‘Useful Idiot for Russia’: DNC Decides to Go Off on Jill Stein

i'm glad the "you're pro-genocide if you vote anything but 3rd party" morons finally shut the fuck up around here

edit: LOL

have you had ANYONE turn around and say " you know what, you're right!" on lemmy? or ANYWHERE?

gtfo russian cumfarts

Probably doesn't help that Stein refuses to call Putin a war criminal.
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-vladimir-putin-war-criminal-1954965
"Hasan later asked Stein why she had labeled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal, but not Putin.
"Well, as John F. Kennedy said, we must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate," she replied. "So, if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name-calling and hurling epithets."
"So, how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then if you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?" Hasan asked in response.
"Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal," Stein said, prompting Hasan to ask: "So Putin clearly isn't a war criminal?"
"Well, we don't have a decision—put it this way—by the International Criminal Court," Stein said.
The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin, alleging that he is responsible for war crimes. No such warrant has been issued for Netanyahu, whose war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians. However, the chief prosecutor of the ICC has applied for an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister.
"There's an arrest warrant for Putin and there isn't an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, so why is Putin not a war criminal, but Netanyahu is?" Hasan asked.
"Yeah. Well, let me say this. We are sponsoring that war. We are sponsoring Netanyahu," Stein responded. "He is our dog in this fight. That is why we have a responsibility to pull him back.""
- Fwiw after that whole thing made news she released a press statement that did call him a war criminal
  EDIT: citation - https://www.jillstein2024.com/war_criminals_and_diplomacy
- If anything, if he's "our dog" as she says, doesn't that mean he's just a tool rather than a war criminal?
  Why is this interesting? Here's another point of view, one that's a bit more consistent. Israel, while not being a member of NATO, has a special relationship with it and is basically a major defacto ally.
  If you are pro-(Putin's) Russia and believe NATO's actions are war crimes, then it's no leap at all to consider Israel in the same group. In fact, hurting Israel (the country) then benefits Russia as it weakens NATO (by weakening a close ally of theirs).
- You forgot this part from the beginning
  "Mehdi Hasan: Vladimir Putin is a war criminal?
  Jill Stein: Yes, we did condemn —"
  She called him a war criminal several times in the interview
Ahahaha oh no the "office workers" are still all over here, their content usually just gets downvoted into being permanently hidden and they've stopped picking fights outside of their own posts.
- Don't forget there was also a bunch of government-backed troll farms shut down recently
- their content usually just gets downvoted into being permanently hidden
  At first I read this as something that existed at the post level, too. Man, I sometimes wish something like that existed - posts below a certain rating could just be hidden (like Slashdot, for instance).
Those MAGAs cosplaying as lefties will have an even harder time now that the Uncommitted group have said they cannot support Harris but Donald will be worse. The same as we have all be saying.
- Not just Trump will be worse as some sort of abstract moral statement. Their statement is that Uncommitted voters should actively vote against Donald Trump no matter how inadequate Harris's statements and commitments have been.
Of course it's exactly who I expected to show up and say that lmao. They're so fucking predictable. It's hilarious.
They haven't, they just get downvoted pretty quickly.
lol, where's dufusbaan?
- hilarious that i know exactly who you're talking about
There are other third parties you can vote for
- thanks, i'll not be throwing my vote away this time. or any time
How does it feel when you rationalize ethnic cleansing? Did you ever imagine you'd be this person?
You're pro genocide if you vote for anyone that has explicitly voted to arm and fund the genocide
- Are you saying "the US is a fully functioning democracy whose actions represent the will of the people"?
  I just want to make sure I'm hearing you right, that America is a functioning democracy...
You are pro genocide if you are supporting those funding and providing weapons for genocide
- LOL it took a whole hour
  you kids are slacking
  and no. voting for harris does NOT make me "pro-genocide," no matter how much you wish it did.
  have fun watching jill stein get a single digit percentage of the vote. if that. but don't feel like you accomplished something by throwing your vote away, because you didn't
- Are you saying "the US is a fully functioning democracy whose actions represent the will of the people"?
  I just want to make sure I'm hearing you right, that America is a functioning democracy...

Jill is here to collect some donations then disappear for 4 years. Again.

As someone in a state where my presidential vote is very much decided... I voted Gary Johnson in 2016. I know there are a lot of very real critiques of the libertarian party and/or platform, but it's really sad the green party puts it to shame... it's not a high bar.
My point being... wtf is she still doing doing this stuff? Libertarians push local candidates all the damn time, and make a push for the presidential seat when they can, but soundly rejected Trump, and hell, even in 2016 you had the VP libertarian cantidate saying "vote Hillary". Like I am upset as anyone else, but if you're still in the green party you're just kidding yourself... and thats from a freaking libertarian that hates his party a good 50% of the time.
- I absolutely despise libertarians. But I approve this message.

There’s photos of Shill Stein dining with Putin. How much more evidence do you need?

She wasn't even the worst at the table, that "honor" goes to convicted felon Mike Flynn:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Flynn
More on Flynn and his connecting Trump to Russia here:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/
p.s. Trump's "National Security Advisor".
- Oh oh but if I mention it to certain folk, that's "old news" and "why do you only ever bring that image up" and "lol libs sure are grasping at straws"
  Fascism and political interference does not have an expiration date.
- Lest anyone try to claim Stein isn’t running purely as a spoiler candidate.
- Still can’t believe Flynn was the fucking head of the DIA
- Provide links from the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation showing there was wrong doing with the event. They've investigated and found nothing. Implying guilt by association is dishonest and should be labeled misinformation.
No, you see they just happened to put her at the same table as Putin and the other scumbags. She had no say in it! And she couldn't do anything about it! She's the victim here, don't ya know!
...This is the common response you see from the Stein cultists when this photo is brought up. And it's pure horseshit. If she had anywhere near the principles and ethics she claims to have she would have got up and left from that table immediately. But she didn't. Because she's a hypocritical con-artist, a charlatan.
Stein plays the morally-upright crusader, waltzing around casting sanctimonious judgements on others. But at the end of the day she's a far right stooge who is only interested in stroking her own ego and discretely ingratiating herself to tyrants. She can say what she want and has no accountability held against her.
She had done so much damage to the Green movement over the past decade+. She only pops up at election time to try to make life easier for far right movements whose policies are often the antithesis of what she pretend to support.
The Democrats should be doing more on environmental issues and holding Israel accountable for what's going on in Palestine. But at least they aren't hiding behind their own self-righteousness to anywhere near the degree that Stein is.
The system is rigged and you are being play around, how much more evidence do you need?
- Presidents are supposed to meet with other global leaders you Muppet
- World leaders do meet one another, and often shake one another's hands. Jill Stein is not a world leader.

Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, said via email that “the Democratic Party has no respect for actual democracy or the voting public,” calling the attack a “tired and sad commentary on a party that refuses to serve the American people with good public policy.”

Yes, this is true.

“We’re seeing a desperate empire now. We are seeing a desperate colonialist settler empire whose ways of the world and whose control over the world has been lost,” Stein said as she inveighed against U.S. healthcare, housing, and military policy.

This is also true. But she has no shot at winning and is literally only capable of helping the orange bad. We need rank-choice voting. Until we get that, she should shut up and drop out. Especially with the threat of the orange bad.

Yup! This exactly.
literally only capable of helping the orange bad
The folks voting Green have already folded on the other options. If you're picking a fight with Jill, you're only driving her base farther from your candidate.
- I'm tired of people being stupid. I've been tired of it for 20 God damn years. I'm folding on stupid people. I don't care if I drive them away anymore.
- The point is she doesn't have a base. She's never actually worked to get one. She comes out of the woodwork every 4 years to poke holes in the liberal candidate talking points and cause these rifts in the left. The people who vote for her are almost all independent voters who are "sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils". Yet not one of those people will get up off their asses to push their local legislatures to enact ranked choice voting in order to provide an actual avenue for a third party candidate to get elected.
This just isn't true. Third party candidates put pressure on the duopoly candidates to adopt a diversity of policies that better represent the interests of the country.
If the democrats wanted to make the Green and PSL parties irrelevant this election, all they have to do is drop their unconditional support for Israel's genocide.
Democrats desperately want to be able to run with status quo positions without risking a loss, and stein makes that just barely difficult enough as to go after her candidacy, because that's easier than attacking her policy positions.
- The Green party is already irrelevant. Their only power is siphoning away votes every 4 years. If they actually wanted to affect political change, they would establish a broad presence in local politics, establish a voting and policy record, and build a third party that's actually viable as their local candidates advance to the national stage.
  That takes a lot of time and a tonne of effort, though. Apparently it's just easier taking money from Putin to gum up a presidential election.
- I remember when I turned 14.
- lol…. This is what you actually believe?
- I agree, but that doesn't mean Jill Stein has a chance of winning or that she doesn't help the orange bad.
- all they have to do is drop their unconditional support for Israel's genocide.
  First off they are not unconditionally supporting the genocide. Both Biden and Harris are working for a ceasefire. The fact that Israel is not complying or even giving it any serious thought is because we have a plurality of people in this country who do unconditionally support Israel and will not vote for a party that does not actively show support for Israel. So if Biden or Harris actually came out and said they would stop providing weapons and money to Israel they would lose 10 times more votes than the number of people who are voting for Jill Stein because she's being critical of them for "unconditional support of Israel's genocide".
  If you are voting for Jill Stein because of the whole Israel issue. Then you deserve to lose all of the rights that get taken away if and when Trump wins. For reference see Roe versus Wade.
- Well said.
  Sort of shocking how the common opinion here is, "vote how I tell you or you are a Hitler enabler".
  And then they wonder why they aren't changing peoples minds.
- If the democrats wanted to make the Green and PSL parties irrelevant this election, all they have to do is drop their unconditional support for Israel’s genocide.
  There's a lot more in the table than that. But it would be a good start.
  Kamala doubling back on Fracking is driving off as many environmental voters as her endorsement of the Israeli genocide is scaring away Arab-Americans.
  But that's the joke. People think if Greens just vanished, all their voters would be forced into the Dem block. Instead, repeatedly calling them Trumpies means they'll be that less likely to vote for you.

Narrator: the DNC is correct.

Forget debates. I would pay good money to see an episode of Jeopardy with Harris, Stein, and Trump.

The categories could be content from a high school civics class.
- "This person won the popular vote for President in 2016."
How is this the first time me hearing this wonderful idea?
"I'll take Jap Anus Relations for $200 Alex"
I'd much rather see them in a game show than a debate. Debates are pretty much boring game shows these days anyways.
@LorneMichaels We need this stat!

The people who vote for her seem like the useful idiots to me, she herself more seems like a traitor to the old values of her country and the purported causes of her party. She loves foreign autocrat dictatorships and there's nothing green about helping republicans win elections.

Yeah useful idiots are volunteers, she's a paid collaborator.

Jill has ruined a lot of credibility.

I doubt anyone dumb enough to vote for Stein are Harris voters anyway. So now than likely a vote for Stein will be one taken for Trump. So Trump and Putin can waste all the money they want on her campaign.

They're probably trying to scoop up the Republican voters that are disillusioned with Trump and prevent them from going to Harris. It's actually a decent strategy in that light.
- You know, positioning the DNC "against" her might draw some of the people who won't vote for Harris but really don't want to vote for Trump away from voting GOP....
You don't have to be "smart" to vote for a good candidate.
Stein is the nominally "more liberal than the Democrats are willing to be" candidate. So most likely if they were forced to vote and could only vote for Trump or Harris, then I'd wager they'd mostly go Harris.
A relative weakness is that on the left there are currently more people ready to discard strategic thinking and stand on what they consider their absolute principles. The right is currently a bit more unified, as they are more willing to yield on their differences to vote closest to their overall goal with a decent chance to win.
Or the left is fairly unified in practice but Internet manipulations present the illusion otherwise, I have no idea
- Or you could just reserve your opinion for who you are going to vote for, and respect the fact everyone is free to come to their own conclusion.
  I'm voting for Harris, but it wouldnt offend me If someone said they were voting third party. The same as I wouldnt expect it to offend them I'm voting for Harris.
  Y'all need to get off this good and evil Netflix drama.

They’re not wrong, but they could stand to recognize that some of their own policy shortcomings opened the door to her challenge.

That's always going to be the case with a first past the post election system. There can only be 2 parties with a chance to win at any one time and both are forced to be big tents. Because they have no chance at winning third parties get more choice on the issues they focus on and more freedom in how they talk about those issues.
We need election reform. We need a voting system that gives more power to minority voices and we need an election system that makes Congress better reflect the actual vote. I like STAR voting and want to move the house to proportional representation. We would most likely still have 2 big tent more or less center parties that will trade the plurality but the big tents would have to work with the minority party representatives to get enough votes to pass legislation. It's possible that more minority party visibility and them being taken more seriously would lead to a more ideologically diverse Senate and it would almost certainly boost minority party power in state and local elections.
The whole point is that there is no challenge. It is sabotage funded by Republicans and Putin.
What challenges has she done when not running for POTUS?
Well, that's a good point, but Stein and the Green party are going about it the wrong way. Even Stein's predecessor, Ralph Nader, has stated that they need to spend more time at the grassroots and building up local support, including getting folks elected to local school boards, state legislatures, and the like.

Any of the Stein shills want to explain to everyone why Trump (among many other awful people/companies/etc) attorney Jay Sekulow was representing The Green Party in their case against the State of Nevada?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/09/18/how-republicans-and-democrats-are-boosting-third-party-spoiler-candidates-as-trump-lawyer-represents-jill-stein/

Anyone?

Trump and his team believe the same thing Democrats do: so-called third parties "steal" votes from the dominant parties. just because they believe it doesn't make it true
- Oh ok... So everyone who literally does this for a living and has done it for decades believes this. All evidence from previous elections indicates this. Evidence we have about this current candidate in this sham "party" clearly supports this...
  You're really not helping yourself here.

Jill Stein wouldn't say that Putin is a war criminal. You should really listen to how she dances stupid the interview with Medhi Hassan.

https://boingboing.net/2024/09/16/kremlins-favorite-candidate-jill-stein-refuses-to-call-putin-a-war-criminal-during-interview.html

The fallout/optics from that blatant fear to speak clearly about Putin was bad enough it seems that she's now made a follow-up statement to lightly say the phrase, with qualification (after checking with daddy) and associating it only with Syria and refusing to mention Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

in that interview she immediately says "yes". framing it as though she isn't saying it is just lying.
- "Say it" means a specific thing. She's given multiple opportunities to do so directly in that interview and she's terrified of a sound bite of her acknowledging it directly. She readily says it (appropriately) about Netanyahu, she will not say or about Putin. You're either an apologist yourself or you're undereducated on the subject matter - either way, do better.

She is their stooge.

Jill Stein needs to go, condemning Putin should be the easiest thing in the world to do for any non-Russian.

The only place I ever see/read anything at all about Jill Stein is on Lemmy.

Then you need to get out more because she's been on a whole mess of main stream media.
- That's like saying someone needs to go outside because they haven't dunked their head in radioactive waste.

Russia is bad and all, but she's much more directly a useful idiot for Republicans who are not only more directly focused on directly harming the people Stein's campaign is targeting, but have a significantly greater ability to actually accomplish it. No one needs to trust the US establishment that Russia is bad, they know Republicans and how they're bad.

Also, DNC, why are you making this news on The Bulwark? Way to undercut your message.

Well that's the whole point, Putin's goal is to destabilize the West, that's why he backed Trump and Stein in 2016 and 2020, it's why he backed Brexit in 2016.
Now, for the DNC and Bulwark, there's a more strongly worded article on democrats.org which is straight from the DNC, unfortunately the DNC doesn't meet our credibility guidelines for posts. LOL.
https://democrats.org/news/icymi-jill-stein-to-campaign-today-with-alleged-russian-assets/
"Engaging with foreign assets is a pattern for Stein. Previously, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated links between Stein’s 2016 campaign and Russia’s efforts to interfere in the election, while an indictment brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller found that the Kremlin’s Internet Research Agency had used social media to promote her candidacy. In 2015, Stein attended a gala in support of Russian propaganda television network, RT, where she sat at the head table alongside Vladimir Putin and Michael Flynn. Stein has repeatedly parroted Kremlin views and posted a campaign video from Moscow’s Red Square with language “ripped from Putin’s talking points.”
Despite her ties to the Kremlin and Putin, the GOP has still embraced Jill Stein as a spoiler candidate. Donald Trump praised Jill Stein, saying he likes her “very much.” Additionally, the GOP has been helping Stein with ballot access in an attempt to prop up her spoiler candidacy. "
- Putin isn't all that powerful a force in our society. He has limited influence and capability to disrupt operations. The GOP on the other hand has the ability and intention to drastically curtail our freedoms while sacrificing our well-being so rich people can get marginally richer. They're the ones who can spend billions of dollars running sham efforts to get Stein on the ballot, they're the ones who can give money to her campaign, and they're the ones who have the cultural knowledge to run truly dangerous influence operations.
  I'm much more worried and angered by a "left" voice allying with the GOP than I am with some idea of foreign influence. The foreigners aren't the problem. There are plenty of fascists right here at home and no remote ideological excuse for working with them in any fashion regardless of how angry you are with the DNC.
Bulwark has been on a good article blitz recently.
- They're fine, but they were explicitly founded as Never Trump conservatives, which is not the outfit you want to go to when trying to discredit challenges that are nominally based on the Democrats being too conservative.

then stop bitching and unfuck your electoral system

Oh, it can be done, but that means amending the Constitution.
To do that you need 290 votes in the House, the people who needed 15 tries to get a simple 218 vote majority to pick their own leader.
Then you need 67 votes in the Senate, a body that's incapactitated by needing 60 votes to overcome a filibuster.
Then you need ratification from 38 states, when 25 went to Biden in 2020 and 25 went to Trump.
There may be a way around it, but that doesn't kick in until enough states with 270 Electoral College votes agree to it, and that hasn't happened yet either:
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation
- Man, it's incredibly hard to change anything.

All these articles attacking Stein my make people not vote for her, but they aren't going to convince anyone to vote for Harris.

If you don't want Trump, you only have one choice.
- I don't want any cheerleader for genocide.
They arent going to convince anyone to vote for Trump either, so what's your point, comrade?
- My point, comrade, is that all this desperate energy spent tearing down Jill Stein would be better spent changing the policies that are turning off potential dem voters.
Trump doesn't care about Ukraine at all. What do you think of that?
I agree. This feels the similar to gerrymandering or restricting access to vote for minorities. They should be able to win without having to walk through a gutter.

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P.S. can I just say how bad does it have to be that a Right-Center news source agrees and promotes the DNC?
- That’s the whole point of the bulwark. It’s the official organ of never-trump republicans.

No, not a threat, the winner will be either Harris or Trump, but they could keep Harris from winning in key swing states.
- Not our problem, we are not democrats. If Democrats lose it's their own doing for continuing to shift their party to the right.
- Not our problem, we are not democrats. If Democrats lose it's their own doing for continuing to shift their party to the right.
- With that the winner will be AIPAC and Netanyahu. People voting third party does not threaten the outcome of one of the established party as a whole, but it threatens the idea that doing what AIPAC wants is always good for a politician and going against it is always bad.
  If too many voters decide to go against Democrats now because they are disgusted by the Democrats support for the many heinous atrocities committed by the Netanyahu government, it would force the Democrats to reevaluate that position and force AIPAC influence out, to regain credibility with the people.
The propaganda has been on rapid fire lately,
My thoughts exactly... Though I suspect we are not referring to the same people.

Is the DNC actually trying to woo Stein voters? They could shift swing states into Blue States, but for some reason they think bashing her will get her voters?

Has the DNC learned nothing from 2016?

What has Stein learned over the years, pray tell?

Fine, I'll vote for a different 3rd party candidate. Clearly the DNC just wants to make sure we don't vote for Stein and they don't have an issue with anyone but Harris, right?

Sure, feel free. It's your vote. Hope you have the same energy to wag your finger at genocide when Republicans kick it into overdrive. Hope your disapproval is strong enough to get you off your couch to do something about it.
Look, another useful idiot
Fine, I’ll vote for a different 3rd party candidate.
You sound like a fucking child. Are you sure you're old enough to vote?
Leave the Palestinian people out of your childish temper tantrum.

Which people?
- You know, the people who want the same thing I want.
- The single-issue Gaza voters who ignore everything else at stake besides Gaza.

If all you have is "Russia" lol

Her platform literally calls for the disbanding of NATO
- Sure, but what leftist wouldn't call for the disbanding of NATO?

a vote for Stein is a vote for Trump

It's also... not a vote for Trump.

If Stein has 50% of Trump's votes, Harris still wins, by a knockout.

It's not conservative voters who are going to be voting for her.
- There is next to a zero chance that MAGA is gonna vote for Stein. If that ain't true, then prove me wrong. I'd love to see the analysis.
Again. This is not how this works.
Stein isn't taking Trump voters. She's a Left-Wing distraction candidate. In some systems, like RCV or Proportional Representation, her candidacy wouldn't hurt the Dem as long as voters were thoughtful with their votes. But in FPTP, which we have here, she's definitely a threat. We're bitterly divided here, to the tune of close to 51% wanting lefties and 49% wanting righties. All she needs to do to throw this election to the Right is poach 3% plus whatever Right-Wing third party candidates there are. Since the Right is unifying behind the Shitgibbon, it's real easy for her to spoil the election and get all 51% who want progressive and/or liberal policies to get conservative policies instead. This is even worse when you realise Conservatives have gone Fascist.

No news about third parties when they were not threat for red and blue

- Or even if they showed up outside of an electoral context. The green party has some local elected officials in a few places across the country, none of them very close to me so it's hard to inform an impression of them.
  But it doesn't seem like, at least outside of those few folks, that the green party is very interested in any aspects of politics besides running in elections. If Jill Stein was criticizing Biden or Harris for the last four years, trying to get them to move to the left, or organizing groups of people to accomplish anything other than voting every 4 years... Her rhetoric points towards making real systemic change, but her actions suggest someone only invested in being a presidential candidate within the status quo. And the green party keeps nominating her for some reason. That doesn't seem like what a serious party or candidate would do, or should be doing.
- They exist, fundamentally, to be a threat to one party or the other.
  Sounds like that's the idea you got of third party from the propaganda, because they talk about them exactly when they become a threat and not the rest of the time. Government and a bunch of rich guys own all mass media.

In this instance, "useful idiot" has a very specific meaning:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/useful%20idiot
: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda
It is one task of the KGB [in 1982] to apply its skills of secrecy and deception to projecting the Soviet party's influence. This it does through contacts with legal Communist Parties abroad, with groups sympathetic to Soviet goals, with do-gooders of the type that Lenin once described as "useful idiots" … .
Re: the Lenin thing:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
"A useful idiot or useful fool is a pejorative description of a person, suggesting that the person thinks they are fighting for a cause without fully comprehending the consequences of their actions, and who does not realize they are being cynically manipulated by the cause's leaders or by other political players.[1][2] The term was often used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and psychological manipulation.[1] A number of authors attribute this phrase to Vladimir Lenin, but this attribution is not supported by any evidence. Similar terms exist in other languages."
She can say her policies are whatever gets votes. She has no chance of winning and having a chance to implement them.
If you know you won't ever have to follow through, there's no punishment for promising anything.
Policy that never gets implemented is meaningless. It cannot be better. I mean if that weren't the case you'd be a fool not to elect me. Because of my policy is that every person in America gets a million dollars. And I guarantee you that will help people far more than anything Stein is proposing.
What the Simple Minds don't comprehend or want to understand. Is that Jill Stein is in many ways exactly like Donald Trump. They will tell you what you want to hear. Regardless of their ability to deliver on it.
All liberal policy sucks. Regardless of whether it's conservative or progressive. Their reflexive recoiling from anything even tangentially related to socialism. Their need to shove capitalism in everything especially in places it should never be. If you vote for conservative. You get sodomized against your will. Dry and rough. When you vote for progressive. They sodomize you against your will still. But they will be gentle about it provide lube and even sometimes a reach around. Voting for Jill Stein you are lied to and told that the outcome will be better than either of those. Only to find that you will still be sodomized dry by a conservative. Only now Jill Stein and Putin will be standing behind you high-fiving. Which is actually worse.
Not to demean or Kink shame those that like sodomy. But even they like some consideration from their partner. Something which sadly only one of the parties currently in this presidential election can actually offer.

Maybe she wouldn't be so popular among Muslims if, you know, Dems weren't erasing their existence. Just Sayian.

Dems weren’t erasing their existence.
There are legit criticisms of their support of Israel. . .but accusing dems of "erasing the existence of Muslims" is so detached from reality I'm not even sure how one would even begin to get one believing that to join the rest of us in the real world.
- Yeah, but… you’re talking to a lemmy leftist. They’re not known for adhering to any standard of reality.
Would this be the same dems that provide wholehearted economic and military support too... just let me check my notes here... The House of Al Saud?
So hilarious! I too love parody! You nailed the ignorance and aversion to reality perfectly!
Dumbass. Erasing their existence. 50,000 people in Gaza are dead. 98% of Gaza is still alive. There are 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world.
Oh no, 0.000025% of the world's Muslims have been killed, in a warzone, in a war that their elected leaders started.
"OH NOES THERE BEING ERASED BY THE GREAT SATAN."
- Even though the entire world calls it a genocide but it's not because they're not all dead yet!

The DNC screwed themselves forcing a drug Baron on their public. Jill Stein isn't a traitor to the Republic like The Entire Democrat Party is, so she has a very cromulent chance, and a valid campaign unlike the Traitors to the Republic Democrats. Their scared ff Jill Stein because they made a shitty decision and it's haunting them that they forced it on us. Eat a bag of cheetos dicks, Traitors to the Republic garbage. I look forward to your trial.

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- Or maybe its a case like Joe Rogan and Assmongold who say they're left-wing while extolling far-right narratives and conspiracy theories (and sometimes outright anti-scientific folly like 1×1=2), basically using it as a manipulative talking point to mislead their millions of followers (the vast majority of whom just happen to be white men with proto-fascist views of the world)
- Conservative*
She literally is a traitor, parroting Putin the puta.