Biden Stands To Gain Double-Digit Political Support If Marijuana Is Rescheduled, Poll Of Likely Voters Shows
Just a moment...
If Biden ended the war on drugs it would nearly completely clench at least his party's re-election, probably swing the congress on over too.
Not to mention it's absolutely the correct decision.
For politicians, the morality and ethics around policy are more of a consolation prize.
Honestly, people being able to get tested known doses of various drugs of choice would save a lot of lives and create a lot of opportunity to intervene and help people recover. Making drugs illegal just causes miser and funds crime.
Maybe for weed, but I don’t think that would be so clear cut for other substances. Even here San Francisco, the public is only willing to go so far with decriminalizing.
I would wager that weed, and maybe certain hallucinations would be bump in the polls, but for narcotics and opioids, ending the war on that stuff would hurt him. But maybe I’m wrong.
Ending it would involve more than lel drugs are legal have fun. It would be a shift to focus on treatment, rehabilitation, and prevention by treating social deficits that tend to breed addiction, those are proven consistently effective treatments. If prohibition ever worked we wouldn't have weed, alcohol, and coke would sell completely caffeine free beverages.
I'm not necessarily against legalizing other drugs, but I would need a lot of time to research it and understand what studies have been done. There's some substances which are outright harmful and people shouldn't take, and I don't think criminalization is the solution. But, I also don't know that complete legalization is.
Off the cuff, I think I'd support decriminalized possession, but the material is still confiscated. Manufacturing however should remain illegal (other than for weed) because it's way too easy to make snake oil and impurities. I'd favor official govt meth versus making manufacturing it legal.
I can't even fathom the rationalization process going on with you folks with the fent and other substances, it really looks like a dystopian Ridley Scott shot when you look at it from the other side of the Atlantic...
Edit: I mean, we're feeling with you homie
would be bump in the polls
Yeah and Biden could really use a bump
But enough about Hunter
And lose the +Police demographic. Imagine how many other demographic groups that spans. Not to mention, the voters who would go for that are in most part disenfranchised and can't vote due to prior convictions. Which is a human rights scandal in itself, but that is neither here nor there. Except it is there.
I'll bet good money that if he tries it it'll be closer to August
Because you fucking know it's gonna get challenged and that the Supreme Court is gonna be all brow furrowey trying to invent a reason why it's unconstitutional to not pursue a drug policy based in exactly zero medical science.
At least if it's near the election the topic will still be fresh by the time SCOTUS chooses that laws are for binding Democrats and protecting Republicans.
It would be extremely hard to argue that, but given the three clowns trump appointed who knows.
SCOTUS is extremely unpopular. If they tell Biden to throw more people in jail and he replies with a very public, "get fucked you corrupt prison lobby shills" his poll number would go up even higher.
I wonder if marijuana news paper dot com has any bias slant towards marijuana
Lake Research Partners conducted the study, not the marijuana blog.
This made me lol. Thanks
"Breaking News: Polls show that if Biden were better, more people would like him."
Deep cuts by @themeatbridge
Shocked Pikachu face
Oh they’re going to put this carrot in front of us again?
"Biden stands to gain approval if he does incredibly obvious thing that people approve of."
So he's not gonna do it then? Great.
Next he will promise to close gitmo and support unions!
JUST STOP FUNDING THE ISRAEL CONFLICT.
Congress controls the purse.
C'mon Dank Brandon!
Dank Brandon
His campaign promise 7 days before the election...
“As president, I’ll work to reform the criminal justice system, improve community policing, decriminalize marijuana, and automatically expunge all prior marijuana convictions.”
Let's hope he keeps it up!
Ah yes, because it's not about doing what is right, it's about political gain. Fuck america so so much.
In theory the two are supposed to be aligned. Political will is supposed to go up when the politicians do what's right and down when they do wrong. That's what is going on here but I agree that they aren't usually aligned.
Voters don't reward doing the right thing at the wrong time.
Most Americans support progressive policies: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html
Who is defining the "wrong time" here?
That's kind of inevitable, and not such a bad thing. The president is one person. One person shouldn't be deciding what is right arbitrarily. For the president to be looking at what the people want, that's a good thing. Now, our democratic systems are deeply flawed, so that "what the people want" and "what improves electoral chances" are not as closely tied as they should be, but that's another matter.
Yeah it's basically baked into the system. Politicians will be politicians and there are other checks and balances like the vote that are supposed to keep them reigned in. Not excusing bad behavior on the part of politicans, but as voters we could excercise more control over them if we were more educated and organized. There are too many crappy politicians that aren't afraid for their jobs.
This is obviously simplifying and ignores other urgent problems like gerrymandering, vote suppression, and money in politics.
It's not even what's right in full. Rescheduling helps get us towards legalization someday but rescheduling probably also means people are still going to be sitting in jail for possession until well after 2028.
Why not both, though. Plus not letting Trump be the president (which happens through political gain) is doing what is right.
Could legal weed save America from becoming a fascist dystopia under Trump? Headline of the century.
People are funny.
Biden will probably get this done. He said he was going to, seems like the administrative steps to do so are happening.
But here's what will happen: the Supreme Court is getting ready to shred another longstanding precedent known as the Chevron Doctrine. Without Chevron, any federal court will be able to enjoin any action of any federal agency just by saying that the agency's interpretation of the statute, even though it's reasonable, isn't what Congress really intended. In other words, agencies will no longer be able to regulate much of anything because corporations will just file a lawsuit in some backwards ass federal court district and the judge's interpretation of the statute will carry more weight than the agency that administers the statute.
That's the Republican plan, here. They give half a shit about DEA administrative scheduling, they can't wait to destroy the FCC, SEC, IRS, EPA, FTC, FEC, etc. If the DEA reschedules cannabis, and the Republicans cannot lock up enough black and brown people, they will judge shop until they find one to say doing so isn't what Congress intended with cannabis prohibition statutes, and enjoin the rescheduling.
You know, without Chevron, it won't matter what the DEA thinks and there will no longer be a schedule... Just like our stoner founding fathers intended!!
Ok but really you're saying like all this destruction is necessarily bad because all government is necessarily good. These agencies all have legislated remits that will largely be unaffected. DEA and ATF will hurt the most which I'm okay with. FTC will be hurt in a bad way, and I'm pretty sure in fixing one congress will grant more power to themselves and these agencies anyway, so with or without Chevron we're fucked.
Nah you clearly have no idea how many things these agencies do that keep you safe every day. You will be way more fucked without them.
Yeah, people like weed way more than they like Biden.
To be fair Biden didn't help me relax last Friday or inspire my p&j + BLT with hot sauce club sandwich idea. Parent pending
Parent pending
Better hide the weed before they show up
They legalised cannibis in NY and now my 79 year old mother is getting high at parties. Thanks Obama.
Rescheduling is a far cry from legalizing. It really shouldn't matter that much to voters unless he legalizes.
Unfortunately the scheduling is in the way to becoming legal because it's been such a roadblock for so long.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me; “dozens of young White House staffers” freshly hired were abruptly told to quit, were suspended from their jobs, or otherwise punished “due to past marijuana use.”
The phrase, which is from Texas, but also maybe Tennessee, is actually, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
I love that W moment, because you can see on his face the realization of where that quote was going. Like it occured to him after he started speaking that he was saying "fool me" too much, and also that he was taking blame for the second part. So, he tried to abort mission and eject from the quote, but it was too late and he knew it.
"Fool me once, shame on... (wait, I just said I got fooled. That's no good. At least I'm saying it's not my fault.) shame on you. (How does the rest of it go?) Fool me... (Fuck, I just said I got fooled again. Shit shit shit, the end of this quote is "shame on me" but that's the opposite of the image I want. How can I... let's just go with...) you can't get fooled again. (Heh, nailed it.)"
I really miss the days when he was the stupidest President in living memory.
The presidential debate should be two candidates chilling and smoking a blunt
JFC, can you imagine how insufferable that would be? Biden falls asleep on the couch with a half-eaten pint of ice cream. DeSantis and Trump are debating their favorite isekai, but they're only arguing about which one has hotter girls. Vivic just keeps saying "Fuckin A" whenever Trump says anything. Haley is pouting on her phone because nobody is paying enough attention to her.
Beautiful picture you just painted lmao
Moderated by Joe Rogan
Edit: it's funny how this joke is so much worse than the one it's replying to. I guess that means I win
Joe Rogan can't moderate for shit, is very biassed and as dumb as a brick.
Even Seth Rogen would be a better option.
There's nothing moderate about Joe Rogan
I somehow think Joe Rogan fellating Donald Trump wouldn't be deemed suitable for live US television.
Nothing should ever be moderated by Broprah. Ever. Like- he shouldn’t even be allowed to moderate his own conversations.
Moderated by Cheech and fuckin Chong. Joe Rogan, gtfo.
"We're gonna build that wall and make Mexico pay for it."
"THAT'S CRAZY MAN, you ever tried DMT?
How sad that of all the reasons to support the candidate who isn't a raging fascist, this is the one people care about the most?
Like...yeah, marijuana is great, but holy shit there's a lot more important things going on in the world.
It's not just about being able to smoke weed, it's more about the disproportionate amount of minorities who get unjust prison sentences over a fucking flower. I'd say to POC it's pretty important.
I thought AOC had the POC covered?
The ven diagram of people who are cool with fascism and people who are cool with cannabis must overlap.
There's people in prison for cannabis, doing decades or even life sentences. To people effected by these laws this is an important subject. And I bet States could still keep it illegal and keep people in prison if they choose to. But I can see how it might not seem like a big deal if you think this only effects whether it can be bought it in a store or from a weed dealer.
I don't smoke weed, and probably wouldn't even if legalized, but I fully support its legalization because of the absolutely MASSIVE negative effect the war on drugs has had on minority communities.
I don't really care if people smoke it or not, I care about the people getting their lives destroyed for smoking it.
Take your pick:
White man in his 80's, likes folk dance, great conversationalist, hates gays.
White man also in his 80's, champion of birth control, proponent of extraconstitutional presidential acts, and wants to enslave black people.
Make sure to fill in the X properly, else your vote may be void:
I mean, i bet he'd be surprised how successful he could be if he actually started doing good things. Ending your ridiculous american war on everything would be a good start. So would actual health care implemented without republican consultation (otherwise known as nerfing), and really any other point on a civil democrat's agenda would be good. You know, all the things that have only been payed lip service since the 80s, like education. The debt forgiveness is a good move.
i bet he'd be surprised how successful he could be if he actually started doing good things.
Especially if they're things he promised to do 5 years ago when he was campaigning
At this point I dont expect him to do anything that's not the political equivalent of a home run served up on a tee ball tee.
Here you go bud, take a peek and see how it's going so far.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
Biden ended billions and billions of student loan debt. He announced funding for HSR projects. He began pardoning non-violent drug offences. He rolled back dangerous Trump era policies surrounding climate change. He blocked the Keystone XL pipeline. He ended the Muslim travel ban. He ended the state of emergency at the border which was created by Trump to divert federal funds to build the disastrous "wall". Like, people are funny and think that Biden hasn't done anything in 4 years.
Yea people are just falling for media propaganda or both sides again. He's done roughly a third of what he promised and a bunch more that wasn't one of his promises and still has a bunch in the works. Here's a link for proof. Roughly a third is stalled and it isn't even all his fault but the other side pushing back.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
Every politician says they will legalize weed if it gets them votes. No politician will ever actually legalize it though because then they lose one of their biggest platforms to draw voters. The single-minded boomer vote also disappears if he does legalize it.
That's what everyone thought about abortion until those maniacs did it. This would be different though since there isn't as much backlash and then they can also say they have to protect it next election.
You'd be surprised what kind of policy gets passed in an election year.
LEGALIZE IT DON'T CRITICIZE
Makes sense. It sounds like something voters would want.
What voters want. Tricky pickle.
Biden wants to reschedule and decimalize not legalize
that means state by state determination
fifty different "united" states each with differing laws and opinions such as wages, what healthcare you are allowed and how it will be funded, abortion laws, immigration laws, what substances are legal or illegal or otherwise, etcetera
if you are on the wrong side of the state line then you will have less rights then your neighboring state
to go a step further there are already cities in the US where half the city has either medical use and or recreational use and the other half is strictly illegal or a combination there of such as half medical and half medical/ recreational and yes some tax and revenue the government receives from the cannabis industry goes towards prosecution of cannabis users in illegal places
Biden is only doing this for votes and knows the average voter will not know otherwise and we the people deserve better than a sham
These kind of laws and policies lessens consumer protections regarding cannabis while bolstering corporate cannabis and muddying the water further making the dream of legalization even more of a pipe dream
JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED
Unfortunately, the President has no role in the scheduling of substances. The Supreme Court has already made it clear the president cannot do this by executive order, and Congress gave the power to schedule dugs to the DEA.
The DEA takes the recommendation from HHS. HHS basically then hands the reigns over to the FDA, who then evaluates the drug, and provides evidence to the HHS based on testing and scientific research. HHS then takes that information and creates a scheduling recommendation for the DEA.
Then, the DEA takes that recommendation, does its own research and has a public comment period, and THEN it can reschedule a drug.
Since Congress gave the president no direct role in this process, all the administration can do is appoint officials they think will be supportive of their decisions, and then make their opinions known, and act as a bit of grease to get things moving.
Descheduling is even more difficult - first because of international treaties, and second - part of the reason marijuana has not been rescheduled already is due to a lack of scientific evidence for specific things the FDA looks for. This is largely because people can't do research because of its classification... So it's a catch-22.
If the DEA rewchediles weed, this would allow for further research to be conducted which in time could allow it to be fully rescheduled.
The DEA has already signalled they are planning or at least wanting to reschedule weed to allow for further testing.
OR... Congress could pass a law removing marijuana from the controlled substances act.
Couldn't he just sign an executive order to remove it from scheduling completely?
Not at all, weed is legal in half the country and it’s ridiculous that you have federal laws hanging over your head that you have to trust to be unenforced. This is clearly something where different states have different perspectives and there’s no reason for the federal government to stand in the way.
Why is it perfectly legal to start a dispensary, yet they have problems banking? Why is it legal to use various weed derivatives in most of the state, except federal land and you can still be charged with a federal crime?
While I appreciate living in a place with more freedom, weed is not my thing and I get annoyed with the stench - I don’t have a horse in this race
Do you want a Federal government that has control over everything?
I mean, it sounds great when you agree with the Federal goverment I guess, but people should focus more on their own local and state governments.
Those governments dont make as dramatic of TV though. So where peoples votes really count the most, most people aren't paying attention.
It blows my mind that people are clamoring for a stronger federal government a mere 3 years after trump left office and demonstrated why that's a horrible idea
so you would rather be born in a random State and just hope you win the geographic lottery and have good laws? forgot just need to vote better
yes want a unified set of standards we all have to play by and not have to worry if I crossed the wrong state line would be nice
Do you want a Federal government that has control over everything?
That's mostly how it works up here in Canada. So, feel free to compare and contrast.
Biden wants to reschedule and decimalize
I dunno man, I'm in favor of decimalization... who wants to deal with fractions like eighths?
What?! Weed is popular? When did this happen.......
“Biden says he’s gonna reschedule pot! Let’s have a victory joint!”
“Wanna go vote?”
“Nah, too stoned.”
(J/k)
Simpsons did it
Guess what he won't do.
Do it!
I'm rescheduling my marijuana to 4:20 to fuel the rise of dark brandon.
I bet he is going against guns to make absolutely sure that Trump wins.
Miniature American flags for others
The guy who liberals say is always powerless is able to do something good? This must be some type of mistake.
But if he legalizes weed democrats lose the "Vote for us cause THEY'LL never legalize it (neither will we but we bat the idea around when elections come up)" which makes up half of their whole political platform of "We're not them (just real close!)"
My state turned blue and legalized 🤗
Ah, the Andrew Cuomo gambit. I'm familiar.
Not sure if you meant that to be satirical, but do you think that Biden hasn't passed good policy before?
Which is exactly why the DEA won't
Like bread and circuses except it's drugs and overseas wars ig
Where exactly is this poll? I would like to add to this statistic
The link is in this article to the poll
I thought that this was binned because too many GOP types were for it.
But then he loses the +Police vote
Does the +Police vote even care that much about marijuana anymore? I feel that marijuana won the cultural war forever ago, it's just that it takes a long time for political change to follow.
I think on deeper levels it does, because it is going to mean a drastic slash of municipal personnel currently involved with bureaucratic processes, meaning fewer jobs and less money for a whole division of government spending. What's your take?
Not like any of them would vote Democrat anyway.
How do "men" vote in the US?
A double digit bump would be, at worst, 10%. 160 million people voted in 2020, so 16 million. There are just under 1 million police sworn officers in the US, so I’m gonna take a guess that this is a worthwhile electoral trade-off for Biden.
That's his trump card, no pun. He'll play it if absolutely necessary but the card can only be played once and a future politician might need it more.
"Future politician" ... Trump turning America into a dictatorship ... ya, probably should play it now since it can't be played later. Trump's at UNO and we are debating if we should play a draw four card.
Aren't we living in the age where we do whatever we want because there is no future though?
He's gonna legalize weed and get himself a decade in office. Worked for Trudeau in Canada.
No amount of bribery with drugs can make me vote for this genocidal fascist
Wow, good job geriatric Joe.
Yes--good job for making the nationwide legalization of marijuana a possibility 🥲
Unfortunately, we can't without breaking international treaties we are party to.
I'm sure Biden will get blamed for that too.
Don't base your vote off weed.
Why not? A politician who wants to regulate something that was controlled to oppress minorities doesn’t deserve my vote. So no I won’t vote solely for weed, but it is a strong factor in my voting choice because it is symptomatic of a bigger political view.
Ok I'll base it off wasting money on a war on drugs and losing out on all that tax revenue. Fiscal responsibility.
Don’t tell people what to base their votes on.
Agreed. Base it off ending draconian drug laws designed to profit the prison industrial complex. Starting with weed.
What should i base it off then?
The rational thing like choreographed cable news debacles and small petty tribalist controversies within the news cycles
Their entire image and policies as a whole. Weigh it out and see if they balance the positives and negatives. It's never going to be all good, there's always going to be some bad.
vote 1 - The Marijuana Party
Ok, I'll base it on weed instead.
Now that's how you make good choices! Cool calm and relaxed. Level headed.
Considering I could get arrested for just using a plant that, if I don't use it, I'm in a lot of physical pain due to a nerve disorder that pharmaceuticals alone can't take care of, I think weed will be a big part of my vote.
but da zaza
I'm really worried that the liberals really are going to vote for a genuine genocide-supporter.
As opposed to the other genocide-supporter that's also a fascist racist?
Primaries and the rest of the year are for voting for and supporting the best possible candidates. Elections are for playing damage control and voting for the least worst option.
Don't let a lack of perfection be an excuse for choose Worse over Better.
Why would that worry you? What action should they take that would make you less worried?
I dont think liberals will vote for trump who israel named a settlement after
If Biden reschedules (or even better legalizes — I know this is a larger challenge legally) cannabis and takes a harder stance against Israel, I think he would win most of the key states he needs to win the election. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Arizona, and to a lesser degree Georgia will determine this election. The rest of the states are locked in. A 1% swing can mean the difference to prevent a dictatorship.
Don't underestimate domestic pro-Israel agents' ability to assassinate a US politician's political career. Lemmy is not the American media, and the latter is still largely supporting Israel's campaign.
Also, I genuinely don't think most Americans care all that much to the degree it would affect their support of Biden.
I'm struggling to think of anyone I know who is so upset about Israel they would consider throwing the country to Trump, and I know a lot of people that have very strong opinions on Israel.
It just doesn't track. If you're against Israel's actions, you're probably also not keen on fascism, racism, and authoritarianism...so logically, you're not keen on letting Trump win.
Wow that's some straight up antisemitism right there. Sorry, but there isn't some secret Jewish Cabal controlling the world.
Go outside and touch some grass, ok?
My looming thought is* we prevent a dictatorship...for now.
You mean if they were stupid enough to try nominating any of the candidates Biden beat 4 years ago? Stupid enough to gamble on a new candidate, ignoring the fact Biden already beat Trump once? Stupid enough to ignore the fact the fact that the incumbent president more often than not wins reelection?
You're right, democracy is on the line, now's the best time to fucking gamble it away.