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I just don't buy that making fun of people going on about how they are number one is bigotry. I think calling it that is what cheapens actual bigotry. How much of what you just said was sincere and how much is just fucking around?

So you've stopped being sincere again. But we do seem to have settled on you actually were putting mocking Americans at the same level as actual bigotry. Were you just fucking around before when you took exception to that observation?

What do you base that on? Or are you just fucking around again?

I do actually stand against bigotry, I just have reasonable standards for what qualifies as bigotry. That you just made that statement reinforces my point that you are treating making fun of braggart Americans as being as heinous as actual forms of bigotry.

I think that making fun of Americans or not being fond of them in response to the decades of American exceptionalism messaging falls below the threshold of bigotry. But you seem to think that it doesn't. That's what makes it seem like you are putting that one the same level as serious issues of bigotry.

And the support of bigotry thing is still you being sincere? Cause that's in direct opposition to everything I've said so far.

Ok because before you were not being serious and it's a pretty fine line between what you say when you are just fucking around and what you say when you are being serious.

Again I can't tell if you are sincere or just fucking around again.

Ok so it's not that you don't think there is a difference you just think that difference is irrelevant and that acknowledging that difference is supporting prejudice?

So I said that knocking on Americans is not on the same level as being bigoted against Roma but you are somehow concerned that that means I don't think being bigoted against Roma is prejudice? Is that you being sincere or just fucking around again?

I didn't justify it. I explained where it comes from. You went on to be reductive in order to use what you thought was more grand rhetoric because you are weirdly defensive about Americans. I don't think you are just fucking around. I think you probably do think something along the lines of "making fun of Americans is prejudice. Being bigoted against Roma is prejudice." And then making no further distinctions. You keep trying to pull that "you should stop supporting prejudice" line which is either you being sincere or you "just fucking around" but it's hard to tell since what you think is sarcasm is dangerously close to what you seem to actually believe.

Well you introduced the childish sarcasm to this conversation so you couldn't really learn it from me.

So are you acknowledging then that you were categorizing knocking on Americans as the same as prejudice against Roma?

Or you could have been reasonable at any point.

See you are kinda doing it again. I was explaining why Americans are the focus of frustration but you want to be reductive about it and just make it all flat prejudice. That frame work puts it on equal footing with actual serious prejudices.

You kinda did though. At least that's the stance anyone reading your previous comment is going to infer.

Nah, knockin us for going on about "Murica #1" isn't on the same level as the actual prejudice against the Roma for example.

As a general rule sure but in the sense of taking a braggart down a peg, like with the resentment towards american exceptionalism, trying to raise that to the level of prejudice is too much. It could even be seen as cheapening actual issues of prejudice.