shatal @ shatal @lemmy.world

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I see.

A few days ago a group of Israelis tortured, killed and then burned the bodies of a couple Palestinians. They said that it's in revenge of the events of 7/10.

Do you also understand and perhaps even justify it?

Are you saying that the Egyptians are oppressed?

Also Hamas won the elections by a small margin, just a few percentages more than the PLO at the time. It's not like everyone in Gaza rallied behind them (at least then).

The reason that there were no elections after that is that once they won, they Putin'ed the opposition and threw all the PLO party members from the building rooftop.

I was referring to the attack on 7/10.

You framed it as a battle in an ongoing war that been going since Israel was founded.

I answered that if we want to look at the history of the Jewish Arab conflict it can be traced to the early days of Islam.

Your response to that was false propaganda.

Mate.. that's cramping 17 million Palestinians (who some hate each other as much as they hate Israelis) together with 9 million Israelis in this tiny region that can barely support the existing population, and all that without even solving any of the legal or values parts of this conflict.

I reckon it'll be an all-v-all bloodbath..

But remember you asked me, a lay person, to solve this intense geo political issue, I’m giving you my best stab at it

No, I understand and appreciate your attempt.

In this solution, do the Palestinians also get the right of return?

Assuming that it's an honest question and not just bait - at this point I would say indoctrination.

Hamas is in power in Gaza for more than 20 years.

That means that every person in Gaza under the age of 25 went to schools run by Hamas, only read books that were written or approved by Hamas, only saw television shows and movies that were made or approved by Hamas etc.

Since more than 50% of the people in Gaza are under 25, and from those that are over 25 about 50% voted for Hamas, I reckon that the current situation is that most people there only know Hamas and its ideology.

The Rwanda's Resilience solution? Are you suggesting to merge the entire region - Israel + the 4 groups of Palestinians to a single country?

Hamas has food, water, medicine ready for the civilians in Gaza, waiting in trucks sitting in Egypt

The food, water and resources are in the Hamas tunnels in Gaza, not in Egypt.

The israeli people living there today have no ancestry back to mohammedan times

I don't understand this claim. Can you explain?

You're diverting, arguing with a straw man and pushing propaganda. Everything you said can be disproved by a quick Google search.

The problem is that you're Americanising this conflict.

There are Israeli Arabs, Druze and Bedouin that lived in the region for centuries and are now happy to identify as Israeli (look online for Arab Israelis for Israel. Get out of the echo chambers). There are Jewish families that have been there since the Roman empire.

On the flip side there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that migrated to the region in the 1930's and 40's, their family names today still indicate their family origins in Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq etc.

If you really want to dive down the historical rabbit hole of the region we'll be here for hours, but trying to frame this conflict as a white colonisers vs indigenous people is historically and factually incorrect.

True.

Keep in mind that throughout this war Hamas has continued to fire rockets at Israel - more than 7,000 so far, all targeting civilian population.

I don't think Israel has any choice here.

How would you react?

That really depends on how far back in history you want to go. We can even start with Muhammad and the Jewish tribes massacres (Banu Qurayza for example).

But honestly, I don't think that that's a productive approach. This is a live, dynamic and constantly changing conflict. The things that defined it 100 or even 50 years ago are no longer relevant.

I'm not sure where the 500 trucks number comes from, but so far there are no reports about people in Gaza dying from dehydration or starvation.

I'm not disagreeing that it's tragic and that there are many innocent people, from both sides, that are getting caught in the crossfire. I do think that it's important to reflect the reality, that the situation there is more complex than "Israel bad Palestinian good"

Well, you essentially said the same thing..

Not entirely accurate - the IDF has already allowed more than 70 trucks of humanitarian aid to go through, but this article is saying something else - it says that there is enough food, water, medical supply and resources inside the prison camp.

It's just that its leaders refuse to share it.

Let me guess, you're a "from the river to the sea" supporter

You seem to forget that Hamas is the acting government of Gaza.

You seem to forget that Hamas is the acting government of Gaza.

You seem to forget how this war started.

So, regardless of what happens and what everyone is doing or not doing, it's always Israel's fault?