krashmo @ krashmo @lemmy.world

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What you're saying about these people should be true, but there's nothing in my experience of life in the last decade that makes me think that is more than wishful thinking.

Do you really think that would make any difference? Conservatism is about staying with the group. Despite the name, consistency has nothing to do with it. If the group leaders start saying something contradictory it just becomes the new group stance. What came before, even just yesterday, is entirely irrelevant. Those who critically evaluate individual ideas or policies are not conservatives.

lol Republicans don't give a shit about anything he's done or could do. They like Trump and there's nothing in this world that could change that.

I'm not particularly confident that a constitutional convention would end positively. You need 3/4 of state legislatures to agree to any change and Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to reach that threshold. The most realistic outcome is probably an amendment banning DEI initiatives or corporate tax rates above 10% or some shit like that.

That's what they want you to believe, that it's too hard to get to them. Luigi got Brian walking down the street. They're just people.

And they won't next time either. Stop worrying about them and focus on those who do vote.

What was just described sounds pretty fucking dumb to me. I think we're splitting hairs here

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That's the conclusion of the ridiculous point of view you're aligning yourself with. If you don't like it then stop doing that.

You can say I don't have kids as many times as you like but that doesn't make it true. You're accusing me of all sorts of things and yet you're making things up and convincing yourself that you know what the truth is. You clearly don't. If you can't tell that I'm mad at the GOP and everyone enabling this bullshit, including this cowardly woman, then you're not listening to that either. Enjoy your delusional world in which cowardice is bravery and lies are the truth.

You're right, I'm white and I can blend in with the fascists if I need to. Why should I stick my neck out to help someone else? All the cool kids are abandoning their countrymen so I better get with the times.

Yeah, we should be encouraging everyone to leave huh. That will surely help us fix things. Fuck the people saying that we should help each other fight fascism. Those guys are conservative trolls.

Do you even listen to yourself or are you so caught up in the chase for dopamine that you'll say whatever stupid shit you need to to get upvotes?

It's pretty funny that you think I don't have kids just because you can't imagine what it would be like to not be afraid all the time. If your fucked up view of things leads to the conclusion that leaving the country is "putting your money where your mouth is" in the context of fighting fascism then I hope to god you don't live anywhere near me. That's a hilariously bad take and you know it.

I have two kids but that doesn't make any difference. You don't need to have kids to understand that running away from fascists doesn't work. Being a parent doesn't change any of the facts on the ground. If anything it makes adopting my point of view more urgent.

You're making an emotional appeal to our natural instinct for survival. Well, history tells us that the longer we wait and the fewer of us stand and fight the harder it will be to win so how does your admonition to empathize with this woman help increase the chance that my kids will survive? The answer is that it doesn't. Every person that leaves makes it that much more likely that I'll have to be one of the people to die fighting fascism in America or that my kids will be casualties in that war. Instead of asking me to empathize with her why aren't you asking her to empathize with the people who can't leave? Those are the people I have empathy for. Not some privileged academic who didn't even stick around long enough to hold up a sign at a protest.

You're jumping through an awful lot of hoops to try and paint obviously cowardly behavior as something else. My question is why? I'm the one advocating that we should all fight for those of us who can't fight for themselves. This lady could fight but chose not to because she was afraid of what might happen to her and her family. Which one of those attitudes do you think is more necessary right now? Which one of us would you rather have in your local community? You may not like the blunt nature of my comments but in case you haven't noticed we're well past the point that polite conversation is part of the required solution. I certainly don't know everything but I do know that this lady isn't going to show up when shit hits the fan in your town, but someone like me might. Maybe you should spend some time thinking about that fact.

You can call me what you like but at the end of the day I'm pretty much the only one in this thread advocating for people to stand up for their neighbors. If that makes me a psycho what does opposing that viewpoint make you?

You can dress it up in whatever way you choose but leaving is running away and that's explicitly the opposite of bravery.

Frame it how you want but I'll never agree that it's unreasonable to expect citizens of a democracy to stand and fight rather than run away at the first sign of a threat to their democracy. That's cowardly behavior through and through. The people who fought and died for us to have this democracy would be ashamed of such behavior and those are the people I'm looking to for inspiration right now, not people who can't be bothered to stand beside me.

You're right, I should move to Canada and tell you guys how to do stuff that I'm too afraid to do myself. That's the most helpful thing that I could do.

If that were true you wouldn't be responding

Oh stop making excuses for cowards. I'm tired of hearing it. You guys on Lemmy are supposed to be the principled people who think about the deeper problems facing society and are willing to make some sacrifices to solve those problems and even you are stumbling all over yourselves to justify throwing your morals away in favor of a few more years living as a refugee. This country was founded on the belief that fighting tyranny was worth dying for and if you've all abandoned those ideals to the point that you're willing to run away from an 80 year old fascist and his band of hillbilly supporters then America is already dead. You might as well give up now because you clearly don't have what it takes to fight at all, much less win.