jatone @ jatone @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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tell them you're sacrificing too by voting for her! make it a team effort.

well if we start legalizing mushrooms and continue with lead free paint and environmentally perserving economies it might continue to drop! (mushrooms are a natural antidepressant people, get on the funky town ride)

yes unfortunately you're advocating for the 2nd shittest outcome. a flat harris win, when you could be advocating for a squeaker that leaves her position tenuous and her leadership within the dem party weak. please start lieing to your critters, exit polls, etc, and if possible vote against her in deep blue states.

oh god another game theory twat. lord please spare me another childish lecture. 😮‍💨

1. you're assuming my goal is influence who wins. (its not)
2. you're assuming the only outcome in play is who wins. (its not)
3. yes I've studied game theory and that professor was a dunce too.

You don't even know the game. Which you may wish to know is an important aspect of game theory. so spare me the trivialities of your intellect.

Hey its cool you support genocides! no need for the extra steps.

oh wow! a veto proof majority! its too bad biden controls the military and can just know you. not ship them. invoke leahy. etc.

biden has no one to blame but himself for gaza. go read the article of the israel/gaza timelines. there was no need for whats happening to happen. biden just had to... not ship weapons. he had all the legal cover he could have possibly wanted if his goal was to end the genocide.

It’s also not a good look for the ceasefire negotiations to be as unsuccessful as they’ve been

lol. they have not even happened. bibi has 0 interest in a ceasefire. the biden admin knows this. if they don't then we definitely need to get rid of them all.

indeed we are. but then you'll be stuck knowing you did jack shit to stop a genocide when all you had to do was lie a little bit to make her sweat it out. maybe follow through if your state can take the hit on democratic support. instead you decided your effort was better spent arguing with me and others like me instead of getting in on the game. =)

That means no action you take in the election will harm both candidates, ergo there is no way to vote against both of them.

mmmm. does it though? you think the goal is to harm one of their campaigns. its not. the goal is to do two things:

1. ensure when harris gets into office shes bloodied enough in the deep blue states to know she needs to work with bernie and ideally you know not commit a genocide.
2. ensure if trump wins that the democrats control both houses.

you can read my post history. I've been very clear on this goal. its the only reason I'm wasting my time atm doing this along with other activities the last 4 months I'd really rather not be wasting my time with. like composing emails to my critters reminding them my vote for them is at risk if the genocide continues.

What amazes me is individuals like yourself won't even put an ounce of effort into helping Palestinians. just a few hours a day, lie to a few pollsters, email your critters, maybe vote 3rd party for president if you live in a deep blue state.

If harris campaign is harmed by this, well I can hardly be blamed. I didn't chose her policy positions. I certainly wouldn't have chosen genocide as a platform. but people do weird things. like mentally contorting themselves into a pretzel to support a genocidal candidate when not doing so is much easier. I hope you manage to find your way, but I doubt it. 🤷‍♀️

its really not. ever heard of the saying: 'its the journey, not the destination?' maybe you should just try putting an ounce of effort into not supporting a genocide. even if that just means lieing to a pollster about your support for harris. make her sweat a little. maybe even at the end of the day change her position.

trust me its pretty easy. I'm doing putting that ounce in right now. emailing my critters, casting my 3rd party vote, dealing with you twits who are blinding running off a cliff for fear of trump and enabling a genocide in the process. I don't expect you to go as far I do but thats okay. I dont mind if you vote for harris. I mind that she supports genocide. I mind she doesn't support labor. I'm willing to sacrifice some of those things to avoid trump. but I'm not willing to leave her unbloodied while she supports a genocide.

We’re not responsible for harris’ genocidal positions. she is. she chose this. she can also not chose it. we’ll welcome her back to the family when she does.

is it though? would you be in such a panic over the issue if people like me were not doing what we're doing? no? would harris be suffering in the polls and struggling if not for us telling everyone exactly what we're going to do and why?

Would they have bothered trotting out bernie to 'reason with us'? you know what harris needs to do to get our votes. the question is are you so callous that you'd support a genocide instead of telling harris and the DNC to stop being shit stains? the vote are here she just needs to take them.

there isnt anything for you to fear if you reach out and embrace your arab and jewish brothers and sisters. why are you trying so had to enable a genocide when you can just.... not. you can still vote for harris in the end if you really want, I dont mind. its your vote. but couldn't you just... try? even a little bit? maybe lie to a pollster about your support, email your critters daily this week? maybe follow through and vote 3rd party or leave the president blank if you're in a 20+ blue state.

We're not responsible for harris' genocidal positions. she is. she chose this. she can also not chose it. we'll welcome her back to the family when she does.

snicker oh no! republicans impeachment! whatever will we do. it'll take them longer to run the impeachment trial than he has time left in office! rofl. OH NO! biden will be PUNISHED with.... wait for it.... removal from office. THE HORROR.

1. vacancies act has no punishment clauses. its toothless.
2. you're statements about 'failures for coal regulation' were not punishments. they were rejections of changes in policy. fun fact: enforcing leahy would not be a change in policy. its codified law.
3. presidents have been ignoring the legal law for weed for almost a decade now. why? because presidents have chosen not to enforce it.

your coal example: sigh lets talk about how they were rolled back during biden's term. Why? because biden agreed with the courts and didn't like the policies to begin with. but the courts most certainly didnt force trump to roll them back.

you really dont get how to wield executive power. 90% of it is doing what you want letting people challenge it and by the time it gets through the court you've already accomplished what you wanted. my entire point has been there is 0 negative outcome for a president to exercise flagrant violations of law. israel is a prime example of this in fact.

You're simply dense and can't see the facts through your rose tinged glasses of your belief in law and order. fucking gaza is a straight up example of this. Those who control enforcement control which laws are upheld and there is jack shit courts can do about this. trump abused the fuck out of this.

selective enforcement please read up on it. it applies here.

Enjoined. You clearly aren’t reading anything, I’m not typing any more. Consider yourself blocked, you are a waste of time.

is like your version of congressional impeachment? oh no.... whatever will I do. only reason I was responding to you was so everyone else knows what a load of nonsense your shit was.

that requires congressional approval. unrelated to harris' campaign. I'd love to see it passed. I'd love to see harris campaign on it. I doubt we'll see either.

oh dear am I embarrassed!

• legalizing weed -> state ballots.
• min wage increases -> state ballots.
• legalizing mushrooms -> state ballots.
• health care improvements -> state ballots.
• abortion -> state ballots.
• LGBT+ rights -> state ballots.

seeing a pattern here?

Great, then vote for harris' in full knowledge that you're condoning a genocide. Justify it however you wish to yourself. I dont mind, its your vote. my only goal here is to get people to stop acting like a vote 3rd party is the end of the world and hopefully change a few minds and give them a way to vote for protecting gaza without risking a trump presidency.

The current system (or voter inertia) doesn’t allow you to vote against both.

false premise.

One of them will win,

Yes.

your only decision is which one you want (or despise less).

false conclusion.

If your vote doesn’t threaten their win, then when you vote for neither you’re voting for the winner.

Man, you're a mental pretzel. please re-read your statement a few times. think really hard on what you just said. come back when you realize how that statement works both ways and is beautiful nonsense.

so you can't point a single instance. got it. sounds like your hypothetical politician was an asshole not worthy of the job.

What exact issue do you disagree with from the feckless ones? What made it so hard?

Maybe the dems should think about that going forward then and fix their platform.

And if she loses as a result? Then who are you going to blame? The Democrats who left her? the Republicans who didnt join her? Or harris for being so committed to genocide she lost to a literal fascist?

Keep in mind the longer she waits the more likely it is those historically democratic voters are lost due to early voting.

They voted against both, dont be mad your candidate was so shit she couldnt clear a 'dont genocide' hurdle from a voter. Thats not either your faults or problems its Harris' problem.