woelkchen @ woelkchen @lemmy.world

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But they’re making it look like it’s a hassle to release for Linux when in reality you can foresee and plan for this from the start, without much overhead down the line.

They have the overhead to support macOS, though:

Do you remember the days before proton?

The days before Proton are the days before Steam Linux Runtime because Proton runs on top of Steam Linux Runtime. It doesn't run on top of the host Linux libraries.

The problem with Linux ports isn't Linux, it's sloppy ports. The 1.0 Scout runtime wasn't properly containerized back in the day, so games could call host libraries. That changed with 2.0 Soldier (using Bubblewrap, the same tech used by Flatpak) but Valve made it hard to target 2.0 because game developers had to request its use from Valve. That changed with 3.0 Sniper last year.

Only the Escape Simulator developers know why they didn't switch over from "maintaining many distributions" to requesting SteamRT 2.0 Soldier years ago.

A proton update? Just use the last version.

I meant mostly game updates because developers get lulled into the belief that "Proton just works, don't need to test anything". Wine and Proton developers are not a huge team either. There is no guarantee that Proton will always work. That's even spelled out in the license. There were rare occurrences of a Proton update breaking a game. Granted, they are very rare but I had to switch to an older Proton release for a game once.

As in their “linux support” will take the form of making sure they don’t break anything on their end.

Their previous Linux support consisted of "maintaining the native build across many distros" instead of targeting only Steam Linux Runtime. Of course targeting a big number of Linux distributions is more work. Valve didn't release SLR for the lulz. It's a stable environment, based on Debian Stable.

Your dogwater arguments boil down to “it should support this specific configuration and fuck everyone else”.

No, because Steam ships Steam Linux Runtime in all configurations. Everybody with some insight in that topic knows that.

How is that different from a game being restricted to Windows?

Windows is an entirely different operating system, duh. Game updates break Proton all the time, take longer to load, on installation they execute super slow installation scripts, etc. If your so knowledgeable as you claim with your condescending tone, you'd know that.

And how exactly does that solve the issue of still dedicating significant effort to support an even smaller set of devices?

Steam Deck is the market leader in PC handhelds and 3rd parties like Lenovo adopt SteamOS.

Actually, don’t answer that.

I opt to ignore that order you're in no position to give.

Your comment is proof of your remarkable ignorance on the topic

You confirm that you have absolutely no clue about Steam Linux Runtime and how that is a more stable than an ever changing cat and mouse game of Windows updates, Proton updates, and game updates.

and anything else you have to say is a waste of everyone’s time.

Nobody forced you to reply to me. Next time, I suggest you read up on Steam Linux Runtime and Windows games braking Proton with updates.

You have no idea how much extra work it is to maintain a Linux-native version that works predictably across the entire range of Linux machine configurations.

Because in this day and age targeting a billion different configurations is stupid. Steam Linux Runtime exists to remedy exactly that.

Proton is already known to be perfectly capable of running most games as good as or even better than Windows.

And then an update comes along and breaks compatibility. News stories about this are frequent.

instead of having to implement client-side decorations for GNOME users.

• Games usually run full screen.
• SteamOS doesn't use Gnome.
• Native Linux games targeting only Steam Deck's setup are still a better experience than Windows games under Proton aren't integrated with Gnome either because Valve doesn't care about Gnome.

But it requires getting more of the team on Linux :)

Get them a Steam Deck and target only Steam Linux Runtime 3.

Who needs a video tutorial for "hit the play button in Steam"?

It was joke pointing out his history of collecting other drivers in self inflicted crashes.

The mirrors part was. The reserve driver part needed clarification which I provided.

So will they take the mirrors off the car for the reserve driver to keep it consistent?

Which reserve driver? Stroll only realized after qualifying that he has pain since six weeks. His car is out of tomorrow's GP.

Original AMR statement: https://xcancel.com/AstonMartinF1/status/1928907567234953247

It wasn’t “half the internet unusable”.

Everything behind the same AWS and Google IPs which is a lot.

I live in Russia

So you pay taxes to Putin. Good to know who actually helps funding the regime.

Telegram is not banned in Ukraine either. There also are no Ukrainian sections against the founder.

I also did not call him a fighter against the regime. You have a vivid imagination.

Russia tried blocking Telegram once but Telegram relies on AWS and Google Cloud, so the blocking attempt backfired, leading to half the internet unusable in Russia, leading to quick back paddling by the Kremlin.

Since Telegram is not banned in either country, it's the best source for unfiltered news from the front.

Intel tried with OpenAPI because ROCm was not invented here.

I‘m saying whatever the server asks the client, a client can choose to hide the UI elements. Nothing more, nothing less.

Because its competitors care about Not Invented Here instead of building common industry standards.

Grok UI elements and number of GIFs in the picker are 100% local features clients can choose to ignore.

Definitively certain and I didn’t call anyone an angel, so no idea why bring such a thing up.

Discord is just a website.

They can’t force local UI elements via server. That’s impossible to do with forks who decide against following server side requests.

Telegram founder fled Putin.