begins with bipartisan support.
Just like the industrial revolution and introduction of computers, right?
As a non American can I say, does bernie ever actually propose plans or ideas or does he just go around shitting on bad ones?
Edit: why am I getting downvoted as an outside observer asking a question. It’s concerning that Americans have this NEED to be part of a cult. The right has Trump and many on the left have Bernie. If you dare to question Bernie even a little, or simply ask an unbiased question, and you get piled on.
He says a lot and want some progressive social stuff but his main function is sheepdog to keep the left in the horriblyright democratic party.
He tows the Uniparty imperialist warmongering line every time and only proposes good bills or votes for them when it's absolutely certain they wont pass anyway.
He's a snake, and so is his astroturfed "waitress" successor AOC by the way.
Now Bernie is past his date and more people finally get what he does.
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why am I getting downvoted as an outside observer asking a question.
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bernie is the best ever bernie 2028
There's still too much work to be done.
How early do you guys think we were with the introduction of AI? I’d guess 5 years, at least.
that’s nice marketing for bernie but we all know that won’t happen. not without the kind of revolutionary action that inspired our 8 hour working day, and the original “labor day.”