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I do condemn those things, but keep in mind that they were funded by Israel, who are also committing more warcrimes and killing more civilians.

Why do you work so hard to gloss over Israel's objectively far worse actions to whine about Hamas?

But Hamas... exists.

That's good enough to genocide Palestine, right guys?

So far, you've characterised support for a group that's being genocided as supporting terrorists, and made it clear you don't care about warcrimes. You've implied you care about hospitals being bombed, but that doesn't seem to apply when the bombing is done by the group bombing the majority of the hospitals.

You need to stop and ask yourself if you're backing the bad guys, my guy.

My issue is more with people supporting a genocide because Hamas exists.

Few people have a problem condemning Hamas, but when Israel is clearly killing far more civilians and bombing more hospitals than Israel, obsessing about the lesser problem (who were Israel-funded in any case) is deeply suspicious.

Maybe you meant the funding Hamas piece - here's Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s telling a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat.

The Israeli government gave me a budget, and the military government gives to the mosques.”

Unsurprisingly, Arafat also referred to Hamas as

A creature of Israel

Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades speaking to the WSJ...

Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation

That Israel is committing a genocide? Here's a parade of their political leaders saying as much...

Prime Minister Netanyahu

They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”

and

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.

and

I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals

"Defence" minister Galant

We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly

Kallner...

Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!

Atbaryan...

erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.

Halevi...

goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”

In case you don't remember your Torah, here's a refresher on the Amalekites... I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

The genocide that Israel is talking about pretty transparently as they indiscriminately bomb the shit out of civilians is a conspiracy - you got it, Jitler.

Ok so you're against Israel providing work permits to Palestinians?

I'm against apartheid states that requires people of 'undesirable' ethnicity get work permits.

And do you agree with this from the article?

Yes - Israel has done away with sporadic attacks and launched into a more rapid genocidal approach.

Imagine defending an apartheid state committing a genocide, pointing to the apartheid to say there's not apartheid, and rapid escalation in indiscriminate killing to say there's not genocide.

You still haven't explained the meaningful difference between Israel's genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate and Hitler's genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate.

You've seen the reports of the IDF killing shirtless Israeli hostages waving white flags and speaking Hebrew because they're tripping over themselves to kill as many Palestinians as possible. The IDF themselves admitted to this.

Israel funded Hamas over secular orgs (widely and credibility reported) to create the pretext for this genocide.

Where's the mental gymnastics, Jitler? While you're at it, you can explain why the far right wing, genocidal fascist ethnostatists are bad when they're Nazis, but not Israelis. Easy for me - refer to my description of both.

An apartheid state committing a genocide to create an ethnostate is acceptable self-interest? This isn't self-defence - particularly when Israel backed Hamas over the secular moderates to create the pretext for this. Netanyahu is getting Israelis killed by both Hamas and the IDF.

I agree - Israel and the Nazis are stupid and monstrous, which is why I condemn both. What's the material difference between the far-right, genocidal fascist ethnostates Israel and Nazi Germany as far as you're concerned?

Palestine isn't genociding itself, and they were led by secular moderates until Israel backed Hamas to create the pretext for the genocide they're now committing. They've been relegated to an open-air concentration camp as Israel kills orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Hamas kills Israelis. This is just far-right lunatics creating an ethnostate via genocide - like the Nazis.

The Nazis weren't about improving society - they wanted to kill multiple groups and suppress the rest. It's a deeply stupid ideology in addition to being monstrous.

Does your apparent "I think this monstrous bullshit is in my personal self-interest, so it's justified" principle extend to Hamas attacking Israel? What if I'm homeless hungry and horny - do I get to kill you, take your house, rape your wife and eat your kid? If not, why not?

Gottem.

Incredibly loaded framing aside, what's your explanation for Israel backing a Jihadist group, and helping them displace moderate, secular alternatives while consistently using genocidal language and displacing Palestinians?

Yeah - nah.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Plenty of credible news outlets are reporting that one. It's not a remotely controversial statement.

This is some Poe's zionist shit - I can't tell if you're trolling or a monster - even with that username.

Oh no ...anyway.

This must be that leftist virtue signalling I heard so much about a couple of years back.

Yikes - that's news to me. I can't say I'm shocked - especially knowing the way they were barring journalists from entry, and they obviously want to control the narrative about their genocide.

There's 2 reasons for that:

• They're attacking one of the most densely populated areas in the world
• They're committing a genocide - when they want to wipe out the entire population, journalists are going to get killed in their indiscriminate attacks.

They're far-right too, so they're a half-step from flat out executing dissenting journalists (and how are journalists in Palestine likely to be aligned?).

Maybe Israel shouldn't fund Hamas over secular orgs to manufacture the pretext for the genocide they're now committing in order to create an ethnostate.