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ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges

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ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges

www.usatoday.com /story/news/nation/2025/05/18/ice-tactic-deport-before-court-immigration/83515061007/

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At what point does the calculus work out that violently resisting "arrest" becomes the best option for one's own health and safety?
To clearly respect instance rules: I am not advocating for any such behavior but merely raising the concern that a lack of justice may lead people to fight in self defense. If you knew for a fact you'd never see your family again, I think many would fight even in the face of certain death. This is incredibly dangerous for everyone involved. People have and will continue to die.
- you either die quickly from a gunshot, and take some nazi's out with you; or you get shipped to el salvador and die a slow death of disease and malnutrition, forgotten forever.
  
  This is precisely the problem. Justice is the compromise that preserves peace and prevents violence. If you don't believe your innocent ass will get a fair trial, and you don't believe you'll be treated to dignity, what incentive do you have not to shoot them?
  At least then you die quickly and for what mattered most to you in this world. An honorable death.
  The alternative to justice is unacceptable and extremely dangerous.
- Do we not have a 2nd amendment against tyrannical govt? No? I feel like the sycophants will give up their guns at this point. Thank you sir may I have another.
  
  I strongly urge anyone who can to learn how to safely own and operate a firearm for their own personal protection.
  
  Yes and no.
  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
  If you are overthrowing the government then the regulated part makes no sense. The second amendment is for defending the country, not overthrowing a tyrant that was legally elected.
  That's the canon side. The dogma side is very different, but irrelevant. All the liberty minded ammosexuals support the tyrant so they won't do a thing against them. Spent my whole life hearing how they were going to protect us from the camps. Now they are volunteering to build the camps. They said martial law was going to take their rights away. Now they are totally fine with no due process or habeas corpus.
- "may lead people to fight in self defense." - That's what they're (the administration and police forces) hoping for: "proof" that substantiates the action they are undertaking, which they can then turn around and escalate even more.
  
  If you treat people like desperate animals, they will behave like desperate animals.
  We are but a gnat's ass away from extermination of anyone deemed undesirable. Absolutely disgusting.
  
  I mean, it's win-win for the assholes.
  People don't fight back: they get deported. Win for nazis
  People fight back: Nazis use it as justification for further escalation
  At least defending yourself / the victims has a chance of saving them. Doing nothing won't
  
  I'd like to see the government that failed in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq try to take out a real insurgency on the home front. Every garbage bag an IED, every car a bomb.
- The New Hampshire State Constitution explicitly tries to warn against overpunishment like this. It's a lot of words but read it man this is good and I wish like hell it applied at the Federal level
  [Art.] 18. [Penalties to be Proportioned to Offenses; True Design of Punishment.] All penalties ought to be proportioned to the nature of the offense. No wise Legislature will affix the same punishment to the crimes of theft, forgery, and the like, which they do to those of murder and treason. Where the same undistinguishing severity is exerted against all offenses, the people are led to forget the real distinction in the crimes themselves, and to commit the most flagrant with as little compunction as they do the lightest offenses. For the same reason a multitude of sanguinary laws is both impolitic and unjust. The true design of all punishments being to reform, not to exterminate mankind.
  https://www.nh.gov/glance/bill-of-rights.htm
- I'm not "at risk" yet, and I'm at the point where I'll stop and record police actions if I have the ability. It can't be allowed to go any farther
- I mean the problem is the people getting deported don't have access to guns. They most likely can't get them legally since they're not citizens and even if they could get them they probably don't have the money to afford one.
  
  Not necessarily. We’ve been “deporting” citizens as well.
  But yes of course they prefer to target the vulnerable first. That’s how bullies work.
- I think many would fight even in the face of certain death.
  I think you're wildly underestimating the power of apathy and conformism.
  I hope you're right, but I don't believe you are.
If ICE comes for you the best course of action is to run.
If you can't run try to kill the ones who are blocking you and then run, try to avoid major border crossings or airports where you will be identified.
We do not have a system of justice anymore
Blatant and intentional violation of due process, this removes any expectation people have for a fair trial.
At its core, the Trump administration is tearing up the social contract that has existed since the founding of the USA and which is core to the Constitution: the state has legitimacy over the individual, and the individuals consent to this control given their rights are upheld and the state treats them with respect and in accordance with the law.
Tear up that social contract and the outcomes will be that people no longer consent to that control and the government loses legitimacy, people will fight back to protect themselves. Disproportionate violence will be the likely first response to anyone fighting back against unlawful authorities going by their prior record. It's quite possibly what they are hoping for as it feeds their right wing accelerationist goals.
- Can't enact disproportionate violence if at least half the military mutinies. And that's no longer the impossibility it used to be.
Sounds like if the courts want to keep running, they're going to need to allow people who are in danger to attend via video.
wernt they doing that before.
Thst's a good way to get your charter revoked, ICE (is jerks)

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