@FfaerieOxide So you realize something is not on Threads by the fact that it is not on Threads? On this logic, I also heard about a bearded man bringing presents on 25th of December each year.

@hedge

@FfaerieOxide that's not how the perception of the masses works, though.

@hedge

@FfaerieOxide people hate Facebook. Or Meta. They hate their policy, they hate how their services (don't) work, yet they stay there because everyone is there. If they see people that are not there, I think they are more likely to make the switch (not that will do, but more likely).

not legitimize it's use

I never said that people should use Threads to join the Fediverse. I said that people who already use Threads can be more easily convinced to join this place.

But if you think a good chunk of people will just randomly browse the web, stumble upon these weird sites called kbin.social or libranet.de and understand how they work from the get-go, then I have bad news for you.

That is, unless you just feel better staying in a cloister castle anyway.

In which case, you should understand that not anyone wants this. 🙂

@hedge @floraexplora

@FfaerieOxide I think we all have our needs and wants, out of which all need to be addressed in one way or another.

The very fact we're having this discussion is a healthy sign that it's okay to have different opinions on such topics - no matter how wrong it sounds.

There is no one-size-fits-all, despite some people like FediTips/FediFollows/FediWhatever is thinking about people.

And bad people and entities exist all the time. They existed before Facebook, they existed with Facebook (and Meta), and they will exist after Meta as well. Just check any blocklist of any okay server and you will spot them.

If you know them IRL, you can tell them IRL to get off of facebook.

This didn't work, sadly. And it doesn't work because such platforms make you think that they are the default. That nothing exists beside them or that if it does, it's either dangerous or empty. Don't you even see that the first question someone joining Mastodon is "who is also there?". This is a good opportunity to show them that someone is there...

@hedge

@FfaerieOxide huh? How is that supposed to be an analogy? You are infinitely safer interacting with a Threads user here than by actually using Threads itself. Like, I don't get it. Do you guys want to get more people on the Fediverse? Do you want to convince your friends or just turn the Fediverse into the default way of communicating with people so that if you meet a new person at a cafe or a bar to simply ask "hey, what's your fedi address?" without them giving you a weird stare and ask you what's that thing? Or are you just implying that we should just have, like, our own castle, where only we can socialize online and the other people would simply be some foreigners of some sort?

Yes, that change can happen even in time. But with a social network like Threads joining in with hundreds of millions of people you have the opportunity to show, at least to people you know, but not only, live, what it is like to get on a platform that respects your privacy, doesn't bother you with ads of any sort, have a more sane feed that you as a user can control, and still keep up with the latest stuff they care about. Threads was never and never will be about all this stuff.

Sure, they will try all their best to, e.g. rank you lower in the feed or do a Pixelfed thing on whatever. Or some people will look at you like a Linux promoter or something. But if more people in the mainstream see the Fediverse as a valid platform and not some sort of a niche thing that geeks and hackers like to use, then they'll be more likely to join.

What many of you fail to understand is that Meta joining in is an opportunity to freely advertise the Fediverse to the masses. Sure, not the whole 100 mln. or so Threads users will join, but imo, in terms of user numbers, this part of the Fediverse not owned by Meta will have a lot to gain. And when that happens, we'll have a lot more leverage if/when they do nasty stuff. Or just shut their federation for good.

And one more thing: I get those that are defederating from Meta by principle, because of how Meta behaves as a company. But defederating with Meta strictly because of the bad users there simply implies that all of those 100 mln. users are bad faith. Are you really believing that 100 mln. people in this world among of which some of your friends and family members are all transphobes, homophobes, nazis etc.? If so, then you have a pretty gloomy view of the world.

I mean, sure, many users will be problematic (as there are on many Fedi instances that one might or might not have blocked) which would need the ban hammer a lot. Probably even temporary defederation untill the situation gets resolved.

But I like to think that these people are a minority in this whole world. 🙂
@hedge @floraexplora

NOBODY EXPECTS THE ITEM IN THE BAGGING AREA

@floraexplora that's why you have to get as many people here before the last e phase ;)

@hedge I dislike Facebook, so that's why I am here. But if the only way to stay in touch with people I know irl is on Threads, so be it. Either my server federates with Threads, or there's one more Threads user in this world.

Well, at least that's what many people would choose, imo. On the flip side, if Facebook itself would be federated and my server would federate with it, I would simply delete my Facebook account. Period.

I get that Meta is an outrageous organization, but people seem to forget the purpose of these platforms altogether - which is communication. And communications happen when other people use the same platform as well. And okay, let's say I have a managed Fedi server (which is the most hassle-free option of self-hosting, leaving money and legal stuff aside). What am I gonna do if, e.g. I get a Tinder match and the girl is asking me for my Facebook or Insta? Should I say something like "hey, I don't have either, but make an account on this random-ass website where only a few hundred people are there as well, and you don't know anyone of them personally"?

If people want to get people to leave the Meta platforms for Fedi and whatnot, then federating with Threads and educating people this way would actually be a better option imo.

no

Will they keep producing phones under the Nokia brand in the foreseeable future?

@kate you might need to save it again as the current version contains important bugfixes and better security features.

@Whatnameisallowed

@Monument this guy planes!

@wdx

@cerement indeed, those were some quick and dirty solutions that fixed the housing problem quickly. Yet they raised some whole different sets of issues that we're only now dealing with 😁

@Blaze I kept my last phone for about 5 years, and it was still quite usable when I left it. But I just lacked space, and I had to be picky even about the apps I needed. Now I plan on keeping the one I have until I no longer receive updates.

Sprawl Repair Manual

Wow. That's an interesting guide.

I'm technically not a westerner (I live in Bucharest, Romania, a neighborhood called Drumul Taberei - look it up). I, too, was really excited when I saw the video and I thought that living in a neighborhood like this would be the best choice for me in the long run. Indeed, I am quite happy with the place I live. Space-wise, my apartment is decent, and I have great connections to the rest of the city via public transit (tram, metro, buses, trolleybuses). I have many amenities nearby, such as a shopping mall (yes, an actual shopping mall that I can walk to), a few supermarkets, countless stores, some specialized, even a library.

The municipality also seems to address some of the issues in my neighborhood, with some more recent commercial infill developments that allow you to travel less to, and some new alleys for pedestrians through empty green space (If you guys are interested, I might post some photos about that transformation). There are still no bike paths, but some rudimentary bike parking is being built.

However, I sometimes feel like both the American model of development and the Soviet model with microdistricts and the likes are just the wrong way of development. Like, they are both the results of centuries of industrial and technological evolution. But both just, somehow, lack that "vibe" of the city that the old city centers have. They are places where you can live - i.e. where you have a home, and you sleep, but if you're not a resident, you just feel you don't belong there. They're just both so bland and indistinguishable from one another, while lacking in personality. I think we should get more cues from how cities were build previously, before the impact of people such as Le Corbusier over how we built things, in order to build more coherent and connected cities. 😁

Top of my mind comes this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rH5ZiKV2U

I don't know

@hedge Lemmy does not allow you to follow personal accounts. But you can have an account on Friendica or Kbin where you can, as both also have a decent view over Lemmy threads.

@hedge They're pretty active here as well.

CC: @Tutanota

@BarryZuckerkorn that is true. After all, the internet was designed as a tool for communication, so you do need to have your information public to a certain degree. But you also want to have confidentiality, so that your message only gets to your desired audience. That's the bigger problem that all these platforms have.

Imagine the level of information about us all the historians of the future will have available tho. 😁

I, for one, don't know how even a certain level of privacy can be achieved in the Fediverse. ActivityPub tries to solve the issue by controlling the access from the get-go, as far as I can see: you compose a post, then set it's visibility to whatever you like before sending the post. Then that privacy setting gets preserved in the original post. That's it. You cannot modify it. But if the post is not sent to a certain server, then it doesn't need to be deleted.

Diaspora, from what I've heard, takes a different approach: the top-level poster owns the thread, so if there is some issue with trolls hijacking your posts or whatnot, you can simply delete their comments. Yet I don't know what happens when you delete your top-level post. Will the deletion federate? Are other pods only having access to your post or copying it over?

On Friendica you can activate a setting to disallow anonymous access to your account. That means you can still see what goes to other servers (i.e. try accessing my profile from Beehaw), but when you try to access my profile from the server I am on, you get a Restricted access screen. As I am not a public person, I decided this is a better way to keep my profile a bit more private. One could theoretically still compile all the posts I've sent to all the other servers since I joined, but that's it.

Meta could have probably done a similar thing here.