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I prefer talking about the specific way they behave Nazi-like vs just throwing out "NAZI" as a drive-by insult. We learn nothing that way and it's not factually accurate.

The OE defines genocide as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group". Christians don't fall into the bucket of nation OR ethnic group.

I should have been more specific. Let's talk salary + perks. (official and unofficial)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting

Does this count?

Depending on scale. Is the surface of the lake flat?

Once you experience true level you will never go back.

Whenever I see posts like this, I wonder about the benchmark being set.

I don't know what OP wants... a weekly news story: "VEGAS SHOOTING STILL NOT SOLVED, NEWSPAPER EDITORS SEEK ALTERNATE HEADLINES"

DB Cooper was one of the most mysterious hijackers of all time. Still no motive, why don't we hear about it more often?

Zodiac killer, active for years on the West Coast. No known motive... why don't we hear about it? Why does no one mention it?

Jack the Ripper, killed women brutally, unsolved, no known motive. Why isn't he mentioned more often?

This line of thinking drives me crazy. Our current news ecosystem thrives off cheap clickbait and manufactured outrage. Barring some radical new information, they won't get that out of the Vegas shooting, hence it doesn't make headlines routinely.

Green, red and yellow.

I haven't said otherwise.

They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?

I'm sorry not enough people are getting killed efficiently enough for you. What do you think 'Total Victory' means for Israel here?

Which law are we talking about?

Calling them Nazis is boring and reductive. Not only is it plainly NOT true, it deprives us of the ability to speak about what they are doing that is specifically horrible. I hear white supremacists and IDF members both called Nazis but I don't think those two groups would really get along that well. Let's look at some parallels between Nazi Germany and Israel:

Authoritarian Governance - Both regimes are characterized by strong central governments with little tolerance for dissenting views, often suppressing free speech and opposition movements.

Expansionist Policies - In the case of Nazi Germany, their expansionism was marked by aggressive territorial conquest and annexation. Likewise, Israel's policies towards Palestinians have been accused of being expansionist in nature, as they continue to build settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Ethnic Cleansing and Displacement - The Holocaust was the most notorious example of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Nazis against the Jewish population. Similarly, Zionist settlers forced around 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during the 1948 war that led to Israel's creation. Today, many Palestinians are still displaced and unable to return to their homeland due to Israeli policies.

Racial Purity - During Nazi rule, racial purity became a key tenet of the Third Reich's ideology. Jews were considered racially inferior and subjected to extreme measures like mass murder in order to preserve the Aryan race. In Israel, there is a longstanding emphasis on Jewishness as a requirement for full citizenship rights, while non-Jewish citizens, especially those of Arab or Palestinian descent, face discrimination and exclusion.

Control over Media and Education - Both regimes sought to control the dissemination of information through state-controlled media and propaganda. They also manipulated education systems to inculcate nationalistic values and a particular historical narrative.

I could go on, but isn't it nice to talk specifics instead of just lobbing insulting slurs back and forth?

He just presents patriotic alternative truths.

I think the scientifically-testable-predictions/“prophecies” in the Christian bible ( some of 'em, anyways ) match the unfolding-facts, too-well.

Can we see some of these? Because that's a claim that's surfaced many, many, many times.

Why do they bother with this show?

For the same reason millions of depressed Americans will report to their local polling place to choose between two old men in a few months.

I don't care what Rick Desantis says. It's my right as an American to enjoy Soylent Green.

With regards to #1, bear in mind that those figures for Iraq are calculated over a period of fourteen years as opposed to just six months in Gaza.

Sure, but if you were to examine the causalities in Iraq, you would find a large number of them clustered towards the far beginning of the war and then a "long tail" of civilian causalities for much, much longer. "It's a genocide, but far slower" isn't of much comfort for someone who lost a loved one during the US invasion and occupation.

The equivalent in Irag would have been for US to build a wall around Baghdad and prevented any women and children from leaving while they carried out their bombing campaigns.

While there was no literal "wall around Baghdad", similar methods were used to restrict movement and curb violence.

One example is the establishment of checkpoints throughout the city. These checkpoints were used not only to monitor the flow of traffic but also to search vehicles and detain individuals suspected of terrorist activities or other crimes. This led to long waiting times and inconvenience for civilians who had to pass through them daily.

In addition, the U.S. military would often conduct cordon-and-search operations in specific areas within Baghdad and other cities. During these operations, roads leading into and out of a particular neighborhood would be closed, essentially confining residents to their homes for extended periods. These operations were aimed at capturing or eliminating insurgents believed to operate within the area, but it often resulted in civilian casualties and disrupted everyday life for those trapped inside.

Also, the steps that Israel have taken to block humanitarian aid from getting to desperate and starving people sets the behavior apart from the US in Iraq.

After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, there was an increase in the number of people needing humanitarian assistance. According to a UN report published in September 2004, the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which governed Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime, imposed restrictions on humanitarian aid deliveries, resulting in delays and reductions in supplies.

The CPA implemented strict security measures, including the requirement for prior permission before entering some areas in Iraq, and inspection of goods at checkpoints. While these regulations were intended to prevent weapons and other contraband from reaching militants or terrorists, they also negatively affected the delivery of humanitarian aid.

I believe there must be some kind of genetic component for this to be true. For example, I could have a War on Communism, where I want to destroy all communists. These communists could be any race or nationality, so I would not call this a genocide. I would say that most wars are typically between nation states, and nation states tend to have large groups of citizens with common genetics, so there is often overlap.

Like Israel's stated goal of keeping security control of Palestinian areas and beginning reconstruction?

Or it was a failed genocide? Are all genocidal attempts successful?

The sheer scale of civilian deaths.

According to reports from the Iraq Body Count project, over 190,000 civilians died as a direct or indirect result of the war. This reflects the disproportionate toll on innocent lives during military operations.

Cutting off water, electricity and aid to civilian areas.

The U.S. occupation forces in Iraq faced criticism for disrupting essential services like water supply and electricity. The New York Times reported that in the first few months after the invasion, "Iraq's power generation has fallen to less than one fifth of its prewar level." In addition, the World Food Programme (WFP) announced that "the distribution of food rations has been severely restricted due to looting and other security problems."

Indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilian areas.

In the case of indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilian areas, American forces used massive airpower against Iraq during the initial phase of the invasion. Operation Shock and Awe included thousands of bombs dropped on Baghdad within three weeks, causing widespread devastation, particularly in urban areas.

Wholesale destruction of public infrastructure.

The wholesale destruction of public infrastructure in Iraq is another parallel with the situation in Gaza. Infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, and roads suffered extensive damage during the invasion and subsequent years of conflict. For example, according to the New York Times, many Iraqi hospitals had their generators destroyed, resulting in a lack of medical care for thousands of people.

Genocidal and dehumanizing language being used by Israeli government officials specifically towards the civilian population.

During the lead-up to the Iraq War, then-U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld infamously referred to Iraqi civilians as "dead enders" – a dehumanizing term meant to refer to those who opposed the American presence. This echoes the genocidal and dehumanizing language used by Israeli government officials toward the civilian population in Gaza.