jatone @ jatone @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Im sure if you think on it you'll eventually figure it out.

Congrats your candidate lost shrug. Whats the definition of insanity again?

that doesn't save you lol. you're being critical of the chosen DNC candidate. sit down shes talking, blue no matter who, etc.

indeed. genocide was the big bad one this year. too bad.

you should go cry it out squid. grab your friends and partake in your favorite drug you really do need an emotional release.

child child child, you can't throw the palestinian genocider label on someone who literally just said 'never'. it doesn't work like that. just like trying to tell people they're trump supporters because they don't support harris.

it. literally. does. not. work. that. way. we are not responsible for the actions others take. we are only responsible for our actions. our vote is a form of action. harris refused to commit to upholding american laws to protect palestinians and indeed promised to continue the current administrations policies. she lost those votes. she refused to commit to protecting khan, she lost our votes. trump also lost our votes.

trump's future actions are his and his voters to own not ours. the only difference between you and trump is you're a maybe genocide. whereas harris and trump are definitely genocides.

awww, this brought a tear to my eye. 😂 . thank you for composing this. can I get your number (rhetorically)?

@YeetPics@mander.xyz I'll tell you this once: If your defense of a position is to blame a group for pointing out the shittiness of your position is a psyop, propaganda, etc. You're morally, and strategically bankrupt.

No number of tankies helping could tank a candidate more thoroughly than harris tanked herself. both through genocide and not addressing the basic needs of americans.

Food (people are struggling due to inflation and the lack of labor reform), safety (arab americans family and friends are dying directly due to the biden admins actions), shelter (again people are struggling to afford a place to sleep).

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

these words literally represent the three things above. maybe you recognize them. Next time you think its okay to discard someones right to life at the alter of personal comforts recognize that you're an asshole. It doesn't matter if they're next door or across the planet.

No, two people were cartoon characters. you failed to realize one of them was harris.

Lets say you have a neighbor and every time you invite them over for tea they shit on your carpet.

Do you continue inviting them over? if your answer is no, well now you understand why a large portion of the american electorate didn't show up to vote again. the democrats need to stop shitting on our carpet. for the record we don't invite the republicans over either. they shit everywhere.

You havent sent signals strong enough to demonstrate you wouldn't shit on the carpet again. Trump, well, when he gets close to burning the house down again we'll probably show up with the firetrucks. probably. depends on how much hes threatening our local communities. if hes smart he wont

psst you don't need to remind them they're assholes that explicitly. they know. they're happy to discuss the shades of supporting a genocide and why its okay to shove the few under the bus to save the many. Never mind that saving the few would have saved more of the many in the long run.

news flash: he, like many other leftists are welcome to say whatever they want. doesnt mean we give a shit what he says. we often agree with him on things and support them. but 'bernie says blah' only gets your foot in the door for about 3 seconds until we look into what he said. if the reasoning behind it is wanting we reject it.

If you think bernie represents the left, hell if you think anyone represents the left you're sorely mistaken.

that being said: many leftists told you exactly what you needed to hear the entire year you needed to hear it.

• the genocide is not okay.
• it will impact our votes.
• a few of us have literally been screaming it for the last 2 months in the public sphere as you're all aware.

if you think we needed to shift our position. you were very sadly mistaken. both morally and strategically. as you're now witnessing. We didn't go out and pressure our friends for harris, why? because harris didn't budge and you spent more time telling us how your grand 'lesser evil' strategy was the optimal behavior, even more than tell harris to fuck off on genocide!

guess it wasnt so optimal since you know, people tuned you out and you lost. oops. You see the thing is a lot of leftists are actually very quiet. they spend their time with their friends enjoying life and as a network we signal to each other when its important to vote. we did that in 2020 for biden and we conditioned it on him having a single term.

Biden, as we expected, went counter to his promises on a number of factors. so we didn't quietly send our signals to our group. My roommate and I for example were talking last week about the election and they were like 'looks like another 4 years of trump, and I was like 'yup, gonna suck''. we both still voted. but we didn't do what we often would do and be like 'yeah harris is worth getting the gang together and disrupting our shit to get our networks of apathetic voting friend out'

why? hand waves the last 4 years and the last 6 months in particular. genocide is not a stance you shift on.

I think you're confused. we said 'not genocidal.' if that makes a candidate perfect dear fucking god how low the bar has fallen.

Because you're being intentionally dense. their personal votes are what they are talking about. These are the people who fucking showed up and voted regardless of the shit campaign.

The genocide definitely cost harris Wisconsin and Michigan. 25 points right there.

For example: My state harris won, my vote third party jill, would have in no way changed the outcome here. As I've been informing everyone for two months. But harris is missing 20 million votes biden received. Where are they?

Why did these individuals not vote for harris?

maybe because shes been gaslighting america on live tv for years during the biden admin? Over biden's mental acuity, over what was going on in gaza etc.

Maybe because she didn't put forward a single decent economic policy to counter the absolutely shit perception of the biden admin?

Maybe, just maybe, people were so disgusted with her continued support of a genocide they fucking stayed home instead of voting for a gaslighting trash heap of a campaign?

You dweebs like to crow about the electorate having short memories. but the reality is that they actually have long memories and you can't do the shit biden and harris have done and expect people to show up for you without a huge fucking carrot.

And you wouldn't even contemplate that 'hey the arabs just want us to stop murdering their friends and family. huh. maybe we should do that?'

So yes, continue thinking those like myself are at fault. I'm fine with your scorn. I don't particularly care if you dislike me. Just remember that your support for a genocide just cost you multiple election cycles in Michigan and Wisconsin. THAT community is unlikely to forget what you, biden, harris, and the DNC did to them.

Now if anyone wants resources to look into anything I've said here and are open to working towards replacing the DNC feel free to reach out. always happy to connect with people who actually give a shit.

Michigan and Wisconsin, two states representing 25 pts. If you don't look at the fucking margins in a neck and neck race, yeah you fucking lose. Harris failed to make any changes to policy throughout the campaign despite being underwater the entire fucking time.

This loss is entirely on her and the DNC.

We didn't allow anything. harris failed to win our votes. direct your ire correctly. I've been telling you this for 2 months. you're still failing at basic reasoning on how voting works.

Palestinians are dead either way unless harris committed to stopping israel. and she wouldn't. she threw out the 25 electoral points Michigian and Wisconsin represent as a result. She failed to run a campaign on policies that would win her the election.

We don't owe you dweebs anything. You repeatedly fail to realize that people won't help you when you don't help them. and the DNC hasn't done shit for the working class or the arab community and they just fucking burnt a bridge that'll likely be impossible to rebuild.

You want peoples support for ukraine, LGBT, etc? learn you need to build connections with others to get support. esp when you're pet projects are also minority groups.

And a reminder: your jews for peace work is completely ineffectual when it comes to the president/congress supplying arms to israel. most of your work has ridden on the coattails of arab groups pushing their initiatives. So while stopping the settlement funding is a grand idea; by the time you managed to do it the palestinians would have already been dead or gone.

thats okay, you just need to look at harris and the dnc for your answers. apparently streams of articles, local representatives speaking up, members of the diplomatic core speaking out and they amazing decided that 'yes, genocide is the answer to our electoral struggles'

it is definitely baffling in a tight race tossing 25 electoral points in the trash could be construed as a 'good decision for palestinians.' but here we are and thats what they did.

Now the world is going to suffer because of their hubris. enjoy. maybe next time tell your candidate to get a backbone to do the right thing and you need to grasp human nature.

go check out democracynow gaza section. maybe you can get some perspective on exactly how kamala/biden and general media have been gaslighting you. Everytime a hamas leader was murdered and harris would say 'now we can achieve a ceasefire' she was gaslighting you. a ceasefire with the release of hostages had been agreed to by hamas for months since may. Every time she said she would work towards a ceasefire, she was gaslighting you.

the palestinians were fucked no matter who won.

But harris had the option to potentially win if she was willing to:

1. throw biden under the bus policy wise.
2. commit to upholding american laws w/ respect to isreal.
3. commit to keeping kahn as head of FTC.
4. commit and campaign on actually fighting corporations.

but noooo. its the voters fault for harris being absolutely dog shit both morally and policy wise.

yeah shame that. maybe kamala should of thought about that before committing herself to a genocide joe allowed.