osarusan @ osarusan @kbin.social

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What a weird take. You're not rewarding anybody. You're choosing who will be the next president. You're making a choice that will affect you and millions of other people.

I said previously I expect people to vote intelligently. You seem to be implying that allowing Trump to win just to spite the Democratic party for choosing Biden is somehow a rational choice.

You brought up blind arrogance.

Imagine being so blind that you fail to see that the outcome of a Trump victory would be devastatingly worse for yourself and for the world. That you'd be supporting an outcome that leads to more and worse genocide, despite that being a "single issue" for you. That's blind.

Imagine being so arrogant that you'd choose the path that leads to more genocide and greater global suffering, despite genocide apparently being a "single issue" for you, simply to punish a political party made up of millions of people because they didn't field the candidate you wanted them to. You said yourself: "The Democrats have a membership of millions." Yet you are the one stamping your feet and threatening that if they choose Biden, you're going to vote against him just to spite them. And help bring about more genocide, despite that apparently being important to you. That's arrogance.

You don't have to like Biden, you just have to prefer the outcome of a Biden victory over the outcome of a Trump victory. It's akin to choosing between lima beans or rusty nails for everyone's dinner. You don't have to like lima beans, but if you are so arrogant to choose the rusty nails for everybody because you don't want lima beans, you're blind to how you will hurt others and yourself.

I'm sorry man, but you need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.

To be faced with two evils and to not choose the lesser one is crazy. Why would you ever not prefer the lesser evil!?

Again, that's just saying someone better than Biden would be better. I'm not sure who you're trying to convince that wouldn't agree with you.

I expect people to vote intelligently based on the outcome they want. If there's 2 outcomes and they don't want outcome A, they should vote for B. Complaining that B isn't sparkly and written in glitter doesn't change the fact that they don't want outcome A more.

I don't know who's selling this line you think is being sold. I'll happily vote for a better Democrat than Biden. And I don't know of anybody who is so enamored with Biden that they'd throw a temper tantrum if he wasn't the nominee. I actually don't know what you're arguing here other than saying "a better person than Biden would be better." Which is true, but it's just a tautology.

Wow. That's not what I said at all. You quoted me and you still got what I said wrong.

Something something sincerely held beliefs.

Ah ok! Whoosh! Thanks for explaining that.

Yes, it does look like some kind of juice drink!

Is this... homeopathic cleaner? So like... just water? I notice they didn't dilute the dye for some reason. I wonder why homeopathic theories don't seem to work on color and scent additives....

It utterly boggles the mind that it's legal to sell homeopathic products. The word scam comes to mind, but it's so much worse than that because it's a scam that doesn't merely do nothing; it actually causes harm by confusing people and causing general distrust of actual treatments.

Labeling doesn't help either. Apparently the FTC understands the general public is dumb enough that we need "don't drink this" labels on bleach, but they credit them with being able to see through the confusing mumbo-jumbo that homeopathic products put on their labels to disguise the fact that it's just water.

It's very much a global thing. It's happening all over the planet, in various EU countries, in South America, across Asia. Even Canada is seeing a sharp rise in right wing extremism. Trump-like politicians are being elected in many places, and extreme right parties are gaining seats in parliaments, and racist, sexist, intolerant civilians are becoming more and more vocal and violent in every corner of the world.

It's obvious you didn't understand the conversation then, because I didn't say that at all, nor am I a centrist. So let's hold off on the accusations of batshit ignorance, yeah?

Like I said to the troll poster above: if you're interested in engaging honestly, let's do this. Otherwise...

They might be doing that... but not possible? Come on dude. That's just a failure of imagination. There are plenty of legal ways to corrupt the government. Lobbying is the most common one, and very legal. Insisting that they're committing crimes without any evidence of it is just silly.

Their post was a complete non sequitur. And since they deleted their post and had half their other posts in this thread removed by the mods, they clearly weren't here to have a discussion. It's a weird thing for you to defend.

I don't disagree with your assessment of Biden, but you're saying this like he's not the better choice of the two. Everything you accuse him of is amplified by entire magnitudes with anyone in the GOP.

And let's be real here, Israel has been a central pillar of US policy for generations. There are one or two high-ranking politicians in the entire government who don't support Israel, but they have zero chance of becoming president. Biden is being chosen not because of one belief or another, it's because of his track record and his experience. He is capable of one of the most important jobs of the office, which is working with the rest of the government, even the people who hate you, to get shit done.

Do you have the actual list that shows this is part of their current "list of demands"?

I realize that was part of the Hamas charter, but that's a different beast than what sounds like their current list of demands. This would be an example of a ludicrous demand that is just for show rather than a serious negotiation.

???

That's not what I said at all.

Did you reply to the wrong person?

copyright law is never used by the small artists to protect their work

Tell me you're not an artist without telling me you're not an artist.

My friend, this is precisely the kind of thing I was alluding to in my previous post when I said "regurgitated by people who have clearly never created anything in their life." I promise you that as an artist I have used copyright law to protect my work, and so has just about every artist I know. I don't even know what you're imagining to make you say something so patently false.

You're right; incompetent is a stretch. Some of them probably are, but others are just... I don't know, out of touch with reality? And others are probably there knowing they will lose, but showing up anyway just to make their presence known for one reason or another, whether naive idealism, or cynical attention-grabbing.

I'd love to kick both Trump and Biden to the curb, truly. Well, a little farther than the curb for Trump. But the only way to do that is to change the way the system works. There is no scenario where a) it is realistically possible to elect a 3rd party candidate, and b) a 3rd party candidate, if elected, would have the ability to make any meaningful change to the system.

Remember, we're talking about changing election law here. And who is responsible for changing laws? Not the president. It's the legislature.

If we want something like a viable Green Party or Libertarian Party or whatever, we need to focus on the legislature, not the presidency. If we want to eliminate FTTP winner-take-all elections for the presidency, we need to focus on the legislature, not the presidency.

And believe me, I do want all of that. Which is why the puritanical grandstanding about protest votes by people who don't seem to understand the fundamental rules of US government is so painfully frustrating. If people were half as passionate about actual politics as they are about arguing badly about politics on lemmy, change would be possible. Instead, they are bamboozled time and time again, like clockwork, every four years by political insiders who feed them the notion that a protest vote that help the worst possible candidate is the most meaningful action they can take.

That would just result in corporations like Disney ripping off independent artists.

Fucking thank you.

The whole "copyrights should be abolished" trope is regurgitated by people who have clearly never created anything in their life. For artists, musicians, and other content creators, copyright is vital to our lives.

If you think Disney is powerful now, imagine what Disney would be like if no other creators had any legal protection at all.

illegally

The problem is that they're doing it legally.