Lol, they locked all the posts for the community

Keep it polite, folks. No personal attacks against others, especially speculations regarding mental or emotional capabilities.

Lol don't give them any attention. It's the same 3 people who didn't get loved enough during their formative years and cannot distinguish between good attention and bad attention

All three of them are Lunduke.
- But lunduke doesn't hate Linux. Only the fact that women are using it.
Meh. I have no issues with novelty accounts/ projects that are taking the piss.

Some of those posts are decent jokes to be honest. Some are just desperate/scare tactics though.

I thought it was a satiric thing - is it meant to be seriously?
- The owner once said they were not a meme community in a post. Empirical evidence disagrees.
- I'm not sure. Some posts legitimately seem like Linux users making fun of themselves. Others really seem like people who have an actual grudge against it.
- They're very serious. Or a very dedicated troll. Or both.
  I got banned from that community when I said that I had no trouble playing any Steam or Heroic Launcher games. I also said I don't play any AAA slop and especially any rootkit shit.
  If it was satire, they wouldn't have taken offense at that.
- If you satirically make a community about the Earth being a triangle, users who actually believe it will pop up eventually.
- Ehh, it's not like Linux is perfect. And if we want more Linux adoption it's good to have different perspectives and be made aware of things that perhaps we haven't thought of. It could be useful to vent about Linux through memes if we can have proper discourse and are willing to work collaboratively to solve issues.

linux is terrible because removing the entire root folder can brick your system it should be more like windows where removing system32 can brick your system

The mention of UEFI in this context likely means they are thinking of a deletion recursing through sysfs and by extension deleting all visible UEFI variables which, in some firmware editions and versions, causes it not to be able to get through post or into the setup menu.
I vaguely recall this and the general issue was very bad firmware design, but it was possible to make it impossible to even reinstall a system. If you were industrious in windows you could have done the same thing, so malware under windows could also brick such platforms.
Of course rm has more safeguards on it so you have to pass more flags and really really be asking it to try to screw things up.
- Like you said, it was just some early implementations of UEFI. I haven't heard of anything like this happening recently.
- Nice to know.
  So, I would assume the firmware gave write access to a part of permanent memory, critical to starting the system.
  I feel like that would be someone like me, thinking of it as a feature and giving the possible values for those variables in the readme. And of course, who reads the readme even though it says "READ ME"?
I was going to ask why anybody would want to move the root directory and where to but it was a joke right?
I'm a bit bias right now because I tried to install PopOS on a partition last night to see if i could play with it and make a media server. My VPN client failed to install properly, corrupted the OS and when I booted back to the live disk (Rufus made USB) I was able to format the partition but no longer install to it. The boot loader no longer works and it can't get into any OS now.
I have to say I haven't had this problem before, but working in IT and installing Windows on over 10 thousand computers in my career, this has happened to none.
(I'll try another installer likely and format the partition over and see if another bootloader like grub will take and fix the issue).
Edit: changed course and said fuck it.. formatted the entire drive and so much for the other data that was there. Clean install maybe the VPN client won't botch everything this time.
- Bootloader no worky can be caused by a hundred different issues. The installer may have removed the kernel or a CPIO archive (initramfs or processor microcode) that the bootloader needs. You could be missing some EFI program. If the boot entry is set to identify the root filesystem by its UUID, formatting/reinstalling would have changed the real UUID and then the bootloader wouldn't be able to find it. Maybe installing the OS simply wiped or damaged that partition.
  If you have to reinstall the OS, you should also reinstall the bootloader (the OS installer usually lets you do that from the GUI), or if you're confident, update the boot entries to reflect the state of the computer. I strongly recommend using btrfs as your root filesystem instead of ext4, and use Timeshift to set up regular snapshots (btrfs) or backup clones (ext4) in case this happens again.

How is this not a joke community, like the Lunduke videos?

I thought the same at first, then I started to think the main person was just trolling, now I'm pretty sure they're actually serious
Well, Lunduke is making hour long nuanced content just with baity titles. And he doesn't spend a portion of his days on banning people and sending snarky comments. This is mostly shitposting, ragebait and wrong factual claims...
Lunduke is great to listen as long as his videos are not about "wokeness", and lately all of them are, so I ended up unsubscribing him.

Microwaving any of your computer parts can brick them.

I accidentally ran rm -rf / on my work MacBook once. Proper backups and patience with yourself are far better solutions than recommending to let Microsoft infect your computer.

I love how he complains about being "brigaded" when the most comments on any post in the community is like 8.

That, and due to the relatively small nature of the fediverse, simply being in the new tab makes things likely to be seen for quite a bit, enough for ~8 users to come in and explain how backwards they're being.
The community definitely has been brigaded though, as every single post (except one that is negative to Microsoft) has been downvoted to oblivion.
- 'Brigading' would be if pro-Linux communities were organizing to specifically target another community.
  The fediverse is likely to attract the kinds of people interested in Linux in the first place, and all the negative attention that community attracts comes organically.
  I talked with the user a bit in Linux_vs_Windows before they were booted from the community, and it's my opinion that they just have a hate-boner going for Linux. It's possible to have valid criticism of Linux, but they go way past legitimate and straight into obsession territory. They tend to post in that community daily. So their points aren't exactly great (though sometimes they hit on a good meme) and they get the points they get naturally.
  It's not a conspiracy, their arguments just tend to be shit.

In A UEFI World, "rm -rf /" Can Brick Your System

efivars are made read only by the kernel. That firmware bug (!) was worked around in the kernel years ago.

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/filesystems/efivarfs.rst

Specifically in 2016: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/ed8b0de5a33d2a2557dce7f9429dca8cb5bc5879

uefi is cringe anyway, reject uefi and return to grub in the system firmware
- Firmware is one step before.
  BIOS, UEFI, coreboot, or whatever weird code runs on a Raspberry Pi's GPU to load your system, those are firmwares.
  The firmware is what starts your bootloader; grub, BOOTMGR, u-boot, etc

Gotta protect the microsoft stocks.

Funny that there’s a meme against open source on lemmy

For whatever reason, Reddit's algorithm decided I should start seeing that community, and I've always struggled to figure out if it's just Linux users shitposting, or if there are people out there who really just have huge boners for Microsoft

It started out as ironic shit posting which attracted and built an unironic hate/conspiracy community
It's happened over and over and over again lol
As a heavy Linux user, the more I use it, the more shit I talk on it.
I'm inclined to think former. Excepting X box players, I've never actually met anyone in real life who actually likes Microsoft. Only people who are forced to use it, and don't feel like migrating to greener pastures.
Reddit?
- Yeah, Reddit's got /r/linuxsucks
I also thought it was Linux shitposting, but I've had a few comments deleted there. I think they seriously hate Linux for some reason.

Quick glance AFat that place and wow. Talk about people completely and utterly missing the point

Yeah, I know I can be annoying when I tell people for the 100th time that they should install Linux, but I wouldn't have to say that if they didn't get their computer hacked / full of viruses / full with Microsoft bloat and spyware they want removed and come to me to fix that shit on each of those occasions.

Its all one person. Literally 98% of the posts are one butthurt dude, who then goes on to complain that linux users are annoying because they make it their whole personality.
- It just gets sad when you remember the dude running it isn't doing this for satire. They generally think it sucks.
- Oh, the irony.
- The thing that he doesn't understand is that he cannot ascertain my "entire personality" by simply seeing the facets of it I show in linux forums.
  Furthermore, I would argue that creating and singularly sustaining a salty "fuck linux" community puts OP pretty far up the list of "linux is entire personality," even if "anti-" it's still likely more than most of us tbh. Like I say, all I know of them is from that comm so I'm sure there's other facets to their personality I'm not privy to, I'm just saying, who is really more obsessed, the guy posting in forums and sometimes recommending it as an alternative when people complain about windows, or the guy who runs a whole ass hate community dedicated to it? Ironic, really.
- I think PC gamers in general are annoying regardless of what OS they use. I say this as a Linux PC gamer.

I’m not even all the way switched over and I got my only comment deleted. I apparently broke the rule about only being allowed to hate.

I just realized that I've already blocked both of the mods at some point in the past. The community looks really dead without their posts.

Madthumbs posts a lot of misinformation.
I looked at some posts of them. They posted a meme about how Linux users don't shut the fuck up about Linux, while running this community.... Lol.
As a Linux user, we might be a little too passionate.
- It's easy to be passionate when you aren't killing your soul with Windows.
- we might be a little too passionate
  We have to offset the complacency and downright apathy of Windows users, and the tribal/cult mentality of Apple consumers.

rm -rf / can brick your system

Well good thing there's basically no legitimate reason to ever even use rm -rf / anyway so GNU version is perfectly within its rights to refuse to do that by default, am I right? If you know what you're doing and want to nuke partitions, that's what cfdisk and mkfs are for, dammit

Yeah like so could deleting system32, and there were plenty of memes about that also.
- 'Bricked' in this sense meaning not that you'd just trash your OS and need a reinstall, but that it could actually stop your computer from booting at all. So the system32 analogy doesn't exactly fit.
  It's because some motherboards implement UEFI in a way that allows important variables to be overwritten by I/O processes. Executing sudo rm -rf /* would recursively go into the EFI parameters folder where the kernel mounts EFI variables and attempt to delete things. Some motherboards allowed these delete operations to remove things in the motherboard's firmware it needs to complete POST, thus rendering the motherboard useless.
  But that's a problem with the motherboard, not with Linux or Windows. The same damage can be caused by Windows.
rm -rf / won't even run. Only sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root will
- Really? Let me tr
yeah but what about rm -rf ../../../.../var/lib/../../?

Who did this? The mods themselves? I mean they're entitled to do whatever they like in their community... within instance rules... Or is this some intervention by someone else?

Only the mod posts there anyway. Locking the community is a mod power.
- But I guess the admins can overpower any mod, so it could be them as well?!

Most Linux haters have skill issue. I mean you can apply a complete Windows-mimicking skin to Ubuntu or Mint and use that

I think a large portion of it comes from an intolerance for troubleshooting issues with their hardware drivers. Nvidia has definitely been a huge part of this over the years with their limited Linux support, but other hardware manufacturers are also sometimes hostile towards anything but Windows support.
I think there is a vocal population of Nvidia GPU users who see their very expensive graphics card working well under Windows but having some crippling problems with whatever drivers are available on Linux, so they blame Linux. They don’t take the time to understand the complexity of the situation, and I’m not sure that it matters that they do at the end of the day.
People should just use what works for them. Nobody should try to be a purist about tools or entertainment. I’ve been a professional system admin for both Linux and Windows, and while I have an unshakable preference for Linux and open source software in general, I will use whatever tool I need to use. Fusion 360 is a piece of software that has been great for my CAD needs, but I’ve had trouble making it work reliably through WINE, so I just boot to a Windows installation on a SFF PC I keep around specifically for 3D printing stuff. No big deal.

One of the reasons I dont like local moderators being perpetually in charge of some communities. We should have a way to vote out unwanted mods. Or at least have term limits.

On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don't want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them. Oftentimes, it's just something people don't want to hear, but is true.
- I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
  Without the "irrational mob of users," wouldn't the community just be you, and thus.... not a community?
  Isn't that missing the entire point? "It's my community I built it."
  So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren't part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
- If you grow it, that's great! If a "mob of users" votes you out... that's the community.
This entire conversation is solving a problem that's already been mostly solved.
If you don't like an existing community, whether because of the mods or whatever, you just create a new one. This was common on Reddit (e.g. GameOfThrones vs FreeFolk vs ASOIAF), and extends further. If you don't like !Linux@lemmy.world, you can create !Linux@lemmy.ml, @programming.dev, @lemm.ee, or hundreds of others.
The community will respond accordingly. If you run a better ship, people will find it and respond accordingly. The only real hurdle is fighting inertia. The mods of the existing community will probably not take kindly to anyone mentioning any alternatives.
- I personally think the solution above will make people more confused. I'm already lost posting to the 5x Linux communities.
- Sure everyone can make their own, except that there is a big threshold to actually get people moving. So unless something really but and bad happens, nobody cares and just stays. See Reddit -> Lemmy and how that did not happen apart of a small group of people.
Just create a new community

Madthumbs finally got some psychiatric help huh?

The posts are locked, so folks cannot comment. And the community itself is locked, so non-moderators cannot post. But madthumbs is a moderator.
- Nothing loaded at all for me. So it looked like it just got nuked.

No porn, please. Even if the stack smashing happens out-of-frame.

Its one guy(whos the mod) posting a bunch of stupid shit there. A bunch of the posts are just "i compared you to a minority group so i win the argument". Some of the "memes" are so badly made that it actually shows you problems with windows more than linux.

I’ve seen the same thing. I remember thinking to myself a couple of times, “This isn’t the dunk you think it is.”
There’s clearly a fundamental misunderstanding there about how Linux development happens when the majority of the terrible memes treat the thousands of open source projects that go into the myriad of different distributions as a single monolithic effort run by some central authority. Or that there’s some coordinated effort to obscure the truth about switching from Windows because evangelizing the gospel of Linux is more important than everything else. And that’s beside the fact that so many of the memes aren’t even grounded in fact or are just badly outdated.
I’ve never bothered to interact with anyone there, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I legitimately think that there are issues at play here that go beyond mere preferences in operating systems. I won’t antagonize the situation because of that.

Lazy stereotyping and wojaks, man that is a bottom tier "community".

They forgot sudo. Also, why not throw in a -v flag to see your dreams die in real time!

When I first messed with Linux circa 1997, I had just installed it and learned how to edit fstab to mount my windows drive automatically.
I couldn't figure out how to start X, though, so I booted into windows and asked in EFnet #linux.
The advice I was given was 'rm -rf /'.
I hadn't yet learned about non-privileged accounts.
The correct command was 'startx'.
- I first started my GNU-Linux journey on a RasPi 2 Model B+. I too remember having to startx!

Work switched from windows 10 to 11. Think im the only person who read all the terms and conditions before upgrading thier work machine. If you can honsetly agree to all of that, then go for it.

So that meme reminds me of a prank.

There was once I had the same exact laptop as a buddy, but wasn't using it anymore. He was finishing his degree and just about to turn in like 8 papers/assignments and had a ton of work saved on it. So I wiped my laptop and installed fresh Kubuntu, and then swapped the drives when he wasn't looking. Then I pretended to have done him a favor since he had been having intermittent windows problems.

He was livid but was trying so hard to be kind, loool. Made it better when I could swap it right back and everything was there

That's just mean lol
That prank is so mischievous.
- It was so good because I could be as rotten as I wanted, there was zero lasting harm. He immediately forgave me and found it amazing once he booted up the original drive and made sure it was all good

I do not have proof but this guy has definitely various accounts on Reddit.

Wow, I assumed this was just some lighthearted trolling. I think they might actually be upset.

Hilarious lmao

The real solution is to install HaikuOS on your mum's computer

OnlY TempleOS is the one true divine solution.

This sucks. I was about to sub and contribute.

there can only be one!

I honestly think the whole Linux community should be reading that sub rather than acting like Linux is perfect. Right now desktop Linux is for very tech savvy people who are willing to put in the time to learn and fix, and it’s for their grandmas who only need a web browser and maybe a word processor. Anyone who thinks differently needs to get their head out of the sand. I use Fedora.

moms gonna be pissed

Omg the downvotes in that community 🤣

ngl some of them are pretty funny

Windows too

I'm gonna be real with you, one of the first things I've done when I joined lemmy, was to block most of the linux-centered communities.

Don't get me wrong, it's not the same as blocking fucking metric tons of brainrot that you have to do on other platforms, but at the end of the day - constant spam of geeky stuff is still a clutter if you're not interested in the topic.

Oh no. Anyway, I am here to talk to you about our lord and saviour, Richard Stallman.

Oh cool, I was banned from there last month.

it's not locked for me, did they reverse it?

Have to admit this graphic kicks ass! Mom's computer lol.

Wasn't the guy who made it banned? Is he the one who made that fuck America community of whatever it was called?