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Do you understand how ballots work? They have more than one position on them. Yes id pass this election if there were not a single candidate with the moral grounding to not support a genocide.

But there are two even! Makes it pretty easy. Esp since there is 0 risk of my state going trump. If only the rest of the country was as correctly grounded that harris would be the greater evil.

Get it now? Been fucking telling you dunces in every post: in my state harris is literally the greater evil choice because trump isnt even on the map when it comes to viability. Its pretty nice, and you could have it to just by withholding support for candidates who support genocide. Not supporting a genocide is kind of a prior to having empathy which, i hope i dont need to explain why, is a really good quality for a politician to have. And harris doesnt. Withholding support its key to be explicit, does not necessarily mean withholding your vote as i did. It means speaking out, as i am, engaging others. And if its safe for you to do so with holding your vote.

Mmm yes people explaining their reasoning is so horrible. :) its almost like you cant justify shit and only have pithy lesser evil nonsense to justify your support for a shit candidate. 🤷

First step to not having lesser evil candidates: dont support genocides. Wild i know. Maybe you should try it?

😂 bless your heart.

I have sympathy for your plight, but your efforts are better spent getting people in your state to pass the law than relying on Democrats nationally to do the right thing.

Harris' is not the solution (tm) to your problem. The president is not responsible for passing legislation. Stop relying on blue states and fix yours. I know it's hard.

Look how hard you are fighting against someone who generally is just trying to get the US to stop arming a genocide? Can you imagine how annoyingly stupid this feels to be discussing? Murder bad mmmmkay? Everyone else: 'its fine bigger issues to fry trump!' i suspect you can.

Now put it in perspective: if you cant get your state to support abortion what makes you think we'll get the nation to? In order to get it passed nationally you need to get the support locally.

You clearly have trauma and need help, sadly putting your hopes in kamala isnt going to solve your issues. I assure you if they havent been fixed by biden's admin they wont be fixed by her being elected. Here are the conditions you'll need to see movement:

• house will need to switch hands
• senate will need to remain blue.
• democrats will have to end the fillibuster OR get supermajority in the senate.

Guess how all of those happen? By focusing your efforts not on kamala but on your local elections.

Learn to focus your energy stop fighting me and get off your ass locally. My lesser evil is fucking voting 3rd party because kamala is a pos candidate relative to my state. she's 100% going to win here. So why are you wasting my and your time/energy you clearly gave more important shit to do.

I dunno man, i think a comedian just saved our democracy.

Man i may have to nominate him for the noble prize if Trump loses. Man may have single handedly saved the democracy.

If hes smart his come back tour will be titled 'your welcome' and it'll riff on just white people.

Oh man are you confused. For everyone else this person doesnt know how voting works.

Voting in the states is 100% anonymous across the board. The data trail stops after a person is signed in at the polls. There is zero information on a ballot to identify you.

Oi, no you have to have your name on the rolls and there is a dedicated building were you as an individual are required to cast your vote. Go the the wrong building and you wont be on the roll.

You can vote multiple times if you own homes in multiple states but:

1. Its very time consuming.
2. Its very very illegal.
3. Its very easy to catch. Since they sign you in.

generally the best way to contact antifa is to form your own group and then talk to them.

Did you just tell them to talk to themselves? 😭 I mean you weren't wrong about th first part but man....

You find antifa by being antifa. Thats its power. Suit up, show up, punch some Nazis, drop some sweet drugs, get laid.

Its a fun a group good people.

next time try not to be an asshole to people pushing for good changes and respect people have different options than you. but given your response, thats probably impossible for an asshole like yourself. bless your heart.

Hey look! you were right! I would choose neither. false dichotomy are not interesting questions. You'll learn nothing from them since you know, they don't represent reality. but in such a situation where only harris and trump were on the table. harris of course. but since that isn't the case, and my vote in no way endangers the country to trump, but does allow me to point my reps and say 'that could be my vote for you next cycle' which I absolutely have done. my 3rd party vote is providing more value for my reps to push back on harris when they need to. particularly in defense of ms khan and gaza.

I'm sorry you made an assumption about what jill stein represents to people like me who checked that box knowing full well who she is, what she represents and that it made your entire argument fall flat. 🤷

Its not my fault you don't get why harris is a shit candidate. we've been warning you for months now. thats why harris is struggling. not because of anything jill has done. I certainly didn't make the democrats try to ban jill from ballots. now she just represents a convenient protest vote. if harris loses in the next 5ish days after the ballots finish being counted, well it certainly will be unfortunate. I'm 🤞 she doesn't but we tried to get her to change her policies before it was too late.

trump isn't winning my state; can't do much more to help you there mate. I'm sorry harris is running such a shit campaign she's struggling against fucking trump.

but threats need to be backed up by action or they're toothless, just look at how netanyahu has ignored biden.

against my best interest? my best interests are in trump not winning. which is assured in my state. its not necessarily harris winning. so my best interests are in assuring there is enough pressure on harris post election and part of that is making sure my critters know votes will be lost for them in the future for israel.

mmmmmm; probably would have been shot in the war fighting against it more honestly. let me know when harris can single handedly pass abortion rights on her own that the discussion can go somewhere. as I said the fastest route to protecting access is via state legislatures. hence why what 8 states have it on the ballot this year? would I prefer it federally? sure. sadly for you all my reps already support such a position and I doubt trump would block it if the bill passed. but since such a bill won't pass congress shrug.

Its not a compelling reason by itself to vote for harris; since you know... she can't single handedly make it happen.

fair enough like i said its immaterial to the discussion. the point was some states do give up partial electors.

sounds like you think voting is a wasted effort in general. 🤷

They’re all “genocide BAD, vote 3rd party or you’re COMPLICIT!” so the message here isnt what you’re saying.

Genocide is bad, and we are complicit when we vote for harris currently. but thats because people are happy to vote for her mindlessly. not because the people trying to get her to shift are wrong.

Finally, voting 3rd party sends “a” message after the election

Oh I've been pestering my reps all year on gaza. and I continued to do so up through casting my ballot mid month in october. I'm just also able to happily follow through given the electoral makeup of my state.

Imagine you’re running and you have Greenies yelling about genocide, women’s rights yelling about bodily autonomy, and LGBTQ folks yelling about equality and all three don’t give a flying fuck about the others. What would you do? Exactly what Harris is doing - courting the biggest blocs of voters.

Well first off I'd recognize that most people are very happy not to support a genocide. and that maybe an administration with historically low approval isn't a good model for success. zionists are not the majority of jews. many are perfectly happy if we withheld aid to israel based on our laws. if I was running Id happily point out israel is in violation of american laws and as soon as they begin complying and stop murdering innocents they'll get their weapons back. So what we have here is a minority group (arabs) vs a minority of another minority group (zionists). in most states the loss of zionists wouldn't tick the needle materially.

LGBTQ+ are well justified and I'd support them; just as I'd support anyone seeking personal freedoms protections that dont infringe on others rights.

Women are more than welcome to raise the banner over bodily autonomy as well they should. the government should have not be involved in decisions made between medical professionals and patients.

I certainly wouldn't tell citizens to sit down I'm speaking, remove them from my rallies for no reason. I'd simply recognize the fact they're there for a reason and make time for them as part of the schedule as long as they're not too disruptive the rest of the evening.

You see, its fairly easy to differentiate oneself from harris' behavior. I certainly would have given arab americans a voice at the DNC for example. they asked for one slot for christ sake. would have been a lot harder to nail harris to the wall if she wasn't acting like a radical zionist on gaza.

Frankly, Trump in power means nothing for down ballot votes because he still installs a fascist regime.

it'd certainly be a problem, think maybe you can get harris to recognize her follies before its too late?

no, why would it be his cock is so tiny it doesn't obstruct my view of the screen at all. poor thing.

districts tend to be proportional but whatever, at that distinction its immaterial to the discussion.