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correct. Harris will win my state regardless of my vote, hence its perfectly fine to vote with my distaste for her policies on labor and genocide. harris' problems lie in other states.

As for trump and a ceasefire. I didn't think I needed to; Unless harris literally does that one thing she has so far committed to not doing, enforcing US law on weapon shipments to countries committing war crimes, Netenyahu will continue to do what hes currently doing make any ceasefire agreement DOA making the two admins immaterially different in terms of outcomes.

in my state? it would have been left empty. you know thats an option right. you can say 'none of these'.

possibly. cruz is a little bit too nutty. might have also left the presidential ticket empty. I probably would have gone the latter route. jill was just amusing due to the harris campaign trying to get her rejected from ballots.

Oh I'm 100% aware I'll have to keep pressuring her after the election. its annoying as fuck doing the leg work for these dweebs.

Try not to tell me what my choices for president are, my ballot clearly listed them.

1. Harris / Waltz
2. Trump / Vance
3. Cornel West
4. Jill
5. Claudia

Now fun fact: my state is 30+ dem. I can vote for whoever I chose at 0 risk of trump getting those electoral votes. And I happily exercised that this election rather than vote for a candidate with is hostile to not only labor, but apparently is quite happy enabling a genocide.

Now if I was in a different state would I behave differently? absolutely. but I'm not, many people are in the same position as i am. harris lost my vote and I had 0 compelling reasons to give her a hand based on her words and deeds. She was a bad candidate in 2020, and shes a bad candidate today. try to focus on the issues that actually matter. my critters know why I handed jill the ticket.

If you want harris to win instead of trying to wow me with your inane rambling about my voting options spend your effort on getting harris to see reason before she blows it in 3 days.

yes, hence my efforts on ranked choice in my state. regardless the choices they make in the future are their choices.

the fact is the DNC ran an incredibly unpopular candidate via harris. a candidate who has decided she'd run with the albatross around her neck that is unconditional support for israel and no pro labor policies and in fact has decided to not commit to keeping the most friendly labor FTC head in a generation. thats harris' problem; A proper primary would have resolved this issues if biden has gotten out of his own way and stayed committed to his 1 term statement in 2020 (yes I know he retroactively walked it back).

atm all harris has is 'not trump' and abortion access, access that is already protected in most states that are not deep deep red. And while I'd love for them to be enshrined, its apparently may not be enough for voters in swing states. 🤷 .

I'm crossing my fingers for the swing states but given what I'm seeing doesn't look promising. its too bad everyone was too focused on attacking people for pointing out harris' weak points instead of pressuring harris and their congressional reps to switch positions. 🤷

agreed, its too bad harris is fumbling the ball on such minor issues too, like labor rights and genocide. 🤷 no one to blame but herself.

lol, says the person ignoring the literal mountains of evidence saying an abortion ballot measure will pass literally in any state. it literally passed in kansas. Now if you want such a bill elect congress critters that will pass it. harris is immaterial until that happens. for some reason I doubt trump would veto such a bill; not because he said it but because he doesn't generally care about shit unless it impacts him personally. But given congress has avoided passing such a bill in the past color me doubtful it will now. what else will they run on if not abortion and not trump? looks at harris' policies

frankly if abortion is your defining reason to vote for harris well shrug that makes you a single issue voter and I thought they were bad? but maybe I'm fairly indifferent since my state already has enshrined abortions as law and I can't solve all the worlds issues. especially the ones that are easily resolved at the ballot box.

so again, trump is an abomination, and learn to focus your efforts. harris isn't some magic solution to americas problems. I'll be over here getting ranked choice in my state.

Of course its been tried. There isnt a problem with it. Its Harris' problem to deal with. I assure you the states people should do this in are not going trump no matter what those of us in those states do. (Think cali,ny level 25+ dem leans)

I dont particularly care if dems adopt right wing stuff, i dont really want to vote for them either. In the meantime ill continue trying to build in my state.

None of the right wing things she's adopted worry me. I don't mind border policies if they're done humanely, and im generally pro gun.

Bigger problem is lack of labor reforms. Shrug but neither party adopts those minus in primaries and those are more congressional issues than a presidential platform

So you're arguing with a leftist to convince liberals that they're assholes? 😵‍💫. I mean I already knew this, but okay. Not particularly interested in discussing the million ways trump is horrible.

Im more interested in making sure harris campaign is as rough and hard as possible because her positions are absolutely atrocious and we as voters need to leverage the conditions of our local voting environments effectively by voting strategically against her without risking trump.

Never said it sent a specific message. It sends one message: you didnt get this vote. I sent the specific message weeks ago, daily for 3 weeks to harris, and my local critters. This post is to counteract the nonsense spread about voting for the lesser evil and to give people an option to opt out of supporting harris without endangering a trump win.

The message here for you is: jill stein doesn't matter. Learn to focus your efforts productively. Its easier to influence one person (harris) than it is a million (people like me).

Please reread my post in particular the 3 decisions your making atm and realize how absolutely useless your efforts will be here. Atm all you're doing is broadcasting to everyone your okay supporting a genocidal candidate.

Again if Harris loses thats her fault. Not mine, not yours. She chose how her campaign is run, what messages are delivered, etc.

Also please watch this interview. Thinking these accounts are all astroturfing is going to hurt you more than me if harris loses. My state already has legal protections for all the things people are trying to use to defend Harris' monstrous policy positions. They're not effective arguments to vote for harris in my deep blue state.

Fair enough, cary on warning remains for others. :)

Indeed we do.

Some states are proportional for pres. (Maine Nebraska)

Doesn't mean we need to hand it to her though make it hurt in deep blue states.

My favorite bit here is looking at down/up vote ratios and translating that to the upper bound on the worst case scenario for harris.

You need a few more rail forks downstream represent the groups getting protected by local governments. Which is the reality many states.

Which also allows you to make more informed decisions.

Why would ylu believe a rando on a forum post re: insider info?

See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂

We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris' campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris' position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.

Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.

So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.

1. Tell them you'll vote third party over x.
2. Follow through if you're in a deep blue state.
3. Hedge your bet by voting Democrats down ballot.
4. Always lie to pollsters about your intent for any given candidate. The less reliable polls are the better. Means your letters to your politicians are more important.

Fun fact: if jill wasnt on the ballot harris still wouldn't have received my vote. Harris losing votes has nothing to do with jill being there. Harris' struggles are purely her own fault, propaganda from Russia only works if there is a edge to grab, the only reason there is an edge to grab is because harris has decided to treat arab Americans absolutely horribly this entire campaign.

Learn to focus your energy properly: on changing Harris' mind not the voters for whom preventing a genocide is important. Trust me it'll be easier.