Hacked data reveals which US gun sellers are behind Mexican cartel violence

You might be wondering why this information isn't public already. Republicans passed a law to keep this information private. Yes, they're protecting the identity of criminals selling guns to cartels.

Fucking vote

But I was told to be angry at the brown people
- I'm sure they'll find the darkest person in the c-suite to use as a scapegoat.
Last time I made a comment about US guns being sold to cartels I got down voted hard. A bunch of people telling me they would never buy a semi automatic when they have machine guns.
Some stuff just seems like it's designed for cartels. Like their favorite handgun: El Presidente in 38 super
I'm voting to stop elites from disarming the proletariat
- You mean against the "take the guns first" and "blue lives matter" party, right? You're against authoritarians being able to take guns and being able to freely murder citizens who did nothing other than possess a firearm, right?
- Why would they bother to disarm you? They make billions of dollars a year selling you guns and you're no threat to them at all, physically or politically.
- I suggest helping implement Approval Voting and then Sequential Proportional Approval Voting so we can ditch the two party system and have more than one party that supports citizens protecting themselves without having to paradoxically supporting a bunch of policies that target citizens for harmless behavior.
- so Republican, got it.
- Ok but what if the proletariat are stupid and have bad taste?
It's kept private because it would reveal most the guns passed through the government before getting to the cartels.
- If that is the case it's still a bad law that we should work on repealing....
Republicans passed a law to keep this information private.
They passed a law requiring the Mexican Government to keep it private? Fascinating...tell me more!
- Per the linked article.
  "Gun trace data is kept out of public view by a rider to a Congressional bill known as the “Tiahrt Amendment,” passed in 2003 to shield gun shops from scrutiny. Each year, the ATF provides a count of the guns recovered in Mexico that had been bought in the U.S., with no further details."
  Nothing to do with the Mexican govt. The US govt passed a law in 2003 to prevent gun sale data from being public record. This includes sales of firearms eventually used in armed conflicts in Mexico.
- You should really make a token effort to read the article before trying to be a smug fuck about it.
Yeah, its time for democrats to protect the identity of criminals selling guns to cartels.
Fucking vote
- What

"Texan Craig Adlong. He pleaded guilty in 2020 for lying on firearm transaction forms, saying the guns were for his personal use. He purchased 95 semi-automatic rifles at Guns Unlimited in Katy, Texas, making seven visits over two months.

Sixty-six of those firearms were recovered in Mexico, according to the leak."

How many is too many "for personal use"?

95 guns of the same type is CLEARLY not for personal use. 13 guns per visit x 7 visits? No questions?

I can see buying multiple guns in different form factors, because they're a tool like anything else, and you need the right size tool for the job.

But if you're out buying 95 #0 Phillips screwdrivers, that's not "for personal use".

ATF says multiple sales of rifles must be reported. A "multiple sale" is defined as "when a licensed dealer or pawnbroker sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, more than one semiautomatic rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber) to an unlicensed person."
95 rifles in seven visits obviously qualifies. These absolutely should have been reported.
- Hey, TIL! But I've never bought more than one semi-automatic rifle at a time so that tracks!
  Have you seen the way gun makers are getting around that restriction now?
  The new hotness is LEVER ACTION AR-15s:
  https://www.offgridweb.com/gear/new-bond-arms-lever-action-ar-15/
  https://fightlite.com/hlr-556bpm
Excuse me, but do not crush my dream of diving into a pit filled with #0 Phillips screwdrivers.
Hey, that isn't too far from me! I'm absolutely SHOCKED.
Best use case I can tgink of for multiple copies of the same gun is torture tests? Or something similar where the gun is not expected to be functional afterwards. And even then >~5 is kind of excessive.
- I could see that. Multiples of the same gun so you could, I dunno, test one in a salt water environment, freshwater rainforest, desert, arctic, and control.
  But 95? Yeah, no.
I can see buying multiple guns in different form factors, because they’re a tool like anything else, and you need the right size tool for the job.
As you need proper training on each individual gun i find it hard to believe that there is any person who reasonably needs more than 5 or 6 firearms and that includes sports, hunting and self defense
- You don’t need proper training in every one, you need to be trained in pistols, rifles, and shotguns, and honestly you could probably just do long guns and hand guns, but I just feel like people should really be trained in all 3.
  There are just too many differences between hunting rifles and shotguns.
  I’m not even going to touch “self defense” rifles like an AR-15 because unless you live out in the sticks you will just be endangering your neighbors with how far they travel.
- Well, rifles are rifles and pistols are pistols. The skill set downgrades pretty easy, upgrading not so much.
  After shooting my .45-70 Government, a .22 pea shooter is no big deal, going the OTHER way though...

capitalism enabling the cartels causing the drug war to happen?

Who would've guessed.

Drug cartels are black market capitalists.
- capitalism is just a legal version of a black market, so yeah pretty much.

From 2006-2011 agents in Arizona stood down as straw purchasers illegally bought 2,000 guns at shops, intending to use the information to track trafficking patterns and arrest the kingpins. However, agents didn’t deliver the high-level arrests – and in the process, they lost track of hundreds of guns.

This is the shit I think of when I'm paying my taxes.

This shit is why 2A Advocates were so pissed off about Operation Fast & Furious and wouldn't shut up about it for years. The BATFE forced the gun shops involved to sell the weapons even when they didn't want to!
Seriously, the whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish and when the manure caught fire everyone involved from the Field Agents through AG Eric Holder lied their assess off about it.

Most Texans are not cool with other Texans destroying Mexico for 30 pieces of silver.

Ok Texas. Do something.

“People are saying”™ that Liberals are behind it.

“I respect that the U.S. government wants this shielded, but it’s frustrating that the information isn’t public,” said Celorio, who is leading his country’s lawsuit against American gun manufacturers and five Arizona gun shops. “I think the average American would be surprised that the fentanyl crisis is nurtured because of the number of firearms going to Mexico to empower the cartels.”

Jfc. :(

Shipping powders back and forth
Black goes south and white comes north

This illustrates perfectly the need to be able to sue gun manufacturers & retailers. Until they’re hit in the pocketbook, this shit’ll never stop.

Seeing which Gun Sellers are behind Mexican Cartel Violence is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION!

There’s two sides to every tortilla and as a gun runner, I’m very upset my personal information might be involved in this hack. We need comprehensive privacy laws and real consequences for data breaches. Otherwise, these tech companies will treat this like a cost of doing business.

Didn't we know this for years?

We're a net-exporter of firearms to south of the border.

In effect, we've created a key component of the problem that inevitably feeds mass migration north to flee said crime and poverty.

Also a net exporter to north of the border
🤷

Which US weed smokers are behind cartel violence?

Not I, a Californian who grows his own cannabis.

Violence? Shouldn't this be labeled as terrorism?

- I'd say their routine targeting of journalists, celebrities, kidnapping of school children fits that definition of terrorism.
Those aren't mutually exclusive terms.

Surprised pikachu face

I thought we were over the whole "USA bad m'kay" but then shit like that turns up. It's not okay.

USA has always been bad. We aren't over that. If anything, we're just getting fucking started.

U.S. gun shops and smugglers tied to 78,000 firearms recovered south of the border

Oh shit! Wild reveal coming up!

The top 6 (see chart in the article) account for 1,102 total guns, 1.4%. 942 from Academy and Cabela's, 1.2%.

So, uh, what's the story here? That a tiny fraction of guns recovered were from 2 of America's top gun retail outlets?

This is a non-story, nothing to see here except a couple of small timers profiteering.

Nevermind that a lot of the purchases required reporting anyway since buying lots of guns does actually get the attention of law enforcement. People are acting like the US government is keeping its eyes closed.

This is exactly what I expected to read. Latin gangs keep unaligned affiliates (mostly girlfriends) as straw buyers to pass background checks. I don't see how its the sellers folault, seems like we just cant keep our migrant and gamg problem under control.

Straw purchasing isn't an issue in most countries. Buying a weapon may include background checks, psychological evaluation, safety training, being a member at a range or club for 6+ months or even military service. It doesn't end there either, with many countries requiring registration of purchased firearms with heavy fines if you're unable to produce the weapon when asked.
Luckily for cartels and criminals, Americas gun laws are dogshit. With private sales, you don't even need to pass a background check in some places. Straw purchasing isn't just viable, it's the fastest, easiest, lowest risk way to secure practically any semi-automatic weapon you want.
But no matter how serious or widespread those failures are, the pro-gun community staunchly opposes addressing them, backed by lobby groups who are keenly aware their profits would be quartered if gun regulations worked.