Considering that Taiwan has been de facto an independent country for a long time, its easy to see why "forever maintaining the status quo" is the best choice for most people.
Declaring independence from China when they are already functionally independent from China would just be kicking a hornet's nest. The outcome of a war with China would end in either a bloody defeat in which their country would be leveled and their freedoms taken away, or a bloody victory resulting in... the current status quo, just with lots of dead people.
So why would your average citizen desire anything but the status quo? They're already a free country, this question is just asking them if they'd like a war for the fun of it, or their freedoms taken away.
Why the fuck do people let Trump get away with shit that no ordinary person would get away with.
Imagine if we used this same bullshit logic for ordinary people.
"Murderers shouldn't be stopped by police. We should defeat them in polls."
"Car thieves shouldn't be arrested. We should let the American people choose."
Fucking dumb.
And incidentally, we already did that, in 1868 when the 14th amendment was passed. So leaving it up to the polls is ignoring both the law and the will of the people.
Part of me wishes that that particular person experiences the same level of “goodwill” that they give to others. I don’t like wishing ill on people
Don't guilt yourself for wishing ill on people. Those people deserve it, and you are not being a bad person by wishing ill on those who deserve it. Society tells us it's bad to do that, but all that does is make us feel guilt and let bad people get away with it. Wish ill, and do it freely!
I agree Reddit is toxic. I’d argue reddit actually stopped being Reddit around 2016. But it’s posts like this that clog it all up and are partially why it is the way it is today.
I gotta agree with this. The toxicity in any reddit thread increases dramatically when the poster pre-emptively complains about all the toxicity they expect to receive. Whereas when you just ask straight without going into a whole speech about comment quality, you get much better replies. Particularly because it's hijacking your own thread; changing it from whatever question you wanted to ask into an analysis of the comments.
If that's the understanding of my position that you came to after this several-days-long conversation, then I'm disappointed in your complete lack of attention to everything I've said.
I thoroughly read and thought about everything you wrote. You failed to convince me, but I at least listened to your position. It's really disappointing you didn't offer the same basic courtesy, and your last comment was the same kind of non-sequitur regurgitated rhetoric that the troll posters in this thread have been using.
Peace out, man. It's a shame we couldn't have a productive discussion.
And there it is. Not voting for Biden is stamping ones feet. The sheer entitled arrogance. Jesus.
Exactly. You are stamping your feet and exhibiting sheer entitled arrogance.
Your inability to comprehend the logical outcomes of your decisions is seriously disturbing. You've been polite enough and engaged honestly with me, and I appreciate that. But I don't think we're moving in any productive direction so let's end it here.
I'll just leave you with the same words I said before: You need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.
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Considering that Taiwan has been de facto an independent country for a long time, its easy to see why "forever maintaining the status quo" is the best choice for most people.
Declaring independence from China when they are already functionally independent from China would just be kicking a hornet's nest. The outcome of a war with China would end in either a bloody defeat in which their country would be leveled and their freedoms taken away, or a bloody victory resulting in... the current status quo, just with lots of dead people.
So why would your average citizen desire anything but the status quo? They're already a free country, this question is just asking them if they'd like a war for the fun of it, or their freedoms taken away.