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You clearly didn't read my original comment.

Nothing you said negates the uncomfortable reality: If moderates and liberals refuse to compromise with leftists and progressives then fascism can't be avoided. Do you want it now or later?

Your counter argument is "Well the shitty decision is more popular so."?

There are 7.6 million Jewish Americans who still heavily lean in support of Israeli actions.

Then shame them for being shitty people. Don't shame progressives and leftists for refusing to cater to it. Your accusation that refusing to vote for Biden is support for Putin and Trump is equally damning whether Biden continues to send weapons to Israel or not. Those who would refuse to support Biden if he stopped sending weapons to Israel are just as guilty. The difference is they want to keep bombing people.

Direct your shame and finger wagging to the people who actually deserve it.

They can’t seriously be that stupid though. Can they?

They're not stupid. They're pro-corporatists. They can't prosecute Trump without harming some other rich fucks in the process. When Trump said he'd have to have a fire sale to make the bond amount that wasn't a complaint it was a threat. Commercial real estate is already being propped up by fake numbers. If Trumps properties went up for sale it would blow that whole thing up. That's why he's being protected.

Pro-corporatism has no way of addressing fascism. And the Democrats are a pro-corporate party.

Probably not. But maybe the moderate and liberal voters will finally wake the fuck up and realize they need to compromise with leftists or progressives if they want to win elections.

Everything is getting worse regardless.

Let's get it over with.

AKA The Build Back Better bill minus everything progressives and leftists fought for.

Huge win if you're a moderate or a liberal. Yet another slap in the face if you're slightly left of either.

Not yet. If he had then he would stop arming them.

Trump and Putin thank Biden for being such a dumbass that he's burning voters he's depending on to win elections.

Worse, if Biden withdraws all aid to Israel and then Israel is hit with another terrorist attack, manufactured or not, that’s the end of Biden. I think we can all agree that right-wing media propaganda is very effective and the ads would write themselves.

Just scream "vote blue no matter who" at the pro-Israel Biden supporters.

I'm sick of people not saying the quiet part out loud: If every time there is a choice between doing the things progressives and leftists want the threat of moderate and liberal voters abandoning the party then we're fucked anyway. Even if you're optimistic and say "No no, the number of progressives and leftists is growing! We just have to be patient!" Guess what happens when progressives and leftists finally start winning primaries? That's right, moderates and liberals will abandon the party.

There no point in delaying any longer. If the moderates and liberals will abandon the party if Biden stopped sending weapons to Israel then let's get it over with.

... So Democrats.

Powerful people who run the U.S. made shitty selfish decisions for decades and then are surprised the country caught an illness like Trump.

There was no way anybody was going to let him sell his properties in a fire sale with commercial real estate being in such a precarious position already.

We don’t have to accept it—that’s what primaries are for. But there are people out there who lose the primary and then they just don’t vote—that is the time people should choose the lesser of two evils.

No. They should not. Stop lecturing people who are fighting something better and start lecturing the people voting for absolute trash in the primaries.

My concern is this: Last I checked a majority of Jewish Americans are still pretty sympathetic to Israel, and the Biden administration must toe the line between pissing off Palestinian Americans and Progressives, and a large traditionally-loyal voting bloc that is Jewish Americans.

Then lecture them. Not progressives and leftists for refusing to vote for the guy shipping off bombs.

Hate to break it to you but Chinese citizens generally live better than we do. They have affordable housing, healthcare and food.

Sounds like Biden should stop sending weapons to Israel and vow to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.

Don't forget Biden negotiating down on his own campaign promise to fight for $50k forgiveness. And blocking the rail strike. And raising the defense budget. And forcing federal workers back to the office. And going around congress to deliver weapons to Israel.

But yeah they're totally trying to make things better everybody.

They are way more likely to do so than Republicans that’s for sure

Give me an example of liberals and moderates making a material compromise with leftists and progressives during Biden's term. Show me any time they have sacrificed a policy position in order to get the votes of progressives and leftists.

And by not voting you’re ensuring that positive change will have a much harder time occuring.

Liberals and moderates by not materially compromising with leftists and progressives are ensuring that positive change has and will continue to have a much harder time occurring.

Your judgement cuts both ways you know.