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Putin to conscript 160,000 more Russians for war with Ukraine

www.politico.eu /article/vladimir-putin-ordered-conscript-160000-more-russians-army-spring/

Summary

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.

Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.

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- Nah I'm too trans to be let in even as a conscript. They would rather just kill me domestically 🎉
  
  Nah, they'll just stick you right on the front line to catch bullets.
- Isn't conscription already a thing in USA? Many countries silently paused conscription but it's just there
  
  Not since the 70's
- The religious nutters will form a White Christian unit copying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, march with the goose step and all of the sick fucks will have Jerusalem Cross tattoos.
  Conscription will start after the US economy completely swirls down the shitter leaving all sorts of skid marks.
- Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller has said that he wants to reduce the population of America from 335 million to 100 million people. An incompetently managed war that is wasteful of human lives is a perfect way to accomplish much of his objective.
- That’s why they made abortion illegal.
- This is America's future. Conscription is in Project 2025
  Americans could still prevent that future if a few million of them got off their asses and took action against the fascist takeover of their country.
  But that would get in the way of watching American idol, and HoneyBooBoo reruns, wouldn't it...
- According to this article, project 2025 doesn't do that. It proposes requiring students to take the military ASVAB test. Which honestly isn't the worst idea. In my high school they recommended people who didn't know what they wanted to do for a career to take it even if they weren't going into the military.
  
  Doesn't that just make it easier for the US to conscript people?
  
  Huh... They made all of us take it. But I went to school in a rural red state in the mid 90s.
- Lol have you seen kids these days? I'd be surprised if more than 15 percent are fit for service, and of that 15% maybe half would pass a drug screen.
  
  Kids in the 1960s were the same, and the USA still sent them off to get killed, maimed, and traumatized for the rest of their lives.
  
  They won't care, they're just cannon fodder.
  Remember, over the next decade, many jobs are going to be replaced by AI and robotics. All the technology exists to convert every fast food outlet to be fully automated. Imagine how many young, unskilled people will be unemployed when the fast food companies shift from humans to robots.
  With all the coming automation, we could see a permanent unemployment rate of 30%, or even more. We will be faced with two solutions: Universal Basic Income (which will be very unpopular with the Sociopathic Oligarchs and MAGA), or reduce the population by the amount of the unemployment rate.
  An incompetently managed war, with an unforgiving draft (unless you are a rich nepo-baby), is a perfect way to accomplish that.
Where's Trump and his "young, brave men"? You know, that speech. The one aimed at Zelensky stating he should just stop the war and stop being desperate by conscripting more people for the defense effort?
Eh, must have left it in the same place he left the "Zelensky is a dictator" comment after he was asked if Putin was also a dictator.
- I mean, it's a fucking pointless, blood drenched meat grinder on both fronts. Like some kind of WW1 reenactment with the safeties turned off.
  You don't need to be a fan of either side to want this nightmare to end. But since the people in charge have no real skin in the game (because they're sociopaths who are more than happy to see these populations sacrificed to their vainglory) the killing simply will not end.
  
  If that simplistic and dismissive view is your take on the whole Ukraine defending their sovereignty against a foreign invader...
  Then Doktor Jidanbo prescribes you with less Fox News consumption - as 9/10 dentists say it clouds judgement.
  Stopping the 'meat grinder' is actually very simple. All that needs to happen is for Russia to stop attacking Ukraine and leave Ukrainian soil. All Russia needs to do is wanting to actually end it, which is the part all the greedy vultures wanting to carve up Ukraine conveniently leave out.
  I rather die a proud fighter who fought my oppressors than live in misery while they gleefully take what's mine, and my loved ones. Capitulating to bullies only leads to more bloodshed. Standing up to them and making them regret their barbaric ways is how you actually stop them.
  Take that any way you want, as that's all I'm gonna say.
  
  Ukraine is fighting an existential defensive war to save their country. Their soldiers fight to defend their loved ones and families.
  
  So me invading your home with a weapon and threatening to kill your family, you would just let it happen? You don't feel even a slight inkling to defend your families lives?
  Do they know that about you?
Politicians never fight their wars. Conscription is slavery.
- Oh hey this is a shift for you. Maybe you're all about Russian military aggression until you find out that you might need to actually get your hands dirty?
Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.
- or Russia's Afghanistan
  
  Afghanistan is Russia’s Afghanistan.
  
  Afghanistan is everyone’s Afghanistan 😂
- Ukraine is about nearly 10x Vietnam at this point.
  Hell, Russia experienced a Vietnam level of loss in about 2 months during the Avdiivka offensive.
- Ukraine is Russia’s Mongol Invasion of Japan.
How many will be oligarchs sons?
- BYOB - System of a Down
  
  My first thought was CCR - Fortunate son
- Or even any from large cities?
Rest in peace you poor bastards. Forced to fight a rich mans war... for nothing.
- Yep so many will due horribly because of their awful dictator
Russia isn't going to have any young men left.
- Might finally play against some non russian cs2 mic spammers
- That’s a problem because?
- Take a look around, it would seem they have plenty in America to draw from.
Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.
- Also they would take heavy casualties. Use them as pure cannon fodder.
- From what I've seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.
- I can hear this image.
  Conscript reporting.
more fertilizer for the ukrainian soil
The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
- Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
  
  The amount of Russians leaving the country to avoid conscription was very high. You can't really hide that. There are stories of men being kept hidden to avoid the press gangs. But all of that is probably par for the course considering the amount of soldiers dying on foreign soil.
  
  This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
  
  There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first "partial" mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.
- The Kremlin is confident that they will kill as many protesters as will be required to destroy any uprising.
- Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.
- The pushback was for the mobilisation, while this is a start of a routine conscription event, these happen twice every year
- effect of its* propaganda
I have a friend who insists he can defeat any animal in a fight as long as he has enough size advantage and lay on the animal and pin it down. He has apparently never seen a cat, much less a chimp.
- I fought my mom's mountain lion when I was in my early 20s. Had 20-30 pounds on that bitch. She hated men in hats for some reason no one ever figured out. Teased her a bit, looking her in the eye, on my knees on the living room floor, with a straw cowboy hat on.
  All I saw was a tawny blur, ended up on my back with my long hair coming out in hanks. The cat ended up with my hat. Along with more of my hair.
  I no longer have illusions against my chances vs. a possum.
  
  It's not that she didn't like men in hats, she just preferred Men Without Hats.
  
  your mom has a mountain lion?
  
  I think you could take an opossum. They generally forget they can bite while hissing. A puma on the other hand...
- This makes me think of my nephew who is convinced that a dog like a Cane Corso or Kangal can take on a bear 1v1.
  
  dog like a Cane Corso or Kangal can take on a bear 1v1.
  In Silverfang maybe, but not in real life.
Are they going to be equipped like the Russian soldiers in late WWII? One soldier gets a rifle, the other gets five bullets, and both get helmets the thickness of tin cans.
- Russian soldiers in late WW2 were typically very well equipped, as were most soldiers by that stage in the war (even German soldiers were pretty decently equipped late war, though mostly due to having almost no soldiers left to equip).
  Late summer 1941 and even at points during Stalingrad, sure there were definitely times when soviet soldiers were being thrown into battle massively underequipped, but this was the exception rather than the rule.
  By 1944 (even by 1943) the Red Army was more mechanised than the Wehrmacht and was better at Blitzkrieg than the Wehr ever were.
  
  Lend lease really helped with mechanization. The jeeps and trucks they had were indispensable for the war effort. We often talk about guns and bombs, but people don't realize how important transportation and heavy machinery is.
- That is ww1. Not world war 2. The whole 'wait for your comrade to die and take his weapons' did not happen during ww2. It did happen in ww1.
Oh, look. Russian "brain drain" heading to Russias southern borders.
- More like blood drain, their brains are probably in atrophy.
  
  Most of the brains already left for other countries
  
  Generational alcohol abuse will do that.
Die, you fuck.
I call bullshit on them being Russian.
- https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly6ve2x72xo.amp
  
  first amp link I've seen on lemmy, almost got cancer
  good article though, and somehow not surprising
- Where are they from then?
  
  Ethnic Russians from the Moscow area are not being conscripted at the same rates as minority groups from the poorer areas of Russia.
As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...
- Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians at home, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
  
  They still only have 20 percent of the country. After years. At this rate they will run out of people before Ukraine runs out of territory.
  
  You are right and coming out of that war footing when all the bill are due? Diaster
on the bright side the Russian meatgrinder companies should see increased sales
Hopefully this pisses Trump off. Take some of your threats Donny and lob them at Russia.
I wonder if Krasnov will keep barking or biting his master with those tariffs on Oil...
And it’s 1 2 3 what are we fighting for don't ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Zaporizhzhia
That’s a lot of meat for the grinder
- Unless someone steps in, Ukraine is gonna struggle to do this alone. They only have so many people and will naturally fall due to lack of man power, funding, and equip.
Conscripting babies.
So, approximately 90 days worth of casualties.
You see Ukranians have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit, and shut down.
Donald, show them the medal I won.
Let's just imagine what it would look like if Europe mobilized and armed 160,000 soldiers. The fact that it sees undoable for most tells us how badly situated we are...
- With Italy having 338 000 active military personnel, France 304 000 and Spain's 199 000, it really isn't that hard to imagine.
  
  Where did you get these numbers? I cannot find any sources to support them. Active personnel of mentioned countries is half to 2/3 of mentioned numbers. And this tells us nothing about these countries ability to produce new personnel.
  Also, that's all on paper. When UK and France discuss a 'coalition of the willing' to act as peace keepers in Ukraine they are able to scrape together no more than a few tens of thousands, even though it is believed that 100-200K is required to be a deterring force.
  We are talking about a force of several hundreds of thousands to be trained, armed and moved to a front to fight within a few months or at least within a year, in addition to already existing forces, a large part of which are unavailable to train new recruits because they are deployed.
- Isnotreal can barely hold their own against hezbollah and hamas. They cannot fight an actual country that doesn't have a postcolonial arranged military.
  
  Most people haven't seen friends die.
  And they didn't learn the lessons from their grandfather's experience.
  
  You think Israel would help the West fight Russia? I kinda doubt it. They don't seem the type to fight real wars, only massacre innocents they fanatically hate.
  
  I don't know that it is quite that bad, I think people will surprise you. Europeans stuck with Ukraine even though it costs and while some are turning their back they are a minority and they consider Ukraine none of the their business.
  I think when another NATO or EU country is affected Europeans will see it very differently. It is an existential threat then. Russia wants to paint Europe as decadent and lazy, but Europeans stand firm when it really matters. We've proven that with Ukraine.
  The bigger problem for Europe is to produce armed forces in the hundreds of thousands within the next few years. Making the hardware and training the soldiers in that small off a time will be difficult.
  As for Americans... I don't really know where we have them. I do think there is a non-negligible chance they will be in a civil war by the end of the decade or the start of the next.
- Europe has 450 million people. It will be easier for them than Russia with 146 million people. Stop spreading FUD.
Good. More russians in the meatgrinder equals weaker russia.
- And weaker Ukraine
  
  That's the only negative aspect about it
- And the propaganda you're trying to feed is straight from Russia with love through a "Russian filter".
  Ignoring the fact you're a troll: one of these countries was invaded, and is taking every measure possible to secure their continued existence. One of these countries invaded a sovereign nation, and is wasting citizen lives for no reason beyond an insane, expansionist dictator's whims.
  These are not the same, no matter how many times you try to spew the false equivalency.
- Propaganda fuck off.

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