More than 90% of chickenpox cases in New York City outbreak among unvaccinated people
More than 90% of chickenpox cases in New York City outbreak among unvaccinated people
Just 1.4% of cases were among people who received two vaccine doses.
I wonder how many of the 10% would be unaffected if the rest had gotten vaccines
Solid herd immunity query.
Get your jabs people.
I'm so happy there is a chickenpox vaccine! I was at the edge of that, getting it before it was available. It was hell.
It was more hell for my mother who had never gotten chickenpox as a child. So had it as an adult. Agony! And have to deal with sick twins!
Make vaccines obligatory. Take people kicking and screaming if you have to, don't care. The entire bullshit line "but muh rights" has nothing to do with this, you don't have the right to make the world a worse place, you don't have the right to risk other people's lives.
Make vaccines obligatory, exceptions only for those that have real and supported medical reasons like auto immune diseases.
If you don't, you get fine, jailed, and vaccinated anyway.
Ah, that feels good writing that down.
There are people who legitimately can't take some vaccines for legit medical reasons. For example, I worked in a hospital and was required to get an annual flu shot and it was always an issue. Why? I'm epileptic, and it could trigger a seizure. I never had an issue though, and fought to get the vaccine. Only missed one year with a charge nurse who wouldn't risk it. I then went and got it on my own. Hospital acquired infections are no joke, and that applies to the staff as well as patients.
But other than that, I agree.
That's why I said with exceptions for those that have legitimate medical reasons, doctors should have to sign off on that.
And quickly for those that think "ooohhh, I'm a doctor and I'm antivaxxer, I can sign" (and yeah, those exist unfortunately) you wouldn't be the first one to go to jail for that, though as far as om concerned, if you mess with human safety because of your conspiracy beliefs, you can go to jail for 20 years instead of 2.
There is precedent for this.
Is Chicken Pox even a required vaccine?
That vaccine is new enough that there are still a lot of us that pre-dated it, plus the article did talk about immigration from places without a program.
Which leads to why is there a separate Shingles vaccine? I thought Shingles was Chicken Pox that hibernated your whole life and may manifest differently. So, why wouldn’t it be the same vaccine? When kids who were vaccinated against Chicken Pox grow up, will there be any more Shingles? Will there be any need for a Shibgles vaccine?
There seems to be a lot of morons in NYC.
If 10% of the people living in NYC were morons, it would be more than the populations of five states.
always has been
Back in my day we got chickenpox and we liked it.
Makes me feel like a relic that there was no vaccine for it when I was a kid. "Back in my day there was no vaccine for polio!"
I didn't like it. 0/10 would not recommend.
Had to look up the date of the vaccine, looks like it became commercially available in 1984, and licensed in America by 1995. If you're 30-40+, you were probably forced to have it as a kid.
I don't think I've ever had the vaccine. I did have chickenpox before 1995.
People who had chickenpox as children are at risk of getting shingles in later adulthood, which is supposedly awful and very painful. There's not much to like about that.
As others have already noted, vaccination wasn't an option and parents would get their children chickenpox on purpose when they were young, because it can be much worse when you get older.
As someone from a part of the world where the medical consensus is against mass vaccination against chickenpox, it's weird to see it discussed in the same terms as Measles or COVID.
I got my youngest jabbed for it because lockdown meant they didn't get it as a toddler like most kids I knew of growing up, when it's usually an irritating but short illness and I was concerned they might somehow make it to adulthood without encountering it, when it actually becomes a lot more harmful.
That was unfounded, since it's going round all the young uns right now. Still, we're both glad they won't have to experience the itchy spots, although jealousy over friends who had a few days off school was expressed.
I was curious what the arguments against mass chicken pox vaccination are, and it seems the thinking is changing, at least in the UK.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240229-why-dont-some-countries-vaccinate-against-chickenpox
What I still don't understand though is if the argument against mass vaccinating children is that sick children may effectively act as a booster for adults, why not just recommend an actual booster for adults?
My understanding is , besides cost, the virus is just so contagious, that it's an all or nothing proposal.
Vaccination is always better for the individual, but for the "herd" it's actually worse unless you can get almost everyone at once. That would have been hard enough before that arsehole Wakefield and even moreso now.
But it's a numbers game. Our doctors looked at the statistics and made a recommendation when the vaccine became available, but now there is actual data on a generation of it's use in other countries to add to that analysis. Maybe that will lead to a change in policy, maybe it will just affirm it. If a change is deemed to be worth it in the long run, the transition period would be difficult.
Wasn't chickenpox one of the gelding diseases, just like measles? Serves those Antivaxxers well.
Sure, serves them, but what about the vaccinated people who were infected because of them?
My vaccination for chickenpox was being forced to hang out with kids that had chickenpox so I, too, would get chickenpox.
Shit sucked. I still have scars on my arms from that shit.
Meanwhile I got vaccinated and one day I went to one of those "chickenpox sharing parties" and all the kids got it except for me, so the vaccine definitely works lol
Thankfully those who got the vaccine are mostly protected. Sadly it's always the children who suffer from their shitty parents. Looking at it optimistically, this is a small part of the population.
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Humanity: through cooperation and science we have destroyed a problem. The foe that held dominance over us is dead at our feet.
Also Humanity: let's find a way to bring back that problem for reasons that are not clear to us.
Shocking finding! /s
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Fuck antivaxxers, unless there's a demonstrated prior allergic reaction these fuckers should pay an extra tax just for being alive.
I don't think that avoiding vaccines is a very good idea, but I only really care about it to the extent that it's a risk to other people.
With COVID-19, there's a major risk in that a dangerous disease is rapidly spreading and there's a major concern that hospitals may get overwhelmed, leading to death rates spiking. Not being vaccinated was a serious risk to other people.
In this case, according to the article, only 1.4% of the people involved had been fully-vaccinated. Even if every single case was a result of an infection from someone who wasn't vaccinated, virtually all of the people who are being hurt are either not vaccinated or only partially-vaccinated. There is no risk of hospitals being overwhelmed.
It's not zero-impact on other people, but that impact is pretty limited in this case.
In general, my take is that people should be entitled to a warning, but if they still want to do something to themselves that is a really bad idea and the impact is pretty much on them, well...
It's almost always a risk to other people. I can't think of a vaccine that is for a non-communicable disease. Not getting vaccinated means you can become a carrier or get sick and spread the illness. This means that herd immunity is lowered and people who can't get the vaccine, or those who did but whose bodies didn't adapt to it, are vulnerable to that person spreading it. Not getting vaccinated can mean you are liable (not legally) for other people's deaths!
A chickenpox infection lingers in the body and can surface years later as shingles, which can be debilitating, especially for older adults. Having personally had shingles as a teenager when it's not dangerous, I can assure you that you don't want to get it because someone else refused to get vaccinated. When I had it, vaccines for chickenpox and shingles didn't exist yet.
I can't really endorse literally forcing vaccinations, but penalties for not being vaccinated are ok in my book.
Wait, do you think chickenpox isn't contagious?
This literally is the status quo.
The problem is that the impact is not only on them. There are people who are immunocompromised, particularly the elderly and cancer patients undergoing chemo, and children too young to get various vaccines, and they rely on herd immunity to avoid getting these diseases that might kill them or get them seriously ill or complicate their medical situation. So it's specifically societies most vulnerable populations that are harmed, which is bad, not to mention the possibility that with enough spread the viruses could mutate and get around vaccines which would threaten everyone else.
And then you have to weigh those real harms against...what, exactly? People just...don't want to? Because of their incorrect belief that the vaccines are more harmful than helpful?
The government exists to handle externalities like contagion and pollution and caring for vulnerable groups. Arguably, we should be a lot harsher on requiring vaccinations, like how we were on polio. But we aren't.
Cletus, you can say "fuck" on the Internet. Then again, I'm inclined to believe that given your lack of punctuation or correct spelling throughout your entire post, that maybe you think it's actually spelled "fuk".
And God damn do I love the hypocrisy on "believing the narrative". Sure, we listen to the advice of the medical community, but at least I'm not taking my medical advice from a bunch of 4chan incels and facebook-addicted, soccer moms. The "narrative" lmfao, bro your entire narrative was spoonfed to you by the internet you bottom feeder.
What next mate? You wanna harp on about how vaccines are making people magnetic or the evil 5G?
It's a proven technology. Did you think Polio and Measles just went away on their own? When the polio vaccine became a thing, people lined up around the street to take them because they had firsthand experience with how debilitating these diseases are. It's quite literally miracle technology.
People who are against vaccination have been used by con artists who will say anything inflammatory to gain notoriety and money and be on talk shows and sell books. Be mad at the people who fleeced you.
Now these diseases that have no place in modern society are making a comeback because of it.
You are a complete ducking wackadoo.
An anti-vaxxer? In my Lemmy?
It's more likely than you think.
I really typically don't wish harm on anyone but part of me would just wish you'd get Polio because then you'd get what you deserve. You would then finally see why people vaccinate, though you're probably dumb enough to even then, while you're in an iron lung, talk about how it's all the governments fault because you know everything that Facebook taught you!
You are so facepalmingly dumb... I know that's not an argument is but seriously, the stupid hurts. Literally, here, as millions have died rather gruesome deaths because they believed the same stupid bullshit you believe in, and here you are regurgitating the same slogans.
Yeah, you are the type of mentally (and morally) deficient person who should just be forcibly be vaccinated. Don't like it? Get fined, get jailed, and the get vaccinated anyway against your will. I don't care at this point.
"But muh rights?!?!??" F¥°¢k your rights. You do NOT have the right to risk the lives of others, which right now you do.
"But evil guvermunt!!!!" Welcome to the real world where this has shit to do with governments, this is about medical science. A virus doesn't give a crap about your opinions about your government. Also: Can you get it in your wooden head that the US is NOT the only country in the world? There are hundreds of other countries.
Your lack of scientific knowledge is NOT an excuse, your conspiracy brain is no excuse either.