leftytighty @ leftytighty @slrpnk.net

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I see your point now and agree

the wrong groups are getting preferential treatment!!!!

just like the previous versions

Would you fear a jainist extremist?

Would you tremble before an extremist pacifist?

Different ideologies have different extremists.

I think "thought it was a great idea to hand over the power [...] to private companies" is a misrepresentation. Some moderation was better than no moderation, but obviously "the political left"would have preferred regulation rather than self regulation.

What's the point you're making? That nothing should have been done?

"Do things the way they do" like accept people's right to exist and be themselves. You're the ones enforcing things on people, your revulsion at seeing a black person isn't equal to that person's suffering under a racist system.

You entitled piece of shit.

We certainly wish you were silent

Supposing your team had won, these people would go back to only paying lip service. Better, no doubt, but not a solution. How long did fascists and racists and misogynists lay dormant in US culture before seizing control now?

You need cleansing and systemic change. People need to internalize "no one is free until everyone is free." Fascists and ethno-nationalists need to be afraid and culturally eliminated over generations.

Fascism is enabled by liberalism, and its capitalist ideology, and it's promoted by capitalists when capital is threatened. Capitalism is the underlying force here, and capitalists are behaving in exactly the same way they've done at similar points in history and as described and predicted by leftists.

Yes Democrats losing the vote sucks and we're all paying for it, globally, but their win would have been a delay at best. That doesn't mean winning votes isn't important, but it means that it can't be your one and only political action once every 4 years. It's time to get serious.

Point taken, generally speaking. However jokes aside I think this kind of thinking is more along the lines of capitalist realism, i.e. the position of the zeitgeist. The "centrist," the uninformed, and the default view. In that sense, doing your own research can go either way!

As compared to "doing your own research" to find just enough to convince yourself that you're special and have identified something nobody else has seen before like we see with anti-science people.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works helped me to conceptualize what anarchism looks like, and what other non-market economies like gift economies really mean in practice.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread.pdf really lays out the ideals of anarchism and how they compare to other communist and socialist thinking. Interestingly it's written before the Russian Revolution and predicts it in some ways.

https://youtu.be/P-Ibq-9wulQ is a bite-sized and politically neutral (Sci Show Crash Course series) description of anarchism.

I haven't read Marx as a primary source yet, but the Communist Manifesto and Capital are hugely influential works and you can find summaries of them in video form or from publicly available University readings.

If you're earlier in your academic career or not comfortable with dense reading (I don't blame you one bit, I'm the same) I've honestly found Wikipedia articles on these topics to be very informative too and they likely even exist on Simple English Wikipedia.

"Second Thought" is a socialist YouTube channel that does a good job discussing events and topics from a socialist perspective, and although it argues more along the lines of state-based socialism, I find it to be useful for challenging implicit liberal and conservative biases I had as a person growing up in Canada.

My honest advice would be to start with Wikipedia and term definitions. Really tease out where these things overlap and where they don't. Capitalists love it when we think we can't have trade or money or work without capitalism. At the end of the day Socialism is just about giving people equal control over the economy in the same way democracy is (supposed to be) about giving people equal control over laws and government. Anarchism goes further and demands even greater fairness and equality. Communism is an ideal future state essentially the same as anarchism that is a goal some have claimed to work towards via the state apparatus, but nobody has reached.

There can be authoritarian socialism or democratic socialism or anarchist socialism, we've seen all kinds at different scales and at different times, but only the worst examples are paraded around by our culture. If we judged capitalism only by its worst examples, nobody would ever want it either.

I do still encourage you to reflect on the definitions and histories of some of these ideas, capitalism vs. markets vs. money vs. trade, communism vs. socialism vs. anarchism vs. liberalism, and so forth. No longer to suggest that you're willfully ignorant, but just because even as someone who has done a lot to wrap my head around these I still have a ways to go and so maybe you do too.

Communism and socialism aren't bad words and their true meanings should be respected and communicated in these politically charged times, and we must fight disinformation that benefits the two currently ruling ideologies of neoliberalism and fascism.

I am willing to meet in the middle and leave it at that with the principle of charity in mind. My passion comes from how broken the overton window is right now and how people conflate "liberal" and "left-wing" as being one and the same. In some contexts that's true, but as someone who generally dislikes liberals just as much as the average conservative, I find it offensive.

This is made worse by how conservative and far-right people are often responding to real problems with liberalism (and I'm including capitalism as a liberal ideology) but end up in emotional and reactionary right-populist positions because of leftist erasure.

Editing to add: the above isn't meant to suggest you did that, I'd categorize it as conflating authoritarianism and communism instead, but that whole political context I'm describing applies: saying leftists are the same as fascists is erasure and ignorance at best and propaganda at worst. It enables people to think that liberals are the only alternative to fascists.

here's the kicker: you're still wrong even with your clarification.

Left wing extremists are the likes of anarchists and Black Panthers, people fighting for equality and justice for all. Authoritarianism is a different and separate axis from the social and economic axes.

Let wing extremism is self organization and community building, left wing extremism is protecting marginalized groups.

I already said I'm not here to educate you so I'll leave it at that, but clearly you're trying to give yourself a pass here. You weren't misunderstood, you're just still wrong.

Let me try to be more clear: I don't give a shit if you continue to be ignorant, there are millions of you. I don't owe you anything.

Now the choice to keep being uninformed is yours alone, but as a human being with the capacity for human reasoning I thought you might enjoy the opportunity to be less dumb.

Your choice is yours!

We're not your parents or your teacher, you have to learn the value of educating yourself.

moment of truth: does this guy double down or learn more about what the political spectrum represents

hey everyone look over here this guy gets jokes

Why do non-vegans always have to point out they're non-vegan?

This is a very Western oriented perspective. The West is in decline, yes, and currently other options aren't great, but areas like South America might flourish as Western imperialist reach withers.

We're in for hard times either way, but if you're going to use a word like "global" at least think globally.

assuming Canada is a state and not a territory like Puerto Rico