For a group that considers .world to be Reddit 2.0 and a "CIA propaganda front" they seem to get awfully mad whenever it comes up
On our own instance no less lmao
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If just for the purpose of avoiding centralisation, I think we should make an effort to not have everything on .world.
But I agree, it’s my personal opinion that my instance should defederate from ML on grounds of genocide denial.
Of the people who say anything about it, there seems to be two mutually exclusive camps of people on Lemmy in regards to how it should be structured.
There's those who want it to be a drop-in replacement for whatever platform they migrated from (Reddit, ususally), with everything cultured in one simple, easy-to-browse place where there's enough activity to support diversity, just without the enshittification, even though the centralization they crave is exactly what invites the enshittification...
...and then there's those who specifically want the site to stay fragmented, because that's the whole point of federation, it keeps out all the riff raff, and prevents the platform from losing what makes it so great. But many of them complain about why it isn't growing as fast as they'd like it to, despite the fact that the fragmentation of community is by far the single greatest barrier preventing the mass adoption they yearn for.
Each one seems to want a piece of what the other has.
To be fair, if Lemmy's discoverability wasn't trash you could probably have both. I would love to have a bunch of small instances that were focused on individual topics, like Star Trek or anime or knitting or gardening or whatever and just jump between them. It feels like that's what federation was built for.
But because Lemmy is so small right now and discoverability is so bad it seems like almost every instance is either intentionally a tech / general purpose one or so adjacent it might as well be. As long as there's just one community for that thing that people can find that would be great, but instead there are like 10 spread around 3 different instances and 8 of them are dead and 1 just bot reposts the subreddit - and it's really hard to tell which is which. Like, if everything was actually on one instance at least you could just list everything.
It's almost like the saying "the grass is greener" is a reoccurring human phenomenon, lol.
I personally like the idea of many instances, but it would be great if there were a way of doing something about communities that are attempting to fill the same niche. For example, there are 3-4 small-mid sized photography communities with very similar rules and moderation styles. Maybe the mods could agree to form an alliance and somehow federate posts and comments across the community? If something goes sideways they could always break off the community level federation.
Individuals have the power to block instances so I don't really understand why people are pushing for defederation. Just feels like ruining the fun for everyone just because they aren't having fun and aren't using the resources they have to make it fun. Defederation should be a last resort, and people seem to want to use it for petty squabbles. I don't like .ml or hexbear cause they're both tankies, but I'll just block the instances myself. Don't get why we gotta remove the choice from everyone else. But hey, I'm on .dbzer0 so if .world wants to defederate from .ml it isn't gonna affect me any
obviously i wouldnt mind if lemmy grows, but I’m quite content with the current active user base.
If it worked like that, everyone would have defederated .world cca December 2023.
So did the United Nations Human Rights Council, two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/
I just added .ml post to my ban list on uBlock. And now my feed is a lot less controversial and hate mongering.
I would take you a little seriously if you weren’t a 13 minute old account with a single issue. (Especially since you yourself deny the Uyghur genocide).
But I agree, it’s problematic that people deny genocide no matter what instance it happens in. But only ML has admins that do it and condone it afaik.
Before joining Lemmy: "It really doesn't matter what instance you join, you'll be able to see content from all over."
After joining Lemmy: "So you've enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!"
Hey, guys. So, I haven't received any of my payouts from the CIA yet and I have pocket knives and stuff to buy, so... Is there like somebody in HR I can email about this or something?
You can just talk to Jerry. He's the guy in the grey sedan across your street. If you give him the code word, he'll give you the package.
And if not, you can reach Garry inside your walls. He'll file a complaint with the higher-ups.
Elgin air force base administrates most programs. You probably have to do basic training, but you may be able to work form home. Recruiters will promise that none of the fine print that enslaves you to mobile infantry role will ever be applied to you. After all, if we are successful in fighting humanity over here, we won't need you to fight it in Ukraine or Russia or China, and citizenship requires service.
It's all funny but I thought it weird how .world deleted most pro Luigi posts that first week.
The News community did because it promoted violence or whatever their reason was, but there were tons of pro Luigi posts and comments in the memes communities that I don't remember being deleted. It was not a .world wide thing.
You gotta sling them an email at: Shirlab@ucia.gov
They should be able to put you in touch with accounts.
Really only see weirdly online .world users making posts about it.
Lmao
There are over a trillion hectares of free real estate in those minds. Manifest destiny is back for .ml. Who new the market place of ideas could be so scary?
These instances wars really prove that people attack other people because of any difference they can find.
Sad!
.ml vs .world fights are always hilarious. And for that reason, they should stay federated.
I’m on lemmy.ml and most of the communities I interact with are on lemmy.world. Most people are normal about it.
I started on .ml and had the same experience.
The only reason I quit is because the 0.19 update finally made TOTP not suck ass, I decided to activate it on my account, I had a skill issue with my digital keyring that caused me to lose my secret, and my session cookie in my Lemmy app eventually expired. Didn't sign up with an email either so no account recovery was in the cards.
Generally, I don't think most people bother to read the instance suffixes on usernames at all unless the comment is somehow inflammatory. I sure don't.
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Sorry for being late to the party, but did you know that you can just block them? Hope this helps!
I mean.. it helps. I've seen less tankies after blocking .ml subs, but they're still there
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click "Settings".
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says "Blocks".
Here you will see "Block user" "Block community" and "Block instance". Click the down arrow below "Block instance".
This will open up a search bar. Type "lemmy.ml" and click it after it shows up.
That's it! You've blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don't need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren't done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under "Block user". Now type "UltraGiGaGigantic" Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
It's much more fun to remove their ability to troll entirely, though. It makes them squirm.
Same single .world user making all these posts.
Duly noted. Blocking this one along with the other serial whiners.
Nice Ad Hominem you got there.
Doesn't change a thing though.
So? It’s the same .ml users complaining.
I'm pretty happy to be off .world and exposed to the slightly wider 'verse. The MLs and Hexbears aren't all that bad. I've seen some absolute dogshit leftist takes from some of them, but I've seen plenty of dogshit "centrism" on .world too.
Ultimately, you just have to do some of your own blocking/moderating work, while trying to remember that only anarchists are always right and to be patient while everyone else catches up.
yeah .world has some weird vibes, I don't think it's exactly centrist but I don't like how the vocal ones there seem to have a superiority complex against ml, hexbear and lemmygrad.
I don't like many of the communities on these instances either but I don't think that .world users should be the ones to hold the power and cry to the wider fediverse when we don't do exactly what they do
the vocal ones there seem to have a superiority complex against ml, hexbear and lemmygrad.
Those vocal ones who tend to call 'genocide denial' and 'genocide apologia' have a track record of supporting Israel in Gaza or outright glorifying Imperial Japan and chinese warlords. They're well aware of the absurdity, which is the point of their drive to enter leftist spaces.
The same folk tend to enter lgbtq and trans spaces to gatekeep definitions there--where they also get banned and then complain about it.
Every comment I get from .ml is just weird and bad. I'm really at the point of blocking the whole instance.
The plural of anecdote is not data, but 90% of comments that I've seen defending russia in particular had been from .ml
One non hateful comment. Have a nice Weekend fella!
Though since everyone hates this instance I am thinking about moving to another.
There's a lot of good options!
I had to block them after trying not to. I originally thought, meh I'll see what they have to say. That lasted less than a year. They think the word rice is racist.
It worked wonders for me
It sounds frustrating. I’m sorry it has been that way.
You just know something really rattled OP and made them post this
I've seen more complaining about ml than the actual things they're complaining about. It's pointless infighting among an otherwise like minded community. Even hexbear doesn't deserve it.
Calm down. Have a hot chocolate and enjoy the season and masturbate thinking about linux to distract from societal collapse like the rest of us.
Is this a shitpost?
It's caused shit in the comments.
emotional damage
Text you can hear.
Wasn't there a post earlier about this exact thing lol. Can you lot make a community for whinging about something you have control over? That would be great for all.
What would ya'll do without each other though?
Well, federation temporarily broke between .world and .ml for a bit a couple months ago and it was actually pretty nice. It was a turning point for me I think, up till that point the .ml issue was somewhat passive. Then they were just gone for a few days and it was kinda nice lmao
Have time for less controversial posts? Maybe a bit more positive things?
Man all i did was just chose an instance...
Yeah unfortunately it is one of the flagship instances and also is run by a transphobe and a guy who thinks Stalin did nothing wrong who will ban you for any opinion slightly deviating from the hivemind he's created. Really sucks, because a lot of people don't know this until they already made their acct and by the time they learn about it the sunk cost fallacy takes over because they "don't want to lose their comments" by moving to a more neutral instance.
It's by design of course, either the new conscripts relent and join their ranks or just go along to get along, or they don't and they get banned while reinforcing .ml's victim complex they so desperately cling to.
Honestly, it’s kinda sad how much people care about what instances other people are on. Just because someone is on a certain instance that has some people who may have bad opinions and do certain things that aren’t right doesn’t mean everyone on that instance is to blame.
Secondly, you obviously don’t hate the instance that much considering how much content you re-upload from there, or are you just “getting your own back” because you think people on that instance shouldn’t be able to upload their content?
Thirdly, the fediverse was designed to have multiple instances with multiple communities, so trying to get other instances you specifically don’t like de-federated kinda goes against the point.
And finally, you dislike .ml and their devs that much that you use a different instance on the platform they made. So going back to point 2, you obviously don’t hate them that much because you use the platform they made and also re-upload content from that instance.
Why can’t people just enjoy the content Lemmy has to offer instead of moaning about the few people that may have unsavoury opinions or views? The world is full of people with unsavoury opinions and views, do you go out and look past all the good people or do you stress and care that much about the people who aren’t so good?
(Also, idc if I get downvoted, it’s just a number on the internet. I’m simply here to enjoy content and bring content to the platform, that’s all. I don’t personally think all this moaning is worth it, but hey, here I am.)
Lot of words typed for a person with nothing to say
First, you didn't pay attention to the meme at all, because if you had you would realize that I said .ml tankies specifically (or you did and then it's kinda funny how you immediately thought I was talking about all .ml users)
Second, .ml is actively hurting Lemmy in the Fediverse now
Third, it's mostly about the tankie "culture" (read pro-China, pro-Russia and even pro-NK misinformation and propaganda) that the devs, admins and mods encourage and enforce. You can't even post anything negative, no matter how backed by facts or deserving it is, about China or Russia without getting some sort of ban. China IS an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as fake communism.
Fourth, .ml admins and mods doesn't want Lemmy to grow even at a healthy pace, if it's not growing in the direction they want (e.g. a tankie echo chamber).
Fifth, I have no other major issues or concern with any other instance that hasn't been already addressed (eg hexbear, lemmygrad)
Especially considering there are like twelve people on every instance combined
Verifiably false,
By raw user count, lemmy.world and even Lemmynsfw.com are individually bigger than .ml (no idea what's up with that alien.top)
And by MAUs, .ml just barely makes the top 5
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You mad bro?
How many feud posts does this make this week? 2? 3? Maybe you should post one more this weekend, as a treat for yourself and all your hard work.
That said, defederate away. People should choose their own path through life. Who the hell would want to tell other people how to use lemmy or how to run their own instance? Well, except you for some weird reason...
Lol, I make my "feud" posts on my home instance in my home instance communities. You'd have a point if I went to your home instance and started posting there.
You're the ones acting entitled if anything trying to tell people what posts they should or shouldn't make on their own home instance LMAO
If my posts were not at least moderately welcome by my community it would be, at best, ignored or more likely downvoted to hell
Wait I get it now, you guys are Lemmy imperialists!
Ah yes, but you do not fear .ml, you only bring it up all the time and demand it be blocked for everyone on .world because...? You can just block it yourself, putting it in spongebob case doesn't make that point invalid.
Good thing .ml doesn't deny any genocide, right? I mean, Muslims are terrorists and Ukrainians are nazis so erasing their culture or stealing their children is actually good :D
/s
Also tankies aren't communists bc russia and China aren't communist and you want every communist who disagrees with you dead
The Netherlands isn't a "fascist" country. Wilders' PVV party is in government with three other parties, none of which are fascist. Before talks could begin they demanded strong protections for the constitution, which the PVV agreed to. They also agreed that the party leaders should not be in the cabinet, which is why Wilders does not hold a position in the cabinet, he's still effectively a "house member" to use a US parallel. It's why the current prime minister (Schoof) is a fairly apolitical bureaucrat and a former member of the PvdA, the Dutch Labour party.
One of the parties in government, NSC, is particularly twitchy about anything remotely fascist or unconstitutional. The initial PVV plan to use emergency powers to stop immigration was shot down by the NSC, and is now off the table. The PVV had to leave most if not all of their anti-Islam policies at the door. They are still fervently anti-immigration, but they're not working on deportations or anything.
The PVV in government is basically neutered to just a very right-wing party. Don't get me wrong, it's not a good government and I foresee it falling fairly soon, but they're not fascist and the Netherlands isn't a fascist country. Claiming it is just demonstrates ignorance of the Dutch political situation.
...that's not fascism and not genocide denialism. Comments like yours are exactly the reason why the words "fascist", "genocide" and many others don't mean anything anymore, instead being used as generic terms to insult one's ideological opponents with.
Low moderation doesn’t mean they’re into that. You can find opposite opinions on the instance, which indicates to me that it is just not well moderated and pretty « free »
But after all I don’t really know about the debate, I just learned about that and saw your comment
Another example about genocide denying
https://lemmings.world/comment/12925987
Oops sorry this was you today. Go back to lm
I like being able to see news not dictated by Western media which somehow all turn out to be controlled by Israel.
these memes are always so tortured, the reason I comment in these threads is because it's funny content and routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
Where's my bigotry? As of yesterday I was banned from a ton of .ml communities for "Troll" despite not having posted a single comment or post anywhere in .ml for a long time now.
In fact lots of people are banned for "Troll" or other "catch-all" rules for the audacity of bringing up things like the Uyghur genocide that China is doing or that Russia attacked a country unprovoked and wholly unjustified or even the fact that China is, in fact, Authoritarian
ETA, oh and here I was banned from technology for R1 "Bigotry", wheres the bigotry in bringing up China being authoritarian?
Then you didn't look hard enough, whenever .world comes up it's always we're some flavor of a CIA front, US military front, or reddit-lite
They don't often call for defederation because doing so would cut off a huge chunk of content
Are we surprised the latest troll community (heckbear got defederated hardcore) wants people to troll?
Westerners are easy to agitate because they live relatively cushy lives. I am not saying just because someone isn’t living in extreme poverty, they should be grateful. I am saying consider who is agitating you and why. More often than not, they just want to be the ones to control you, and hate that someone else is doing it instead. They don’t want what’s best for you.
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But that’s where all the funny shit is. The collective .ml take on most things is comedy gold!
Good lord, and any criticism of an authoritarian communist government and they expose just how much they love the taste of boots.
Okay, but debate pervert is really funny, though.
I’ve seen people banned with “liberal” being the reason.
Fallacy fallacy: only because it contains a fallacy (or a bunch) the argument isn't necessarily void.
Still stacking fallacies isn't usually a sign of a good and or valid argument.
Nice set of logical fallacies in this comment, and I don't see any citations supporting your anecdote.
I would tolerate them a little more if it weren't for the constant brigading.
Wanna analyze Marxist-Leninist-Maoist theory, self-crit, and all that good stuff? Fine by me, I like discussion of varying viewpoints. But often it's not about that but are bad faith arguments and whataboutisms about how the decadent West is ruled by the US and how Putin/Kim/Xi did nothing wrong.
It's exhausting. I don't go into their subs and rattle on about liberal market economics.
Like, I get it...I get their issues with capitalism. But it's not like socialism won't have it's own problems.
Personally, I'd rather not go through a bloody civil war in order to inact a new system, because I know that my children are going to be the ones that have to suffer that nightmare. I'd much rather try to fix the problems of our current system than start from the beginning with a brand new one.
"authoritarian communist" is an oxymoron to begin with. how can you build a society where everyone is equal by enforcing authority
Well, every so called communist government has been one, so there are examples...
Thanks for making my point.