Lemmy turbolibs reporting *calls for violence* 🥱

Sure I'll think about them, as soon as they cede all their wealth and give their companies to the workers.

Educate, agitate, organize. They will never do this willingly.
- 100% homie.
  And if we don't get it?
  SHUT IT DOWN

Just a reminder, if you think what happened on DDD Day was murder and not self defense, you don't have a problem with violence, you just hate when poor people do it.

a quick Google turned up nothing useful, what is DDD Day?
- I guess this past Wednesday is unofficially Deny Defend Depose Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brian_Thompson
I can hold two ideas at the same time here, where I understand why it happened as a consequence of rampant evil on behalf of the ownership class, and it's a natural comeuppance after pushing the wrong person too far. (I think we're all shocked it took this long to happen.)
But also, unfortunately as much as we love a good revenge story, planting 3 slugs into another human being, even a nasty one, in cold blood, is not self-defense. The goal of self defense is the reduction of an attacker's ability to cause direct and imminent harm to the defender.
This was assault, and it was murder, and we can reason about the justification behind it, but I sadly don't really know what it will change, besides the bourgeois getting allocated even more of our money to have protection detail and hold their board meetings in walled enclaves or yahts away from the populace.
Violence begets violence. Blood begets blood, and those who live by the sword will die by it also. I think any sane rational person can agree this guy reaped what he and his ilk sowed every day, but still be against slaying human beings on the streets to make a point.
Edit: Knew I was just asking to get ratio'd for not 100% full-throttle stanning the trending narrative, but the actual responses (that I saw) were thought-provoking and well reasoned, so I appreciate that.
Sometimes it seems people forget the value of discourse and only care about "how popular is my opinion right now."
- Self defense is also applied when defending others. It's nice to think someday we might be above violent reaction to violent action. But until there's an alternative, we're not, and we shouldn't be.

Nationalize:

insurance
hospitals
prisons
public transit

It's perfectly possible to have your capitalist desires and still have a nice socialist structure to protect the people.

Housing should be on that list as well
- From my experience living in a very socialist country; fair housing can be handled by rules instead of 'nationalizing'. So the rules and pricing around them would be handled by the government, but not the houses themselves.
  A big one I'm missing is schools.
First of all in the list Education, without crucifixes above the blackboards
The internet and all the other utilities.
- Honestly anything that's required to live in the society IMO should be socialized. That way no corporation can decided how much my life is worth. I also believe that capitalism has been an extremely powerful tool to bring wealth to the middle class. Socialized Capitalism maybe. Is that possible? Some European countries have done it I guess. I'm no expert or politician, just a working man. Maybe somehow it can be done.
thats kinda every socialist countrys baseline (that works) and its also why the american propaganda associates it with CoMMuNisM.
- What do you mean "socialist country thay works," in a manner opposed to Communism? Are you calling the Nordic Countries "socialist," despite reliance on hyper-exploitation of the global south and sliding worker protections, as a means to discredit AES countries?
Social programs are not "socialism," nor are markets "capitalism." What determines the nature of an economy is what is dominant, the will of Capital or the will of the People. That's why Social Democracies are sliding into austerity, because the Workers never actually siezed control Capital still dominates the system and disparity rises as a consequence.
Education, too. With funding based on region and per student.
They can't allow that. That's called leaving money on the table. They will not be satisfied until they have every penny we earn, then, once that food source dries up, they'll go after each other.

Don't eat the rich 🥺😉

They're meat's no good. Compost the rich.
- We got enough microplastics in the ground.
- Compost them away from crops and use on ornamentals and pollinator plants only. Don't want lead contamination!
- Brian Thompson looked pretty well-marbled for a CEO, to be fair. Cook 'im low, cook 'im slow.
- Except maybe their heads... I'm thinking pikes down Wall Street
- Food waste the rich.

I just want dental insurance to be included in basic health insurance plans for all. Nothing too radical.

Republicans: Best we can do is toothpaste coupons
That's crazy talk. Your teeth aren't part of your body or anything!
- Luxury Bones
Too radical for the Republicans.
And the occasional lenses for my eyeballs.
I know I'm asking for a lot because adequate vision is positively absolutely a luxury, and not at all necessary for doing the vast majority of work or existing in society...but y'know.

I don't condone the murder of the CEO of a healthcare insurance company who reject 32% of claims.....

But I understand.

I'll condone it

ShitLibs when somebody kills/harms/insults a capitalist, a warlord ("defense contractor"), a capitalist dictator, a war criminal, or anyone with power:

Just a reminder but the bourgeoisie are the "middle class", and that the CEO who was killed is part of a capitalist oligopoly.

The bourgeoisie haven't been targeted here, an aristocrat has.

Aristocrats were an offshoot of feudalism, the bourgeoisie are the Capital Owners. The "middle class" is the petite bourgeoisie, who are Capital Owners that must labor, ie small business owners. This was the bourgeoisie, not an aristocrat.
The aristocrats were largely disposed of via bourgeois revolution. Now there is a haute bourgeoisie, like Brian Thompson (net worth >$40M), and a shrinking petite bourgeoisie, A.K.A. the middle class.
- Absolutely, I just meant that the inhuman monster who was killed wasn't bourgeoisie, he was an aristocrat. These are rich families that stay rich by exploiting the poor and (few remaining) bourgeoisie.
  In end stage capitalism you're oligarchy, poor, or soon to be one of the two.

The ones that simp the hardest for the dead CEO were calling anyone who doesn't love Netanyahu's genocide a trumper.

Based admin

turbolib is a new insult

It's been pretty common among the Left.

Curious, what are these turbolibs and how do I identify them on Lemmy?

If they're "anti-violence" and it doesn't even cross their mind that they're defending wage slavery.
- Or mass murder like the UHC ceo did
They usually have lemmy.world handles. Not saying you are, but the admins and many of the mods of .world are said turbolibs and shaped their instance around it
- Thank you, as someone newer to the lemmy.world, I'm just getting my bearings and have tons to learn here. Doing some poking around and it looks like lemmy.ml may be a better home for me 😁

They're thought about all the time. So far only one person made it past that.

Any chance you could share, blurring out the names of course?

Promoting murder
Planning homicide
Call for violence
Given the timing with a murder of a health insurance CEO, the OP appears to be supporting murdering.
advocating violence
- Took me a while to understand; fwiw, the above are explanations people are giving when reporting posts
- Hmmmm....
  and?

Turbolibs

Means nothing to me. What is a turbolib? It's difficult to understand much of anything when everyone has a different name for everyone else.
- Lib is an American capitalist culture war word like woke. It's a Schrödinger term. Capitalists both claim they're libs without actually promoting any freedoms, but also libs are commies/sjws and the source of all moral decay because a strong boot on the neck is preferred. And then both of the variations keep repeated ad nauseam doing the capitalist bidding so who the fuck knows anymore.
- Mega liberal, ie a radical supporter of Capitalism.

Bourgeoisie is the middle class though. Not the rich

Wow, downvoted for using the definition of a word smh

Maybe define your terms, “bourgeoisie” and “middle class”, and explain where you’re getting these definitions from.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Middle_class_(disambiguation)
The term “middle class” has been so hopelessly redefined in so many disparate ways that it’s best to avoid using it altogether. All it does is muddy the conversation.
The Bourgeoisie was the "middle class" when the aristocracy were the upper class. The majority of the world is under Bourgeois rule, not aristocratic rule, any longer, ergo the Bourgeoisie is the upper class.
Bourgeoisie does not simply mean "middle class," it refers to a class of Capitalists. You don't adjust what the word means, but its context.

My problem with this is, who gets to decide where bourgeoisie start and ends. Because for the majority of the world, the average American is a selfish bourgeois with a big house and two cars, who thinks oppression is when the gas price rise. Kill all the bourgeois fine, but who gets to decide who lives and who dies?

edit: jeez americans, we dont have to agree on everything and downvote to hell just because someone says something we dont like. Maybe in the US shooting people you dont like seems like a resonable solution, but I'm sorry it's not that simple in the rest of the world.

Class is about relation to the Means of Production, not simple wealth. The US is largely made up of labor aristocracy who benefit from Imperialism, like you pointed out, but aren't bourgeoisie.
Secondly, putting people to death isn't the goal, changing property relations is. Adventurism is cool to see, but doesn't actually change anything.
- So who gets to decide?
This is two questions in one. Cowbee is addressing who is and isn’t bourgeois.
As to who lives and who dies: nobody has to die, but history has proven that the capitalist class won’t relinquish power peacefully. They will utilize state violence to retain control of the state and to protect their private property.
- USA is pretty much the most capitalist country in the world so that's a lot of people that might die. But again, who gets to decide who will die (or be rehabilitated)? Cowbee?
Because for the majority of the world, the average American is a selfish bourgeois with a big house and two cars, who thinks oppression is when the gas price rise.
I mean I fucking live here and that's pretty much my assessment as well to be honest. Maybe not your average american if we're working on like, who's right just based on home ownership statistics, but certainly, that's not really an invalid perception.
Whoever has the cajones, that's who